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Post by maxon on Mar 20, 2017 15:19:33 GMT
I find it bizarre that it has a lower metacritic score than DA2. I played the demo and it is a much better game than DA2 was when it launched. Agreed - and I'm a fan of DA2. I thought it was an excellent game in many ways.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2017 15:20:47 GMT
Thats an interesting complaint...did they put it in context at all? Were they trying to compare it to the Trilogy from the start? Perhaps it's a bit of Rose Tinted Glasses in that one? I don't think that's particularly relevant. No game is judged in a vacuum, especially when it's carrying the name of an established franchise.
Also, much of the criticism I saw is valid on its own.
I disagree on that, because if that is the reason why it's not valid or weaker or what have you, then would a different perspective change that? Carrying the name of a franchise is nothing really; look at Star Wars and Star Trek as an example of that. The diversity of content and perspectives in both of those franchises run the gamut of good and bad sure, but are all tackled from different angles. It would be foolish, for example, to compare Star Trek with Deep Space Nine, as both are different series, different time periods, different themes and overall tone in a comparison of DSN not being the same as Star Trek. Now how it's written is another story. That part I can't judge yet. But I do question that as a complaint, hence why the context is relevant.
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Post by ray561 on Mar 20, 2017 15:23:45 GMT
Oh Please there are plenty of IP's that have had more than one crap entry in there series and they are still around ME will be fine the IP is worth more than the team who made it and one good but not great game in the series will not kill it. Game IP that have had bad entery but are still around. Halo with 2 Halo MCC and Halo 5 Gears of war with with Judgement Sonic with more bad games the there are Mass Effect games in total Final Fantasy with the FF13 games and plenty more. I think Ubisoft games are a perfect example, they keep selling copies. There might be a downturn for a game if there are problems with a game, but the moment they make a good one people flock all over it. Besides I am finding hard to find a consensus with Andromeda, there are plenty of people being "loud" about how bad it is, but at the same time there are plenty of people saying they are enjoying it as well. I think the problem is that a lot of the people that are complaining about the game aren't BioWare's target audience. Don't get me started on C Unity the buggy mess of a game actually fixed my biggest problem with the IP MEA reception may actually fix Bio-wear as a company so we get more games like DAO, ME1,2,3 and KOTOR and less games like DA2 and MEA buy hiring more fresh Talent that actually know how to do there jobs well and cutting away the crap.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 15:24:10 GMT
Oh Please there are plenty of IP's that have had more than one crap entry in there series and they are still around ME will be fine the IP is worth more than the team who made it and one good but not great game in the series will not kill it. Game IP that have had bad entery but are still around. Halo with 2 Halo MCC and Halo 5 Gears of war with with Judgement Sonic with more bad games the there are Mass Effect games in total Final Fantasy with the FF13 games and plenty more. Aren't these all IPs that are inevitably going to sell millions and millions of copies no matter the quality tho? Bioware games aren't in that category they aren't close to the big sellers. They loose to much in sales and they are done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:24:21 GMT
I can't stand people who only chooses to watch a movie or play a game because someone else did not like it and gave it a bad score. Heck I would have missed some of my favorite games and movies had I listened to other people instead of making up my own damn mind. Do I know if Andromeda is a bad game, of course not! Since I have yet played the whole thing. I did play a few hours of the beginning and I really enjoyed it. Some wonky facial animations is not going to turn me away from a game.. Some of us aren't made of money and can't afford to drop upwards of 40 quid on every new game that comes out because we have to play it all to form our own opinions on them. I'll buy MEA because I'm a Mass Effect fan and I still want to play this but if this was a franchise I had less of a history with you can bet your ass I'd be having a look at reviews to make sure I'm not throwing my money down the drain. I got burnt already when I ignored what was going on and bought No Man's Sky. If I'd have waited and checked out the reviews I'd be £40 richer right now.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 20, 2017 15:27:31 GMT
i want another ME game after A, i don't care if this on is bad or if it's good but i don't like it, i want a new ME after MEA! I agree.
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 20, 2017 15:29:09 GMT
Heard it all before Bioware has apparently being going under since DA2, I mean objectively this hasn been as well received as the other games it doesn’t mean its a poor game I think both Mass Effect and DA are fantastic games. The real crime was letting Jade Empire go wow what a fantastic game that was it had critical acclaim yet they haven’t touched it since god I wish they would. As a corporate body I think EA knows this is not the Bioware A team and these results are to be expected, as a lifelong fan I’m guna to enjoy ME A. It’s not the OT and people who expected it to be better than the three games combined should re evaluate their position. I mean if you looked at ME1 and not the whole trilogy there are a lot of glaring problmes that ME A shares, wiriting and techinal issues. BW isnt going anywhere and I dont think ME as a franchise is either.
