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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 20, 2017 14:16:47 GMT
Let's wait and see. I want ME series to continue. Perhaps a shake up at BW/EA is in order, and out of that destruction something greater will emerge. I dunno... before I actually played MEA, I said: Drop the RPG side completely and just make the series a story driven action game... but now I'm not even sure BW can pull that off convincingly any longer. Maybe they should sell the IP to Laryan or Obsidian? I'd be down for an isometric 3D Mass Effect RPG.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 14:18:09 GMT
Don't forget that BioWare have been working on a mysterious IP since 2012. So I'm wondering if the task of ME:A was more of a back burner project and handed off to Montreal because most everyone else was on this secret project? And possibly the funding for ME:A was lower than it might have been. It's all speculation, since BioWare have kept this well under wraps, there's no way to really tell. Given how little info we got on ME:A over the last few months, we're not likely to get much on the new IP either over the next year. It was certainly not Bioware's top priority as far as the allocation of human resources went. For good or ill Bioware is hanging their hat on the new IP and DA, since Mass Effect was shunted off to a relatively untested studio to give the much more experienced dev team that made the first three games, the new IP.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 20, 2017 14:20:57 GMT
Read a few of the reviews and basically all of them had "Not the trilogy".
Maybe they should have ditched the Mass Effect and called it Andromeda. Apparently people can't take a hint.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 20, 2017 14:21:08 GMT
Don't forget that BioWare have been working on a mysterious IP since 2012. So I'm wondering if the task of ME:A was more of a back burner project and handed off to Montreal because most everyone else was on this secret project? And possibly the funding for ME:A was lower than it might have been. It's all speculation, since BioWare have kept this well under wraps, there's no way to really tell. Given how little info we got on ME:A over the last few months, we're not likely to get much on the new IP either over the next year. It was certainly not Bioware's top priority as far as the allocation of human resources went. For good or ill they're hanging their hat on the new IP, since Mass Effect was shunted off to a relatively untested studio to give the much more experienced dev team that made the first three games, the new IP. Besides, I'm still not convinced the new IP will be worth it for a company that was made big by RPGs, seeing as it is none... anyone remember that team coop action game they showed of a couple of years back? If that's indicative in any way of that the new IP might be like, then it surely could be lights out forever... Also: @lebanese Dude: Sorry, but without the name nobody would have even cared for the game to begin with... also, the name alone isn't what makes this game Mass Effect. They basically had to invent a complete new IP, everything short of that would still have been compared to the trilogy, no matter what they would have called.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 20, 2017 14:21:11 GMT
It's not over. But they deserve to be punished hard for this. I'm an uber-fan of the series and feel betrayed by a lot of the decisions they have made. And, yes, the lack of attractive women and men is one of my disappointments.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Mar 20, 2017 14:21:28 GMT
The fault for this is for everyone. BioWare leaving this to a team that wasn't well prepared (no guidance it seems), the exodus that occurred in the development, trying to mimicking Bethesda/TW when they don't have the resources for such or/and being too ambitious in their approach (mostly OW); not learning from past mistakes, and also too arrogant in refusing to listen to concerns of fans; EA as always.
BioWare was extremely lucky that they'd released DAI before TW3, otherwise people would mock it even more than they did/do; probably on this level. It's sad that years later and they still haven't figure this out. You can't stagnate or regret while the industry moves on.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 14:21:47 GMT
plus pretty big name departures from the studio I'd love to read an article on what went on behind the scenes during this game's development. There were a lot of warning signs that this game was having a troubled development leading up to it's release. It now makes me wonder now whether those departures were part of the normal turnover in the industry or if a rocky development just burned some people out. we might have to wait a few years for it probably
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 20, 2017 14:23:33 GMT
Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. Quoted for truth.
OP, go outside and unplug your Internet connection. Drink a lemonade tea and breathe. Jeezus.
