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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 29, 2017 3:03:45 GMT
All you fanboys with your sensitive egos... just tolerate me like I tolerate you. Hey, sometimes you're right and I completely agree with you. This is the internet and tolerance of any kind does not exist here. Either you will comply to the group mind or else or you will be declared an SJW and be taken to a so-called "safe space" for processing. In all seriousness: I honestly don't care if you love it or hate it, I don' care what people on Metacritic says at the end of the day it's always going to be my opinion that matters the most to me. Not yours. Or Jim Sterling. Or Angry Joe. Or Polygon. Or somebody I will never met in my life (and never will meet in the real world) on Metacritic. anybody's opinion. I will buy the DLC and support it. Your opinion has been made just don't insult people who don't share your opinion. You don't like it, we get it. Now may I suggest you move on with your life? My tolerance is finite.
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Post by kino on Mar 29, 2017 3:05:37 GMT
It's okay, cupcake. We'll find your binky. You'll be fine. In all seriousness, I could give a shit if you criticize the game. It's just the whole fanboy accusation on a fan forum. The irony is delicious. The irony is delicious? Do you know what irony is? Besides, in all seriousness, these are the unofficial forums. No one important is listening. Quite. Irony is accusing people on a fan forum of being fanboys. Of course they are. It's a fan forum. And you're right, no one may be listening...or they might. Several of the devs have accounts on this forum. Look, I don't care if people vent. If it helps them feel better, cool. They're not feeling the game, not everyone will. I get that. But raggin' on those who are enjoying the journey or don't feel the same? All of my "meh" at that point.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 29, 2017 3:16:35 GMT
I think its a bit of both tbh. I mean even if you did change publishers you'd still have a noob, B-team studio full of z-list hacks, interns and general nobodies making the actual game. 5 years under a different publisher probably wouldnt of made much difference when that is the base your working from, a z-list hack is a z-list hack regardless of the publisher. But generally i think the overriding corporate culture and ethos at EA cant be a good thing on game development. Its bound to effect things in a negative sense one way or another. Likewise being under a big publisher that doesnt really let devs do what they do best wont help matters. I mean a game like The Witcher 3 for instance would've not been possible under EA, the game wouldnt have been great or anywhere near how it turnt out imo, as games are very much a means to an end for EA(ie a means to make $$$$) they dont care about games as an artform, they dont give a shit about whats in the best interest of gamers either etc.. and none, none of the top people & executives who make the decisions are gamers, none of them like games or play them etc. And that attitude is bound to filter down the company poisoning everything it touches etc.. One defo see this in EA's recent releases.
PS. EA are totally responsible for the rushed disaster mess that was ME3. They originally wanted the game out by Xmas period 2011, leaving only about just over a year to make the game. Which for a game of ME3's size & scope that is just not enough time, nowhere near enough, too much to do etc. Even with the small delay on such a short developmment cycle in many ways it was doomed from the start really... and it all falls on EA. They fucked over Bioware on that one.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 29, 2017 3:18:50 GMT
*shrugs* Whatever you feel about it, I think this was the best Mass Effect to date. It needs some patches to fix the odd bugs with quests, and more work on facial animations, but that aside, I couldn't stop playing until I finished it. It's not Witcher 3 scope when it comes to storytelling (but certainly less bugs than Witcher 3 had at launch), but it definately was all I expected from the game. I can't see where all the complaints are coming from, it's a very solid game. Funny I just checked the fan reviews on the MS store on my Xbox One, and to my surprise the overall fan reviews are VERY positive hell it's at a 4.8 out of 5. With a HUGE majority of the reviewers giving it a 5 out of 5. Then again it's Microsoft and not Steam (which is basically now the Wal-Mart of online digital video game stores meaning they will sell any broken piece of shit asset flip by hacks that are so bad that my cat could probably do a better job of making a game and then people wonder why I hate PC gaming so much crap like Steam Garbage Store that made realize that consoles are better for me but I digress). Personally I'm beginning to think it's mostly a vocal minority of pissed off of the so-called "PC Master Race" snobs that are upset that they paid a lot of money for all those high end graphic cards and updated their expensive rigs only to find out it plays better on consoles.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2017 3:20:16 GMT
It's a rant guys. All you fanboys with your sensitive egos... just tolerate me like I tolerate you. Hey, sometimes you're right and I completely agree with you. Gonna be hard to tolerate you if you're going result to stuff like that.