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Post by turianrebel212 on Mar 20, 2017 15:31:54 GMT
Let it die. Mass Effect was Shepard and pals journey. No one else's. I'd like a trilogy remaster tho. That'd be sweet.
Andromeda is getting eviscerated by critics and hardcore Mass Effect fans alike. They fucked up. Big time. That's what happens when you put SJWs ahead of talented and skilled people. SJWare epic fail.
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Post by derrame on Mar 20, 2017 15:34:58 GMT
Andromeda is getting eviscerated by critics and hardcore Mass Effect fans alike. They fucked up. Big time. That's what happens when you put SJWs ahead of talented and skilled people. SJWare epic fail. you're right but they can't let ME dia, it's one of he better scifi space games ever the "A" team can make a new game, the right way, like they did with ME1 and ME2, hopefully they learn from this mistaks and set the right course of action and create another great ME game,
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Post by ray561 on Mar 20, 2017 15:35:48 GMT
Oh Please there are plenty of IP's that have had more than one crap entry in there series and they are still around ME will be fine the IP is worth more than the team who made it and one good but not great game in the series will not kill it. Game IP that have had bad entery but are still around. Halo with 2 Halo MCC and Halo 5 Gears of war with with Judgement Sonic with more bad games the there are Mass Effect games in total Final Fantasy with the FF13 games and plenty more. Aren't these all IPs that are inevitably going to sell millions and millions of copies no matter the quality tho? Bioware games aren't in that category they aren't close to the big sellers. They loose to much in sales and they are done. it all depends sale but you can bet it will most likly do better than DA2 and last i checked we still got DAI because Mass Effect has a wider appeal because it has guns and a multiplayer that if they fix it will be fun unlike DAI.
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Post by turianrebel212 on Mar 20, 2017 15:36:10 GMT
Andromeda is getting eviscerated by critics and hardcore Mass Effect fans alike. They fucked up. Big time. That's what happens when you put SJWs ahead of talented and skilled people. SJWare epic fail. you're right but they can't let ME dia, it's one of he better scifi space games ever the "A" team can make a new game, the right way, like they did with ME1 and ME2, hopefully they learn from this mistaks and set the right course of action and create another great ME game, I'd like for nothing else. But with the duo of Drew K. and Casey Hudson gone I fear it will not happen.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 20, 2017 15:36:59 GMT
Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. Quoted for truth.
OP, go outside and unplug your Internet connection. Drink a lemonade tea and breathe. Jeezus.
Right? Take the chance and visit the church for some light. Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. Well said bro, as it seems pretty much always: I agree with you 100%. Reviews are somewhat a factor, but they are by no means everything: look at Destiny, that game is still one of my most cherished experiences this gen, sold like HOT CAKES and only managed a 76 on MC. Andromeda may sell below expectations, it also may blow them out of the water; it's hard to say...one thing I do know though: you'll only know if it's a good game, for you, if you play it...it's that simple.Some of my favourite games in the past few years have underperformed on MC ( Wolfenstein, Destiny etc) I don't give a flying fuck: I wouldn't exchange those memories for the world.Sometime you got to roll the hard six OP and man up, so chin up mate: it's time to get down for some space adventuring: you only live once. Destiny is a good example, while I don't really like it, it's a complete success, despite the reception. Wolfenstein was such a masterpiece, and barely anyone talks about it. It's just another of those examples. Why care so much about reviews if you enjoy something, let Bioware take that responsibility, it's theirs. If you happen to agree with critics, more power to you, if you don't, then enjoy the game for what it is. We're back in this universe I love so much, and it's been awesome so far. That's what matters to me, and of course I wanted this game to have a 99+ score on Metacritic, didn't happen, life goes on. The fault for this is for everyone. BioWare leaving this to a team that wasn't well prepared (no guidance it seems), the exodus that occurred in the development, trying to mimicking Bethesda/TW when they don't have the resources for such or/and being too ambitious in their approach (mostly OW); not learning from past mistakes, and also too arrogant in refusing to listen to concerns of fans; EA as always. BioWare was extremely lucky that they'd released DAI before TW3, otherwise people would mock it even more than they did/do; probably on this level. It's sad that years later and they still haven't figure this out. You can't stagnate or regret while the industry moves on. Half of Montreal is formed by ME vets, quit this nonsense. This is more of the Mass Effect, and more of the same Bioware, now you will choose if you like that, I know I do, but some don't, not anymore. Bioware will have to adress these issues now. That's it. Oh my god, OP, why do you have such a weak nerve? For fuck's sake, just play the game and see how you like it instead of having a meltdown over other's people opinions. We get it, you're terrified. You did countless threads about it already. Despite how excited you were. I do think these reviews are low for a ME game, regardless - 75 ain't a bad score, if it stays that way, even then, I think