inherit
TRASHCAN Director
4896
0
3,750
Doctor Fumbles
2,658
March 2017
drfumbles
|
Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 23, 2017 4:33:25 GMT
Well, I have eaten raccoon killed by a car before, so yes , I think going full ahead just to see is the right decision. I may regret this but did you cook it before... you know... or..? Oh, it was from a professional chef at a restaurant I used to work. He flavoured it and everything. The texture is like chicken.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
9,185
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,831
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Mar 23, 2017 4:37:04 GMT
I couldn't disagree more. I love ME1's story but it was short and sweet compared to ME2 and I loved the added complexity of finding crew and such. The underlying story and sub plots were woven together nicely imo. Think about the dlc for ME2, kasumi, zaeed, shadow broker. All of them pretty much plays like a loyalty mission. I bring this up to illustrate that the 75% of the main story could have been broken into dlcs it wouldn't have altered the stories much. To me that's a sign that the story isn't not actually written as a coherent single narrative. More to the point, the game would have played 75% the same if Shepard had been recruiting people to fight Cerberus instead of collectors, or to fight mirandas father, or shadow broker, or to break into a vault. You could swap out collector for anything and the game would be mostly the same. It's in a way easier to write because you are writing 7 or 8 small stories instead of a single large one. I'm not sure this proves much. You could cut or add plot sections out of KotOR, DA:O, or ME1 fairly easily. ME1's slightly harder because the components of finding the Conduit aren't merely arbitrary numbers.
|
|
inherit
4578
0
5,014
griffith82
Hope for the best, plan for the worst
4,259
Mar 15, 2017 21:36:52 GMT
March 2017
griffith82
|
Post by griffith82 on Mar 23, 2017 5:10:54 GMT
I couldn't disagree more. I love ME1's story but it was short and sweet compared to ME2 and I loved the added complexity of finding crew and such. The underlying story and sub plots were woven together nicely imo. Think about the dlc for ME2, kasumi, zaeed, shadow broker. All of them pretty much plays like a loyalty mission. I bring this up to illustrate that the 75% of the main story could have been broken into dlcs it wouldn't have altered the stories much. To me that's a sign that the story isn't not actually written as a coherent single narrative. More to the point, the game would have played 75% the same if Shepard had been recruiting people to fight Cerberus instead of collectors, or to fight mirandas father, or shadow broker, or to break into a vault. You could swap out collector for anything and the game would be mostly the same. It's in a way easier to write because you are writing 7 or 8 small stories instead of a single large one. Well could that be that Zaeed and Kaumi were loyalty missions? Shadow broker no just not it was a great example of an expansion. So I see your point but I disagree. Finding and assembling your crew is a huge part of the main plot and the game would be lacking without it.
|
|
aionis
N2
Posts: 211 Likes: 533
inherit
1725
0
533
aionis
211
October 2016
aionis
|
Post by aionis on Mar 23, 2017 5:24:08 GMT
I'm genuinely enjoying the game and I was one of the ones expecting the worst from all the negativity.
The exploration, finding worlds to live in, story. I love it honestly.
It does have its flaws though.