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Post by adrynbliss on Mar 29, 2017 3:26:28 GMT
If someone ties both hands behind your back and tells you to paint the mona lisa you're gonna have problems no matter how long you have. I don't blame bio and I think it's idiotic to do so. regardless of resources, funding all that stuff to place blame on the whole studio is insulting and childish, yeah i'm sure the foley artist or the dude designing the ui are to blame amirite, hey how 'bout HR or the interns... I'm sorry guys but come on grow up this crap is why gamers are still looked down on as immature neckbeards.
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Post by gamerbucket on Mar 29, 2017 3:31:33 GMT
So we should congratulate Bioware or EA on a good game?
Oh.. this is another "i hate this game thread, it's no W3 or ME1-3?"
My bad...
Its a good game.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 3:36:05 GMT
The irony is delicious? Do you know what irony is? Besides, in all seriousness, these are the unofficial forums. No one important is listening. Quite. Irony is accusing people on a fan forum of being fanboys. Of course they are. It's a fan forum. And you're right, no one may be listening...or they might. Several of the devs have accounts on this forum. Look, I don't care if people vent. If it helps them feel better, cool. They're not feeling the game, not everyone will. I get that. But raggin' on those who are enjoying the journey or don't feel the same? All of my "meh" at that point. I have never ragged on anyone for enjoying the game. I try not to invalidate someone's opinion either. Like you did.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 29, 2017 3:39:23 GMT
No, not all of it. I think there's a lot of political BS involved with having EA as your superiors in terms of having to focus test, account for the kind of audience or industry standards EA imposes. The whole fetch quest with mini maps and blips all over the map thing is a very common modern AAA thing and I doubt this is 100% BioWare's push. I think EA has a lot of superimposed requirements on BioWare's products. They just give BioWare "full creative freedom" within that, and within that I think we can debate whether BioWare's talent is up to snuff or not these days, but presumably I don't think it's a BioWare idea to make these games so Ubisoft-esque. I don't think the idea to shift to Frostbite was a happy BioWare decision either.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2017 3:43:28 GMT
Personally I'm beginning to think it's mostly a vocal minority of pissed off PC Master Race snobs that are upset that they paid a lot of money for all those high end graphic cards and updated their expensive rigs and find out it plays better on consoles. Can't blame them for thinking that better hardware should run games better. Fortunately, my PC is crappy enough that I don't have this problem.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 29, 2017 3:43:30 GMT
I work in a totally different field, but our parent company has many different divisions, so there are similarities to make comparisons. Corporate is corporate and they do worry about the "quarterly results" and absolutely WILL do the most stupid things to meet their projections. They don't fathom the damage their "right now" mindset often does. It can adversely effect quality and customer satisfaction which can destroy their own future sales. I have seen so many good people leave my workplace for similar corporate assholism. So, I still blame EA for pissing off good Devs until they leave and setting the budget lower than so many other projects. And what info do we have of ex bioware members mention EA on their exits? I don't recall Casey hudsen mentioning EA on his leave. I also remember two key members of leadership leaving soon as ME3 launched, could've sworn they just got tired of fan backlash and wanted to move into other projects in life, plus they had been at bioware for quite some time anyways so passion was fading. I can't speak for ex bioware members, but I'd love to see some of them mentioning it. Regardless I'm sure devs absolutely due have issues with their publishers time to time, the thing is if they truly disliked them, end the contract. People that make more than minimum wage dont burn their bridges on the way out the door. They are (usually) smart enough to be PC and say they are moving on to new challenges or some other happy bs. You never know when a company like EA will buy the one you moved to. You dont have to believe there is any way my life experiences can be paralleled to this. That's fine, you are entitled to disagree. I am just saying I have worked in a division of large global companies and the parent company calls the shots when it comes to big projects. BW was allotted so much by EA for each project and EA supplied the capital. That's how it works and the ones paying the bills have the final say like it or not. It's THEIR schedule. I worked for Mitsubishi years ago and now work for Amsted. Completely different industries but still parent companies controlling several divisions. Business economics is business economics.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2017 3:48:00 GMT
Right. How else could it work?