I will love this game. But I need to complete this shit first before pulling the trigger, and so far - it's a blast. So, hell fuckin' yes - try to control yourself. If you can't deal with the reviews, stay away from places that are talking about them. It's just that, reviews. You might disagree with them, or not. This game's fate lies with its sales, and it will probably do well, it's Mass Effect, unless there's another twist in this story, but that's something we have to wait and see. And meanwhile, I will be playing it, thankful for a new ME game when it wasn't needed in the bigger picture, but here it is. Dude you sound more angry than I do. I'm not freaking out, I'm just being real about the situation. And for everyone who is dismissing me, let's get a couple things straight right now. 1. I made a thread saying the game should've been delayed, people gave me shit for it, and then not long after that the jank and bugs of the game were revealed. 2. I said the game wasn't going to get an average high review score. Once again I was right on that. Now that I'm saying it's possible this could kill the series, people are giving me shit for it. I'm not apologizing for being right the last couple of times, and I certainly won't apologize for having concerns about the future of the franchise. Yes, I am angry at how childish some people can be, and for the love of SofaJockey, I won't write names. You're not being real, you're being overly emotional and paranoid. It's not about if you were right, it's just that you are clearly influenced by what some people think, and feel insecure about what you think. ATM, The franchise is fine. Bioware is well alive after DA2, and so is ME after the ending shitstorm. Just look at Ghost Recon Wildlands, that shit is selling like water, and it a/hs the same score MEA has, it's all about the money, and I have a good feeling MEA will make lots like it always did. MEA is divisive with critics, many can't agree regarding some issue aside from bugs, look at the pre-order thread here, and even in the hell that is know as NeoGaf, lots are still going to play it. But sure, Because had DA2 been released today it would have been critically panned. Different generation, different standards (higher). I think more went into that than standards being low at the time. I mean, before DA2 came out there was stuff like Mass Effect 2 and Assassin's Creed 2. Dark Souls, Batman, Uncharted And as much as i love DA2, and as much as i'd give it a solid 8 (and a real 8, not everything-below-8-is-crap 8), because of how reviewers judge games, i believe it's laughable that the game got anything more than 7 Honestly, i think EA had much more power on the press than it does now (and, also, Bioware was CDPR back then, and EA's influence not as unknowledged as it has become now) Many games back then easily received 10s and 9s, this doesn't happen that often now. There's a whole math around that. I will try to find the pic somewhere, but it exists. You honestly think that if ME2 had been released right now, it would get the same score it has when compared to games also coming out at the moment? DA2 would get even more shit.
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Post by Ianamus on Mar 20, 2017 15:43:02 GMT
I find it bizarre that it has a lower metacritic score than DA2. I played the demo and it is a much better game than DA2 was when it launched. Because had DA2 been released today it would have been critically panned. Different generation, different standards (higher). I meant that MEA is a better game by today's standards than DA2 was by it's times standards. I'm not comparing them directly- I'm comparing the way I felt about the first 10 hours of DA2 when it launched to how I feel about the first 10 hours of Andromeda now. If Andromeda is a 7/10 by today's standards then no way was DA2 an 8/10 by 2011 standards.
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Post by Elessar on Mar 20, 2017 15:46:07 GMT
I believe Mass Effect is too signifficant to just die. This might be a setback but it will come back, sooner or later.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 15:48:15 GMT
Yeah I don't want it to die either, A couple more good games could still be made. If they are just going to milk it for cash though.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 20, 2017 15:52:18 GMT
Because had DA2 been released today it would have been critically panned. Different generation, different standards (higher). I meant that MEA is a better game by today's standards than DA2 was by it's times standards. I'm not comparing them directly- I'm comparing the way I felt about the first 10 hours of DA2 when it launched to how I feel about the first 10 hours of Andromeda now. If Andromeda is a 7/10 by today's standards then no way was DA2 an 8/10 by 2011 standards. I think that is a good way of putting it, for I honestly believe that Dragon Age 2 was ripped apart more by fans and critics then Andromeda currently is. One thing I am finding within my group of friends is the ones that really don't bother with gaming forums and or numerical scores, but will read reviews are enjoying Andromeda, but the opposite is true for the ones that do go to gaming forums for they are upset at the game. If that is the trend Andromeda might not be the best selling Mass Effect game of all time, but it might be a really good start towards future Mass Effect games, just like Mass Effect 1 was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:54:04 GMT
As if EA is giving a damn what reviewers or the average Joe is thinking. As long as it turns a profit they are good. Personally I played a little bit and I really don't get all the negativity. I'm enjoying the combats, the squads and the explorations. It feels to me a new version of ME1.