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Post by mrfixit on Mar 20, 2017 14:24:35 GMT
Seeing the pathfinder described as captain Janeway is not cool. Its just fucking not. You know what is really not fucking cool? Having ADMIRAL Janeway issue orders to His Bald Majesty, The Best Captain that Ever Was or Will Be Jean-Luc Picard in Nemesis. Now that is a shock I will never recover from.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 20, 2017 14:29:44 GMT
Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. Dude you sound more angry than I do. I'm not freaking out, I'm just being real about the situation. And for everyone who is dismissing me, let's get a couple things straight right now. 1. I made a thread saying the game should've been delayed, people gave me shit for it, and then not long after that the jank and bugs of the game were revealed. 2. I said the game wasn't going to get an average high review score. Once again I was right on that. Now that I'm saying it's possible this could kill the series, people are giving me shit for it. I'm not apologizing for being right the last couple of times, and I certainly won't apologize for having concerns about the future of the franchise.
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Post by Eshaye on Mar 20, 2017 14:30:55 GMT
So quick question. If ME:A was made by B-Team. What is the A-Team doing for 5 years ? Dragon Age something and their new IP. I am pretty sure we've got more DA because I asked them in person what was in store and I got a really vague; I can't tell you but there's stuff...
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Post by hoochie on Mar 20, 2017 14:40:06 GMT
Thank God their are some of us that are going to play the game and actually formulate our own opinion of it! I'm as excited now as I was three years ago to play the game! You can bet your ass I will be on at 12AM playing the shit out of it! Anyway, just my two cents, hopefully people will give it a chance before cursing it into to oblivion!
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2017 14:44:17 GMT
Read a few of the reviews and basically all of them had "Not the trilogy". Maybe they should have ditched the Mass Effect and called it Andromeda. Apparently people can't take a hint. Thats an interesting complaint...did they put it in context at all? Were they trying to compare it to the Trilogy from the start? Perhaps it's a bit of Rose Tinted Glasses in that one?
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Post by I'd rather be Mordin Solus on Mar 20, 2017 14:46:53 GMT
Thank God their are some of us that are going to play the game and actually formulate our own opinion of it! I'm as excited now as I was three years ago to play the game! You can bet your ass I will be on at 12AM playing the shit out of it! Anyway, just my two cents, hopefully people will give it a chance before cursing it into to oblivion! The problem with this logic, though, is that you reward BW for a mediocre performance with a lot of money. The only voice we have is our wallets. Wait for a deeply discounted copy.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 20, 2017 14:47:56 GMT
Looks like the drama club is here going full emo.
Where's my popcorn. This so entertaining.
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Post by CatcheJagger on Mar 20, 2017 14:52:05 GMT
I'd say wait for sales figures to come out before making a call... but yeah, it's not looking great. This one will almost certainly sell less than ME3 which is always hard to justify from a buisiness perspective. This also wasn't a rush job like DA2 clearly was, there was effort put into making MEA good, it just didn't click with most people.
Nostalgia's going to play a part in many people's disappointment for sure, but I have a feeling that the problem that the issue goes a bit deeper than that, with a mixture of a half-hearted new direction and some remaining unease after the ME3 debacle really kneecapping this new game.
A bit of a shame, really.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 20, 2017 14:53:23 GMT
Read a few of the reviews and basically all of them had "Not the trilogy". Maybe they should have ditched the Mass Effect and called it Andromeda. Apparently people can't take a hint. Thats an interesting complaint...did they put it in context at all? Were they trying to compare it to the Trilogy from the start? Perhaps it's a bit of Rose Tinted Glasses in that one? The "memorable characters" bit. It was funny, especially when one set had 3 games worth of development while the other's being judged 5 minutes in.
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Post by lezio on Mar 20, 2017 14:56:16 GMT
I find it bizarre that it has a lower metacritic score than DA2. I played the demo and it is a much better game than DA2 was when it launched. Because had DA2 been released today it would have been critically panned. Different generation, different standards (higher). I think more went into that than standards being low at the time. I mean, before DA2 came out there was stuff like Mass Effect 2 and Assassin's Creed 2. Dark Souls, Batman, Uncharted And as much as i love DA2, and as much as i'd give it a solid 8 (and a real 8, not everything-below-8-is-crap 8), because of how reviewers judge games, i believe it's laughable that the game got anything more than 7 Honestly, i think EA had much more power on the press than it does now (and, also, Bioware was CDPR back then, and EA's influence not as acknowledged as it has become now)
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Post by xassantex on Mar 20, 2017 14:58:07 GMT
so, an AAA game was given to a B team ?