|
|
inherit
4549
0
16
stupidmaniac
39
March 2017
stupidmaniac
|
Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 23, 2017 9:09:02 GMT
I actually feel relieved that other people think the same way lol! I thought I was alone in this. I really enjoyed ME2 because of improvements like the Combat for example. However, the story was a hot mess and felt like a filler episode (like The Walking Dead for example). It was a story that was not required, didn't show the true weight of the decisions that you made in the 1st game and overall I never expected the game's storyline to be like that. As you said Bioware should be praised for making it work, but I feel that this game is nothing like that and really carries over as a true predecessor of the first game. I couldn't disagree more. I love ME1's story but it was short and sweet compared to ME2 and I loved the added complexity of finding crew and such. The underlying story and sub plots were woven together nicely imo. No no, you make some very good points about ME2. Calling it a hot mess was silly of me, I thought it took a direction into the series that really didn't serve much of a purpose. The reasons have already been mentioned by other people. But I did like ME2 as I said, the characters were very good and trying to get all of my crew killed on purpose was very fun
|
|
MEuniverse
N1
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: MEuniverse
XBL Gamertag: MEuniverse N7
PSN: MEuniverse
Posts: 23 Likes: 31
inherit
2874
0
31
MEuniverse
23
Jan 18, 2017 17:13:02 GMT
January 2017
meuniverse
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
MEuniverse
MEuniverse N7
MEuniverse
|
Post by MEuniverse on Mar 23, 2017 9:11:58 GMT
Actually Mass Effect Andromeda has the potential to be my 2nd favorite game out of the four games. I'm in the minority here It's topping my list out of all of them. All I wanted was a much better version of the first game, which is what I personally think we got. I feel sorry for the fence sitters because they are stuck with reviewers and fans that are either praising it or hanging it up in a knot. The amount of stuff to do in this game is ridiculous lol My number 1 game is the first Mass Effect, It's the superior one regarding the general feel of a Mass Effect world, however me saying that Mass Effect Andromeda might take the no. 2 spot could change. MEA could take the place of Mass Effect 1 because I'm pretty much like you, All I wanted is a better version of ME1 (not that ME1 is bad) and so far Andromeda is delivering
|
|
pdusen
N3
Posts: 296 Likes: 974
inherit
394
0
974
pdusen
296
August 2016
pdusen
|
Post by pdusen on Mar 23, 2017 10:15:54 GMT
You're mad that you got a refund? I'm mad because i waited years in anticipation for a new ME game. And it turned out to be SHIT. Your loss, I guess.
|
|
inherit
5230
0
88
lyvean
98
Mar 20, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
March 2017
lyvean
|
Post by lyvean on Mar 23, 2017 10:18:56 GMT
I'm mad because i waited years in anticipation for a new ME game. And it turned out to be SHIT. Your loss, I guess. No, it's BioWare's loss. He got a refund.
|
|
pdusen
N3
Posts: 296 Likes: 974
inherit
394
0
974
pdusen
296
August 2016
pdusen
|
Post by pdusen on Mar 23, 2017 10:51:15 GMT
No, it's BioWare's loss. He got a refund. He's missing out on a great game because he can't see past the problems. I feel bad for him.
|
|
inherit
5230
0
88
lyvean
98
Mar 20, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
March 2017
lyvean
|
Post by lyvean on Mar 23, 2017 11:02:26 GMT
No, it's BioWare's loss. He got a refund. He's missing out on a great game because he can't see past the problems. I feel bad for him. You shouldn't because there is nothing great about the game. He probably feels bad for you for wasting money on such a mediocre effort as this, instead of taking a stand as a consumer.
|
|
pdusen
N3
Posts: 296 Likes: 974
inherit
394
0
974
pdusen
296
August 2016
pdusen
|
Post by pdusen on Mar 23, 2017 11:05:44 GMT
He's missing out on a great game because he can't see past the problems. I feel bad for him. You shouldn't because there is nothing great about the game. He probably feels bad for you for wasting money on such a mediocre effort as this, instead of taking a stand as a consumer. And now I feel bad for you, too.
|
|
urkibalurki
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: pompomperol
Posts: 232 Likes: 370
inherit
1899
0
370
urkibalurki
232
Oct 30, 2016 22:02:39 GMT
October 2016
urkibalurki
Bottom
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
pompomperol
|
Post by urkibalurki on Mar 23, 2017 11:15:24 GMT
I feel bad for everyone who can't see past venial problems. Facial animations aren't perfect; so what? The character creator is limited; so what? Please, you all perpetually unsatisfied people: enjoy the game! These little flaws are NOT game-blocking!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
1282
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 11:34:25 GMT
I don't get it either. I am about 35 hours into it now, and done probably half the main story. I'll admit the start was slow and exposition heavy, but now i am totally in love with this game. I don't understand the complaints about the characters either. Most are fairly well written, and most conversations i've had are really great. Even just some random npc's here and there that add to the world and make it feel alive.