The real issue for me are the animations who need some serious fixing. I'm still enjoying this game more than DA:I. A solid 7.5 for me. It might become an 8 with patches, DLCs and other additional content. I'm reserving that half point for how much they are going to support their game over time.
Enjoying the game so far. It could have been much better sure but it is not a bad game. It helps not being hyped.
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Post by lezio on Mar 20, 2017 15:56:58 GMT
I think more went into that than standards being low at the time. I mean, before DA2 came out there was stuff like Mass Effect 2 and Assassin's Creed 2. Dark Souls, Batman, Uncharted And as much as i love DA2, and as much as i'd give it a solid 8 (and a real 8, not everything-below-8-is-crap 8), because of how reviewers judge games, i believe it's laughable that the game got anything more than 7 Honestly, i think EA had much more power on the press than it does now (and, also, Bioware was CDPR back then, and EA's influence not as unknowledged as it has become now) Many games back then easily received 10s and 9s, this doesn't happen that often now. There's a whole math around that. I will try to find the pic somewhere, but it exists. You honestly think that if ME2 had been released right now, it would get the same score it has when compared to games also coming out at the moment? DA2 would get even more shit. ME2 with upgraded graphics and combat could easily compare with the games coming out right now. Same for DA:Origins, really (Like, Origins with 2017 graphics? Yes, please). DA2 and ME3? Nope, but that's because those games have fundumental problems that can't be solved by a HD remastered (DA2 would need a remake, in my opinion) Also, what i said is that's strange, to be mild, that Bioware's games, back then, had votes as high as the games i listed. Hell, i'd argue that for a good while, at the very least until Skyrim came out, the TW3 of 2010/2011 was ME2, so it's really weird that DA2 got votes as high as it did when its direct comparison was that masterpiece As i already said, i think fishy stuff was going on back then. Especially considering how every reviewer and their mothers were Bioware's best buddies when the ME3 backlash happened (And i distinctly remember going to GameStop, 2/3 weeks after it had come out, and finding it, new, at 20€ less than what it was at D-1)
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 20, 2017 15:57:11 GMT
LOL no, 1 average entry in a highly succesful beloved franchise is barely a dent. However, the chances of Andromeda 2 continuing the story into a trilogy and Ryder as the PC have gone down considerably. I'm expecting mostly new story and PC unfortunately, even if still set in Andromeda.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 20, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
Anyway, Andromeda's various trailers all have over a million views, most over 2 million and it's not like they are being flooded with dislikes either. Sure the comment sections are full of hate but this is a vocal minority, nobody really cares about reviews either other than metacritic and at least it's over seventy. I think the sales will probably be fine, maybe not amazing but I don't think they will be terrible either. I guess we will see.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 20, 2017 16:05:04 GMT
Thats an interesting complaint...did they put it in context at all? Were they trying to compare it to the Trilogy from the start? Perhaps it's a bit of Rose Tinted Glasses in that one? The "memorable characters" bit. It was funny, especially when one set had 3 games worth of development while the other's being judged 5 minutes in. You understand that people are expressing concerns over the game's reception by the "unwashed masses", right? In your haste to continuously counter-post, you seem to miss the point. You're preaching to the wrong people. Most here share your opinions and approach to the game, in a general way. It's the game's reception by the less devoted fans, and those essentially unacquainted, that will truly decide its fate. We devoted fans, who are willing to cut it slack, aren't numerous enough to save it if either Internet hate or justified criticism gets too far ahead of it. Madflavor, people can mock you or get pissy if they wish. It's the standard BSN response to things people don't want to hear and/or are tired of hearing. You're correct, though, I believe. I've expressed as much in my few recent posts. This game's sales performance is one I'll be watching more closely than I've ever done in the past. Many big titles have flopped in recent months, and my favorite IP feels poised to do the same. (Look how Deus Ex went from "major IP with big plans" to mothballed in such a quick turn.) We can enjoy this game regardless of review scores; that's never been the point, for those who keep going back to that tired, dry well. We want to believe MEA isn't the end of the line for ME. The first two weeks should give us an idea of how things are going to go, in terms of reception and sales. If EA has as modest a view of the IP as BioWare seems to have, at this point, that is in its favor. I believe the game will ultimately be pretty good quality, some animations aside. I just hope any initial, unreasonable vitriol doesn't get too far ahead for things to normalize. We've all seen good games demonized and ruined by unreasonably bad press. Hopefully, nothing of the sort happens to MEA. That's never exactly been my fear, anyway. I'm more worried that BioWare's non-existent marketing, combined with flagging industry performance and poor pre-release press would simply whither interest in the game. People are already playing Zelda and HZD, after all. We'll see, I guess.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Mar 20, 2017 16:08:58 GMT