And there's a reason EA's still here while publishers who didn't maintain financial discipline are gone.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 3:51:21 GMT
No, not all of it. I think there's a lot of political BS involved with having EA as your superiors in terms of having to focus test, account for the kind of audience or industry standards EA imposes. The whole fetch quest with mini maps and blips all over the map thing is a very common modern AAA thing and I doubt this is 100% BioWare's push. I think EA has a lot of superimposed requirements on BioWare's products. They just give BioWare "full creative freedom" within that, and within that I think we can debate whether BioWare's talent is up to snuff or not these days, but presumably I don't think it's a BioWare idea to make these games so Ubisoft-esque. I don't think the idea to shift to Frostbite was a happy BioWare decision either. I know when they went to Frostbite it made economical sense. It's already owned. If anything, they still had their own, older engines like the modified one used for Dragon Age 2. Frostbite is way too pretty, though. Oh well...
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 29, 2017 3:52:20 GMT
Personally I'm beginning to think it's mostly a vocal minority of pissed off PC Master Race snobs that are upset that they paid a lot of money for all those high end graphic cards and updated their expensive rigs and find out it plays better on consoles. Can't blame them for thinking that better hardware should run games better. Fortunately, my PC is crappy enough that I don't have this problem. Wanna bet? I can and will blame them for constantly pushing graphics, impossible demand for high frame rates (that even films can't make look right), and that stupid U4K resolution that no one can't much of a difference, over everything else like great storytelling, control/gameplay, UI, level design, art design, music, and so on.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 29, 2017 3:52:22 GMT
Inquisition had a budget of 100+ million. Witcher 3 had a budget of 80 million. Andromeda... 40 million. That's where some of the bugs and stuff went because the rest of the game is up to its usual standards. Besides, mass effect 3 aside, ever since EA aquired Bioware they have been producing bigger, better games with higher quality production values. Games like Origin or the original Mass Effect were very clunky, buggy, and sometimes very frustrating to play. I'm beggining to suspect that EA may not really have wanted to make a new BW game given the ending mess but Bioware wanted to. It explains the shoe box budget compared to many of its contemporaries. And why DA got a huge budget... And MEA is still pretty awesome. about the mass effect 3 - wasn't there alot of hate etc about the ending, or that's what I read anyways. So I can understand that EA could have been hesitant on wanting another ME game be made but went head to do that for MEA I wonder what EA is thinking now of the reaction be it positive/negative for ME:A and I do agree that MEA is still pretty awesome, because I like it and all despite its flaws -just need to have more patches for it before any DLC if any is planned all we can do is guess... So lets do so anyways. Honestly as bad as this reaction is it is NOTHING compared to what happened during the endings. And while i don't have numbers in front of me i think the game did quite well despite its budget.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 3:53:50 GMT
If someone ties both hands behind your back and tells you to paint the mona lisa you're gonna have problems no matter how long you have. I don't blame bio and I think it's idiotic to do so. regardless of resources, funding all that stuff to place blame on the whole studio is insulting and childish, yeah i'm sure the foley artist or the dude designing the ui are to blame amirite, hey how 'bout HR or the interns... I'm sorry guys but come on grow up this crap is why gamers are still looked down on as immature neckbeards. How do you know EA kept Bioware's hands tied?
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Post by empirex on Mar 29, 2017 4:30:12 GMT
*shrug* EA is Bioware. This isn't some Respawn - EA relation where the company has independence and a say in their business or decisions. When I blame Bioware, I am blaming EA. The departments are all part of EA. Manveer Heir doesnt even work at Bioware anymore so why are we still acting as if he matters. Also if racist assholes are what makes bad products then I say you take a look at the many racist assholes in business... Competence is not linked with being an asshole. Last, we have the sensitive egos? You made a thread about how we are just "fanboys" for simply disagreeing with you. How is that fair? I understand you dislike the game but some of us disagree with that. For me, this is no where as bad as Ghost Recon Wildlands or Arkham Knight but I have to hear that somehow this is the WORST game of all time and other hyperbole and I'm a fanboy to disagree.