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Mar 20, 2017 15:01:09 GMT
Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. Well said bro, as it seems pretty much always: I agree with you 100%. Reviews are somewhat a factor, but they are by no means everything: look at Destiny, that game is still one of my most cherished experiences this gen, sold like HOT CAKES and only managed a 76 on MC. Andromeda may sell below expectations, it also may blow them out of the water; it's hard to say...one thing I do know though: you'll only know if it's a good game, for you, if you play it...it's that simple. Some of my favourite games in the past few years have underperformed on MC ( Wolfenstein, Destiny etc) I don't give a flying fuck: I wouldn't exchange those memories for the world. Sometime you got to roll the hard six OP and man up, so chin up mate: it's time to get down for some space adventuring: you only live once.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 15:06:15 GMT
Two main problems I have with Bioware's new direction. One is that there is a lack of interesting side content, but big empty areas instead. I really don't mind open worlds, it worked in the Witcher 3 and I hear it worked in Horizon too but you need interesting content to fill it with (i know i'm a broken record on this). Not saying you can't have crap liking mining, collectables, treasure ect too but if that's all or most of it then it isn't fun for me and a lot of other people by the sound of it.
The other is the writing. Both Dragon age 2 and Inquisition had some dreadful writing in places and non of it was as good as previous games, Inquisition was worse than DA2 in that department which is worrying. Seems like it's quite obvious that there is a lot of terrible writing here too. This is like supposed to be Bioware's strong point. It's why some of their games are so loved and they are failing to recreate that kind of quality again and again.
What confuses me is that even though a lot of people have left, there are still good writers at Bioware. So why is this happening?
I really don't care that much about graphics or facial animations. Though those things can make an experience a lot better and it seems to be all quite a lot of the loudest voices seem to care about. It's not a priority for me.
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Post by ray561 on Mar 20, 2017 15:11:55 GMT
Oh Please there are plenty of IP's that have had more than one crap entry in there series and they are still around ME will be fine the IP is worth more than the team who made it and one good but not great game in the series will not kill it.
Game IP that have had bad entery but are still around.
Halo with 2 Halo MCC and Halo 5 Gears of war with with Judgement Sonic with more bad games the there are Mass Effect games in total Final Fantasy with the FF13 games and plenty more.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 20, 2017 15:16:34 GMT
Oh Please there are plenty of IP's that have had more than one crap entry in there series and they are still around ME will be fine the IP is worth more than the team who made it and one good but not great game in the series will not kill it. Game IP that have had bad entery but are still around. Halo with 2 Halo MCC and Halo 5 Gears of war with with Judgement Sonic with more bad games the there are Mass Effect games in total Final Fantasy with the FF13 games and plenty more. I think Ubisoft games are a perfect example, they keep selling copies. There might be a downturn for a game if there are problems with a game, but the moment they make a good one people flock all over it. Besides I am finding hard to find a consensus with Andromeda, there are plenty of people being "loud" about how bad it is, but at the same time there are plenty of people saying they are enjoying it as well. I think the problem is that a lot of the people that are complaining about the game aren't BioWare's target audience.
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Post by merwanor on Mar 20, 2017 15:17:46 GMT
I can't stand people who only chooses to watch a movie or play a game because someone else did not like it and gave it a bad score. Heck I would have missed some of my favorite games and movies had I listened to other people instead of making up my own damn mind. Do I know if Andromeda is a bad game, of course not! Since I have yet played the whole thing. I did play a few hours of the beginning and I really enjoyed it. Some wonky facial animations is not going to turn me away from a game..
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Post by derrame on Mar 20, 2017 15:18:03 GMT
i want another ME game after A, i don't care if this one is bad or if it's good but i don't like it, i want a new ME after MEA!
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