I'm having a hard time seeing this game doing well in sales with the reception it's getting. Interest wasn't very high to begin with anyway. I think this might be the last Mass Effect game we get. I mean we know they never planned on continuing the series after ME3. The fact that they did anyway, and gave it to their B team, kinda shows EA/Bioware weren't totally invested in keeping the franchise going strong. I think with the mediocre reception, if sales aren't great, I can absolutely see them putting Mass Effect to bed. If anything they're probably way more focused on making sure their new IP is great, because there's gonna be a lot riding on that. Seriously...? Like the game isn't even technically out yet. Time will tell with these things. Can we hold off on the doomsaying? I can say that I fully believe this will not be the last Mass Effect game. This successful franchise isn't going to be knocked out by one spoiled egg. It's also not like the game is being relentlessly dragged to the pits of hell across the board. It's simply getting mediocre reviews- some are well deserved, it's appalling just how unpolished this game is. I'm positive we'll get another Mass Effect. They just can't fuck that one up or, yeah, we will be in trouble. I'll be damned if I lose my favorite video game series!!! *shakes fist*
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 20, 2017 16:12:26 GMT
The "memorable characters" bit. It was funny, especially when one set had 3 games worth of development while the other's being judged 5 minutes in. You understand that people are expressing concerns over the game's reception by the "unwashed masses", right? In your haste to continuously counter-post, you seem to miss the point. You're preaching to the wrong people. Most here share your opinions and approach to the game, in a general way. It's the game's reception by the less devoted fans, and those essentially unacquainted, that will truly decide its fate. We devoted fans, who are willing to cut it slack, aren't numerous enough to save it if either Internet hate or justified criticism gets too far ahead of it. Comparing one game to the trilogy is exactly what you shouldn't do when trying to recommend (or not) a game to people who are NOT devoted fans. That's what irritates me.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2017 19:18:05 GMT
I disagree on that, because if that is the reason why it's not valid or weaker or what have you, then would a different perspective change that? Carrying the name of a franchise is nothing really; look at Star Wars and Star Trek as an example of that. The diversity of content and perspectives in both of those franchises run the gamut of good and bad sure, but are all tackled from different angles. It would be foolish, for example, to compare Star Trek with Deep Space Nine, as both are different series, different time periods, different themes and overall tone. I can't comment on Star Trek, as I didn't watch most of it.
The point I'm making is that every video game out there is being judged in comparison to other video games, directly or indirectly. When good games come out they set certain standards and expectations, you may not even think about them consciously but you may still find a game that falls short to be disappointing, even if a similar game was rather enjoyable a few years before that.
It's like sex. Things that are incredibly exciting the first time you do them, become rather boring (or rather, less exciting) after you did them a hundred times. As you become familiar with something, you start looking for more, for something different that will give you the same "hit" and resurrect that spark the earlier experience had.
That's why innovation is important, that's why new blood is important, and that's why a game that could have been a successful hit five years ago, is receiving mixed responses now.
I grant you that, sure. But my point is that there is a difference between saying the game doesn't meet current day standards, vs the game doesn't meet the expected series standards. What I am curious is which is the real problem. Like, Breath of the Wild did away with a lot of Zelda conventions. If it didn't, would it be well as well received? Probably no. But, GTA V is tonally different than GTA IV, despite following the same gameplay conventions. Why was V well received over IV?
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Post by colfoley on Mar 20, 2017 19:21:57 GMT
I'm having a hard time seeing this game doing well in sales with the reception it's getting. Interest wasn't very high to begin with anyway. I think this might be the last Mass Effect game we get. I mean we know they never planned on continuing the series after ME3. The fact that they did anyway, and gave it to their B team, kinda shows EA/Bioware weren't totally invested in keeping the franchise going strong. I think with the mediocre reception, if sales aren't great, I can absolutely see them putting Mass Effect to bed. If anything they're probably way more focused on making sure their new IP is great, because there's gonna be a lot riding on that. which is unfortunate since the more i read the more I'm convinced these impressions are ridiculous and unfair. Some are deliberate trolls and some might be a hunting expedition.
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