Eurogamer wrote an article on how to enjoy Andromeda, and one of them was to skip talking to NPC's that add to the world, really? Its an RPG, that is the point of it, talking to people!
|
|
inherit
5526
0
May 29, 2019 17:35:30 GMT
298
jackdaniel
248
Mar 22, 2017 15:51:47 GMT
March 2017
jackdaniel
|
Post by jackdaniel on Mar 23, 2017 11:45:05 GMT
Think about the dlc for ME2, kasumi, zaeed, shadow broker. All of them pretty much plays like a loyalty mission. I bring this up to illustrate that the 75% of the main story could have been broken into dlcs it wouldn't have altered the stories much. To me that's a sign that the story isn't not actually written as a coherent single narrative. More to the point, the game would have played 75% the same if Shepard had been recruiting people to fight Cerberus instead of collectors, or to fight mirandas father, or shadow broker, or to break into a vault. You could swap out collector for anything and the game would be mostly the same. It's in a way easier to write because you are writing 7 or 8 small stories instead of a single large one. I'm not sure this proves much. You could cut or add plot sections out of KotOR, DA:O, or ME1 fairly easily. ME1's slightly harder because the components of finding the Conduit aren't merely arbitrary numbers. Just an observation that the game was less coherent than people think. Did the game work? Yes. And what I pointed isn't flaws, it's just how the is written. My opinion is that ME2 has inherent limitations to how much story development it can hold. ME2 was good, but it shouldn't be held up as example of how ME games structure their stories.
|
|
finoderi
N2
Origin: f1n0deri
Posts: 58 Likes: 29
inherit
3405
0
Nov 17, 2023 23:49:55 GMT
29
finoderi
58
February 2017
finoderi
f1n0deri
|
Post by finoderi on Mar 23, 2017 11:46:32 GMT
Well, for a change I do not feel sorry for anyone. Even for Bioware employes. It's even enlightening to some extent to observe how people can see only what they want to see. Pretty much on both sides of the fence of the world of tired faces.
|
|
inherit
5230
0
88
lyvean
98
Mar 20, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
March 2017
lyvean
|
Post by lyvean on Mar 23, 2017 11:49:31 GMT
You shouldn't because there is nothing great about the game. He probably feels bad for you for wasting money on such a mediocre effort as this, instead of taking a stand as a consumer. And now I feel bad for you, too. You really shouldn't. Plenty of games out there that deserve their money. I have no compulsion need to enjoy MEA because I am a fan of the series. I can actually choose for myself. I wish you would do the same. As for the people claiming the writing is good and the characters are great, that is what makes me sad and is keeping videogames in the dark ages.
|
|
inherit
5526
0
May 29, 2019 17:35:30 GMT
298
jackdaniel
248
Mar 22, 2017 15:51:47 GMT
March 2017
jackdaniel
|
Post by jackdaniel on Mar 23, 2017 11:54:27 GMT
Think about the dlc for ME2, kasumi, zaeed, shadow broker. All of them pretty much plays like a loyalty mission. I bring this up to illustrate that the 75% of the main story could have been broken into dlcs it wouldn't have altered the stories much. To me that's a sign that the story isn't not actually written as a coherent single narrative. More to the point, the game would have played 75% the same if Shepard had been recruiting people to fight Cerberus instead of collectors, or to fight mirandas father, or shadow broker, or to break into a vault. You could swap out collector for anything and the game would be mostly the same. It's in a way easier to write because you are writing 7 or 8 small stories instead of a single large one. Well could that be that Zaeed and Kaumi were loyalty missions? Shadow broker no just not it was a great example of an expansion. So I see your point but I disagree. Finding and assembling your crew is a huge part of the main plot and the game would be lacking without it. That's kinda my point, recruiting people and dealing with their problem was the actually the main goal, which makes the nominal main goal of fighting collectors not that important anymore. I don't think what I pointed out are flaws, and I don't disagree that the game was compelling and engaging. I differ in opinion with people who think that the central plot was well written or that the narrative was well integrated
|
|
pdusen
N3
Posts: 296 Likes: 974
inherit
394
0
974
pdusen
296
August 2016
pdusen
|
Post by pdusen on Mar 23, 2017 11:55:12 GMT
And now I feel bad for you, too. You really shouldn't. Plenty of games out there that deserve their money. I have no compulsion need to enjoy MEA because I am a fan of the series. I can actually choose for myself. I wish you would do the same. As for the people claiming the writing is good and the characters are great, that is what makes me sad and is keeping videogames in the dark ages. I feel bad because I'm having a blast playing and I wish you could share in that feeling. No compulsion required.
