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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:04:46 GMT
EA is EA. They're money-grubbing parasites, but they have the financial means to uphold a studio. Four years and $40 million on an unpolished, AAA title? Bioware blew it. They had a chance to remove themselves from the mass disappointing ending from ME3 and instead recycled the same story. And to Manveer Heir: I would love to meet you in person. You need a hug and lots of therapy.
HOW MANY LEADS DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS CRAP? Too many. They all washed their hands of this.
It's a rant guys.
Also, an apology. I've been away from the real world for about a year and I'm a little out of touch with lingo. When I say real world, my only friend for sometimes for a week at a time, is my company phone and of course, it's just a basic phone. Anyway, I was still feeling the sting from the toxic apologists crying "Nothing is wrong with the game" and yet I have screenshots of Inquisition constantly breaking on the official forums. This core group is not like that. I see a lot of old posters, like myself, are here, including some who were banned for petty stuff. Which is nuts, in my case. I said more stuff in hyperbole than many other forum folks and never even got a warning. To all those who think I have a personal grudge with Bioware, you're wrong. I owe Bioware several years of my life thanks to it's rich storytelling, music and action. I won't get into it, but nobody (in my opinion) can package together a complete ensemble of greatness like Bioware. Of course, I know (and many of you know) that's in the past, but I am still hopeful. The franchises are still alive, it just needs passion, soul, love and care like any other beloved franchise. Mistakes are made. Bad choices on top of bad choices can turn franchises into complete and utter messes like the prequel trilogy of Star Wars. Yes, it's a matter of taste, but there is no denying that quality is no longer an attribute Bioware can hang their hat on. It's my opinion, at it's heartfelt.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 29, 2017 1:12:35 GMT
Feel like EA still kinda needs to be blamed, because they more or less assimilate the different Bioware studios into their financial agenda(s), which essentially removes all freedom for Bioware to do things how and when they want to do things.
"Hmm, I think we need 6 more months of QA on Andromeda"
"No! We need this to release to NOW to pad our financial quarter for the year"
"....Yes master"
- This is why Bioware is a shell of their old self. Founders have bailed, and most of the talented devs have bailed. Who wants to deal with this on a daily basis?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 29, 2017 1:13:30 GMT
I feel using the publishers as a scapegoat gets overused to often. All I ever hear is "EA this" or "Microsoft that", "Ubisoft this and that" and I can go on. The publisher may set the deadlines but ultimately they're not the ones making the game so I agree, bioware can share the blame on what didn't go right, and honestly there's various reasons to blame them. They're inexperience (they have been known as a rookie team with Montreal) can play a part in not polishing it up as well, having people fill in for guys who left in the middle of a project not able to carry the weight and continue on (there were some big name people so left in middle of development) but that's literally a natural part of game development, it happens and the best devs are able to get around those issues (maybe not so much if your staff is quite green as you're going to see proof they're quite new). Design choices are also on bioware as well as who they hire to be their writers, animators, etc etc.
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Post by empirex on Mar 29, 2017 1:26:15 GMT
EA is EA. They're money-grubbing parasites, but they have the financial means to uphold a studio. Four years and $40 million on an unpolished, AAA title? Bioware blew it. They had a chance to remove themselves from the mass disappointing ending from ME3 and instead recycled the same story. And to Manveer Heir: I would love to meet you in person. You need a hug and lots of therapy. HOW MANY LEADS DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS CRAP? Too many. They all washed their hands of this. It's a rant guys. All you fanboys with your sensitive egos... just tolerate me like I tolerate you. Hey, sometimes you're right and I completely agree with you. *shrug* EA is Bioware. This isn't some Respawn - EA relation where the company has independence and a say in their business or decisions. When I blame Bioware, I am blaming EA. The departments are all part of EA. Manveer Heir doesnt even work at Bioware anymore so why are we still acting as if he matters. Also if racist assholes are what makes bad products then I say you take a look at the many racist assholes in business... Competence is not linked with being an asshole. Last, we have the sensitive egos? You made a thread about how we are just "fanboys" for simply disagreeing with you. How is that fair? I understand you dislike the game but some of us disagree with that. For me, this is no where as bad as Ghost Recon Wildlands or Arkham Knight but I have to hear that somehow this is the WORST game of all time and other hyperbole and I'm a fanboy to disagree.