The fanboys were the ones negating all the criticisms and suggest like they were representing Bioware. I don't work for Bioware. I am a consumer and I raised my voice that some stuff needed to improve. It's frustrating as hell when they negate your criticism. That's trolling. Do you understand? You show me a fanboy and I'll show an irrational hater for all things Bioware. I agree that some people are too vehement in their defense of the game but it's natural reaction to the the complete hatred I have seen against it. Obviously both sides are extremes with the game being more than simply it's the worst ever or vice versa. Constructive feedback is what we need. However, don't lump other people that defend the game as just fanboys since it really is no better than people that mindlessly defend the game as you stated.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 4:35:36 GMT
The fanboys were the ones negating all the criticisms and suggest like they were representing Bioware. I don't work for Bioware. I am a consumer and I raised my voice that some stuff needed to improve. It's frustrating as hell when they negate your criticism. That's trolling. Do you understand? You show me a fanboy and I'll show an irrational hater for all things Bioware. I agree that some people are too vehement in their defense of the game but it's natural reaction to the the complete hatred I have seen against it. Obviously both sides are extremes with the game being more than simply it's the worst ever or vice versa. Constructive feedback is what we need. However, don't lump other people that defend the game as just fanboys since it really is no better than people that mindlessly defend the game as you stated. You're right. I'll edit the post.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 29, 2017 5:28:39 GMT
Maybe Bioware should have focused on making a great game and less time figuring out how to virtue signal and push their politics with it.
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Post by kino on Mar 29, 2017 5:59:09 GMT
Quite. Irony is accusing people on a fan forum of being fanboys. Of course they are. It's a fan forum. And you're right, no one may be listening...or they might. Several of the devs have accounts on this forum. Look, I don't care if people vent. If it helps them feel better, cool. They're not feeling the game, not everyone will. I get that. But raggin' on those who are enjoying the journey or don't feel the same? All of my "meh" at that point. I have never ragged on anyone for enjoying the game. I try not to invalidate someone's opinion either. Like you did. Nah, I wasn't invalidating your opinion. Just making fun of you for calling others fanboys on a fan site.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 29, 2017 6:56:18 GMT
*shrugs* Whatever you feel about it, I think this was the best Mass Effect to date. It needs some patches to fix the odd bugs with quests, and more work on facial animations, but that aside, I couldn't stop playing until I finished it. It's not Witcher 3 scope when it comes to storytelling (but certainly less bugs than Witcher 3 had at launch), but it definately was all I expected from the game. I can't see where all the complaints are coming from, it's a very solid game. There's more bugs in this game than any recent AAA game apart from maybe Assassin's Creed Unity. Stop talking nonsense. And just read any of the reviews less than 80% on metacritic if you're wondering about issues this game has. Don't bother, BW drones will suck up anything EA vomits out. So good on them!
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2017 7:03:47 GMT
There's more bugs in this game than any recent AAA game apart from maybe Assassin's Creed Unity. Stop talking nonsense. And just read any of the reviews less than 80% on metacritic if you're wondering about issues this game has. Don't bother, BW drones will suck up anything EA vomits out. So good on them! Stop with the personal attacks. You don't like the game, that's fine. But don't go attacking everyone because they hold a different view than yours.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 29, 2017 7:06:30 GMT
Don't bother, BW drones will suck up anything EA vomits out. So good on them! Stop with the personal attacks. You don't like the game, that's fine. But don't go attacking everyone because they hold a different view than yours. Eh, what personal attack? I'm simply discuss a new variation of Stockholm syndrome. How is that personal attack?
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 29, 2017 7:10:04 GMT
Feel like EA still kinda needs to be blamed, because they more or less assimilate the different Bioware studios into their financial agenda(s), which essentially removes all freedom for Bioware to do things how and when they want to do things. "Hmm, I think we need 6 more months of QA on Andromeda" "No! We need this to release to NOW to pad our financial quarter for the year" "....Yes master" - This is why Bioware is a shell of their old self. Founders have bailed, and most of the talented devs have bailed. Who wants to deal with this on a daily basis? It was probably a lot more like "So when is MEA coming out? We have our shareholder meetings and need to give some concrete updates." "We can hit Q3 for sure. As long as this year we spent working on procedurally generated planets doesn't go to waste!" "Sounds great" later... "Uh hey, so we can't hit Q3 like we promised. We had to throw away all that time and money you gave us on procedurally generated planets" "Well, we still need it for fiscal 2016 so you have until the end of Q4. The board promised the shareholders this and we aren't losing our jobs for you." *Bioware sweats loudly*
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