|
|
inherit
5230
0
88
lyvean
98
Mar 20, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
March 2017
lyvean
|
Post by lyvean on Mar 23, 2017 12:19:18 GMT
You really shouldn't. Plenty of games out there that deserve their money. I have no compulsion need to enjoy MEA because I am a fan of the series. I can actually choose for myself. I wish you would do the same. As for the people claiming the writing is good and the characters are great, that is what makes me sad and is keeping videogames in the dark ages. I feel bad because I'm having a blast playing and I wish you could share in that feeling. No compulsion required. But it is not a good game for me, it is a disappointing game. Not playing it, especially with Persona 5 around the corner, is a good thing for me. The best feeling though is being able to choose not to give money to these people, that with all their resources, brand name and time, they managed to deliver this.
|
|
pdusen
N3
Posts: 296 Likes: 974
inherit
394
0
974
pdusen
296
August 2016
pdusen
|
Post by pdusen on Mar 23, 2017 12:26:31 GMT
I feel bad because I'm having a blast playing and I wish you could share in that feeling. No compulsion required. But it is not a good game for me, it is a disappointing game. Not playing it, especially with Persona 5 around the corner, is a good thing for me. The best feeling though is being able to choose not to give money to these people, that with all their resources, brand name and time, they managed to deliver this. I understand that you can't enjoy the game the way I am because it doesn't seem good to you. I feel bad regardless.
|
|
inherit
Usually respectful
701
0
5,084
Shinobu
Grateful to have this forum. Also, a giant killjoy.
1,540
August 2016
shinobu
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
Shinobu211
|
Post by Shinobu on Mar 23, 2017 12:50:47 GMT
I was recently playing through Fallout 4 and The Elder Scrolls online, and character creation in those games feels like generations in advance of MEA. Not only there's abundance of options, you can customize your body shape, height and everything. And those games are not cinematic. There are hardly any cutscenes. You can trigger first person and almost never see your char again. Feels kinda like a waste, actually. But you're not supposed to be looking at your character at all times and interacting deeply with everyone. The reason you can customize body shape/height is because the game isn't cinematic. The clipping would be horrendous in cutscenes, especially romance scenes if Bioware were to do this. People (not specifically you) are jumping to the conclusion that excluding these things is due to "laziness" when there are actual technical reasons for them.
|
|
inherit
5413
0
114
solomace
184
Mar 21, 2017 21:35:24 GMT
March 2017
solomace
|
Post by solomace on Mar 23, 2017 13:06:51 GMT
You can't call something bad without actually playing it all the way through. It's like saying I don't want to taste that new beer because someone said it is bad. You have to try things out before you say something is bad. Played the trial. Didn't like. Reviewers played the game, they thought it was ok. Players on here have played the trial didn't like. When you put it all together, you then make an informed view based on all the feedback both good and bad and then decide. If I buy a beer I've never tried before, I dont think grr, there's 3 quid lost, I either love or hate it. Plus most pubs I go to allow me to try a sample of new beers for free. However if loads of people tell me the beer is awful or it's meh, I take that into consideration. Note consideration doesn't mean I won't try, it means I make an informed decision with all the details I have. A game worth £40 is another story and I don't blindly buy any game just because of a franchise like it seems many on here do. Doesn't COD expect the same thing from it's fanbase. I read how COD is going down the tube over the last few years (some might say since 4) and want to know why? Because of people like yourself that buy the new copy every year regardless. You mentioned in other posts that you are buying the game simply because it's a Mass Effect game and not due to anything else and that you don't play many games. This means your view is so tainted that why should people read it when you don't take into consideration anything said about the game because your loyalty is just to ME? What you and others who say the same thing "try before you make a decision" are really saying is spend hard cash and see if you don't like it. All this does is tell the publishers another copy sold/trial bought, lets rinse and repeat.