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Post by Eshaye on Mar 29, 2017 1:29:10 GMT
Feel like EA still kinda needs to be blamed, because they more or less assimilate the different Bioware studios into their financial agenda(s), which essentially removes all freedom for Bioware to do things how and when they want to do things. Nope. As much as I love Bioware. They done and fucked up. And I hope they know it. What you said may have had weight for Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3. But as both of these had intense back lash, Bioware was able to negotiate for more time for future titles. Dragon Age Inquisition made good use of it. Andromeda? Screwed the pooch too many times. Too much not knowing where to go after ME3 and how, and then wasting a FULL YEAR on trying to make planets auto generate? ... -.- ....
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Post by ravenous on Mar 29, 2017 1:30:30 GMT
EA is EA. They're money-grubbing parasites, but they have the financial means to uphold a studio. Four years and $40 million on an unpolished, AAA title? Bioware blew it. They had a chance to remove themselves from the mass disappointing ending from ME3 and instead recycled the same story. And to Manveer Heir: I would love to meet you in person. You need a hug and lots of therapy. HOW MANY LEADS DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS CRAP? Too many. They all washed their hands of this. It's a rant guys. All you fanboys with your sensitive egos... just tolerate me like I tolerate you. Hey, sometimes you're right and I completely agree with you. EA is bioware simple as that, you want to know why because EA owns bioware and when you blame bioware you are also blaming EA. EA has just as much to answer for as bioware does because again bioware is EA, since EA own bioware - Bioware and EA are the same company now
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 29, 2017 1:31:37 GMT
Yes, EA did her part. 5 years is more than enough to make a solid, polished game. Bioware was just not capable of doing that.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:33:00 GMT
I feel using the publishers as a scapegoat gets overused to often. All I ever hear is "EA this" or "Microsoft that", "Ubisoft this and that" and I can go on. The publisher may set the deadlines but ultimately they're not the ones making the game so I agree, bioware can share the blame on what didn't go right, and honestly there's various reasons to blame them. They're inexperience (they have been known as a rookie team with Montreal) can play a part in not polishing it up as well, having people fill in for guys who left in the middle of a project not able to carry the weight and continue on (there were some big name people so left in middle of development) but that's literally a natural part of game development, it happens and the best devs are able to get around those issues (maybe not so much if your staff is quite green as you're going to see proof they're quite new). Design choices are also on bioware as well as who they hire to be their writers, animators, etc etc. All valid points. Their HR is a complete mess. They're basically there to keep EA out of courtrooms and don't care about being... you know... Human Resources. Four years or even five years?!? And they didn't have time to polish it? They couldn't figure out the scope and what the real limitations were? Bioware is scared out of their minds and they take such petty strategies like shutting down their own forums. Spineless. They're throwing Montreal under the bus and Edmonton's office and EA is still hoping to soothe corporate with a rosy bottom line. See you Bioware. You're on the same path as the studios that have been gutted before you. I cannot believe I'm defending EA. I'm having a stroke...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:37:35 GMT
EA is EA. They're money-grubbing parasites, but they have the financial means to uphold a studio. Four years and $40 million on an unpolished, AAA title? Bioware blew it. They had a chance to remove themselves from the mass disappointing ending from ME3 and instead recycled the same story. And to Manveer Heir: I would love to meet you in person. You need a hug and lots of therapy. HOW MANY LEADS DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS CRAP? Too many. They all washed their hands of this. It's a rant guys. All you fanboys with your sensitive egos... just tolerate me like I tolerate you. Hey, sometimes you're right and I completely agree with you. *shrug* EA is Bioware. This isn't some Respawn - EA relation where the company has independence and a say in their business or decisions. When I blame Bioware, I am blaming EA. The departments are all part of EA. Manveer Heir doesnt even work at Bioware anymore so why are we still acting as if he matters. Also if racist assholes are what makes bad products then I say you take a look at the many racist assholes in business... Competence is not linked with being an asshole. Last, we have the sensitive egos? You made a thread about how we are just "fanboys" for simply disagreeing with you. How is that fair? I understand you dislike the game but some of us disagree with that. For me, this is no where as bad as Ghost Recon Wildlands or Arkham Knight but I have to hear that somehow this is the WORST game of all time and other hyperbole and I'm a fanboy to disagree.
The fanboys were the ones negating all the criticisms and suggest like they were representing Bioware. I don't work for Bioware. I am a consumer and I raised my voice that some stuff needed to improve. It's frustrating as hell when they negate your criticism. That's trolling. Do you understand?