|
|
inherit
5413
0
114
solomace
184
Mar 21, 2017 21:35:24 GMT
March 2017
solomace
|
Post by solomace on Mar 23, 2017 13:16:26 GMT
I feel bad for everyone who can't see past venial problems. Facial animations aren't perfect; so what? The character creator is limited; so what? Please, you all perpetually unsatisfied people: enjoy the game! These little flaws are NOT game-blocking! What I don't' get is why you and others on this thread and in the forums in general insist on coming to the forums telling everyone to play and enjoy the game? Why are you not playing and enjoying? What's it to you if others are not? If I'm playing a game that I'm enjoying especially in the first few days, why would I want to waste time and come to a forum when I can be playing said game? Even if I'm at work or not playing, why would I still then come to a forum especially if I'm enjoying the game? Why would I want to expend energy in reading negativity and even more expend energy in saying something so assanine as to tell faceless people to enjoy the game or that they're wrong and the critics are wrong and just because these things don't stop my enjoyment, they shouldn't stop yours? I think too many people in this thread either don't like the game as much as they pretend to, or are really too unstable that they don't like anything critising the game they love and feel the need to lash out. At least those that are not happy with the game I can understand why they come to forums to explain why they're not happy even if it sounds like moaning, bitching, hate etc.
|
|
inherit
5216
0
20
nothv13
20
Mar 20, 2017 15:29:27 GMT
March 2017
nothv13
|
Post by nothv13 on Mar 23, 2017 13:21:55 GMT
I feel bad for everyone who can't see past venial problems. Facial animations aren't perfect; so what? The character creator is limited; so what? Please, you all perpetually unsatisfied people: enjoy the game! These little flaws are NOT game-blocking! What I don't' get is why you and others on this thread and in the forums in general insist on coming to the forums telling everyone to play and enjoy the game? Why are you not playing and enjoying? What's it to you if others are not? If I'm playing a game that I'm enjoying especially in the first few days, why would I want to waste time and come to a forum when I can be playing said game? Even if I'm at work or not playing, why would I still then come to a forum especially if I'm enjoying the game? Why would I want to expend energy in reading negativity and even more expend energy in saying something so assanine as to tell faceless people to enjoy the game or that they're wrong and the critics are wrong and just because these things don't stop my enjoyment, they shouldn't stop yours? I think too many people in this thread either don't like the game as much as they pretend to, or are really too unstable that they don't like anything critising the game they love and feel the need to lash out. At least those that are not happy with the game I can understand why they come to forums to explain why they're not happy even if it sounds like moaning, bitching, hate etc. You do know that many people have things called jobs and many times those jobs don't allow one to play games but allow people to browse forums right? In general, unless your job is playing video games, one cannot play a video game as much as they can be on the forums. I don't get the people that come to a forum of a game they obviously do not like and try and convince people to not like it.
|
|
inherit
62
0
Feb 16, 2024 23:42:38 GMT
1,214
flyingovertrout
marxist asshole
547
August 2016
flyingovertrout
|
Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 23, 2017 13:23:10 GMT
I feel bad for everyone who can't see past venial problems. Facial animations aren't perfect; so what? The character creator is limited; so what? Please, you all perpetually unsatisfied people: enjoy the game! These little flaws are NOT game-blocking! What I don't' get is why you and others on this thread and in the forums in general insist on coming to the forums telling everyone to play and enjoy the game? Why are you not playing and enjoying? What's it to you if others are not? If I'm playing a game that I'm enjoying especially in the first few days, why would I want to waste time and come to a forum when I can be playing said game? Even if I'm at work or not playing, why would I still then come to a forum especially if I'm enjoying the game? Why would I want to expend energy in reading negativity and even more expend energy in saying something so assanine as to tell faceless people to enjoy the game or that they're wrong and the critics are wrong and just because these things don't stop my enjoyment, they shouldn't stop yours? I think too many people in this thread either don't like the game as much as they pretend to, or are really too unstable that they don't like anything critising the game they love and feel the need to lash out. At least those that are not happy with the game I can understand why they come to forums to explain why they're not happy even if it sounds like moaning, bitching, hate etc. Why are fans of a thing visiting a fan forum for the thing? Oh lol.
|
|