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Post by suikoden on Mar 29, 2017 1:39:08 GMT
One thing to keep in mind, if there was no EA, do you think Bioware would be working on 2-3 projects at once? Do you think they'd give Mass Effect, their baby, to an unproven "C" team? These sorts of decisions wouldn't happen if there was no EA.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:41:26 GMT
There are people, fans like myself of the franchise, that praise and criticize. Believe me, I still like comments (though I may not agree with them) because it's well thought out.
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Post by Wintermist on Mar 29, 2017 1:43:20 GMT
*shrugs* Whatever you feel about it, I think this was the best Mass Effect to date. It needs some patches to fix the odd bugs with quests, and more work on facial animations, but that aside, I couldn't stop playing until I finished it. It's not Witcher 3 scope when it comes to storytelling (but certainly less bugs than Witcher 3 had at launch), but it definately was all I expected from the game. I can't see where all the complaints are coming from, it's a very solid game.
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Post by ravenous on Mar 29, 2017 1:45:53 GMT
Bioware is EA because Bioware is a department of EA, and saying that its not EA's fault is just plain dumb, you blame bioware you blame EA because bioware is EA since EA owns bioware - You can't blame one without the other
Of course in my opinion this is the best mass effect game to date and despite its problems it is still quite enjoyable
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:46:09 GMT
Feel like EA still kinda needs to be blamed, because they more or less assimilate the different Bioware studios into their financial agenda(s), which essentially removes all freedom for Bioware to do things how and when they want to do things. "Hmm, I think we need 6 more months of QA on Andromeda" "No! We need this to release to NOW to pad our financial quarter for the year" "....Yes master" - This is why Bioware is a shell of their old self. Founders have bailed, and most of the talented devs have bailed. Who wants to deal with this on a daily basis? I know, but when they give you much more time than previous titles and Frostbite (REGARDLESS OF MONTREAL'S EXPERIENCE) has been around for at least two titles. No excuses for me.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 29, 2017 1:47:40 GMT
*shrugs* Whatever you feel about it, I think this was the best Mass Effect to date. It needs some patches to fix the odd bugs with quests, and more work on facial animations, but that aside, I couldn't stop playing until I finished it. It's not Witcher 3 scope when it comes to storytelling (but certainly less bugs than Witcher 3 had at launch), but it definately was all I expected from the game. I can't see where all the complaints are coming from, it's a very solid game. There's more bugs in this game than any recent AAA game apart from maybe Assassin's Creed Unity. Stop talking nonsense. And just read any of the reviews less than 80% on metacritic if you're wondering about issues this game has.
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Post by Wintermist on Mar 29, 2017 1:49:00 GMT
*shrugs* Whatever you feel about it, I think this was the best Mass Effect to date. It needs some patches to fix the odd bugs with quests, and more work on facial animations, but that aside, I couldn't stop playing until I finished it. It's not Witcher 3 scope when it comes to storytelling (but certainly less bugs than Witcher 3 had at launch), but it definately was all I expected from the game. I can't see where all the complaints are coming from, it's a very solid game. There's more bugs in this game than any recent AAA game apart from maybe Assassin's Creed Unity. Stop talking nonsense. And just read any of the reviews less than 80% on metacritic if you're wondering about issues this game has. Well, I speak from having actually played it myself to the very end. 123 hours in the game so far, and first playthrough I spent 100+ hours on, 92% completion. I know what bugs I encountered.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:49:12 GMT
Bioware is EA because Bioware is a department of EA, and saying that its not EA's fault is just plain dumb, you blame bioware you blame EA because bioware is EA since EA owns bioware - You can't blame one without the other Four years in development? You have to praise EA for that. You're right about Bioware being all EA. It's DICEware. So what's the new development cycle going to be this next time around? EA is not going to wait four years.
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Post by ravenous on Mar 29, 2017 1:49:36 GMT
Feel like EA still kinda needs to be blamed, because they more or less assimilate the different Bioware studios into their financial agenda(s), which essentially removes all freedom for Bioware to do things how and when they want to do things. "Hmm, I think we need 6 more months of QA on Andromeda" "No! We need this to release to NOW to pad our financial quarter for the year" "....Yes master" - This is why Bioware is a shell of their old self. Founders have bailed, and most of the talented devs have bailed. Who wants to deal with this on a daily basis? I know, but when they give you much more time than previous titles and Frostbite (REGARDLESS OF MONTREAL'S EXPERIENCE) has been around for at least two titles. No excuses for me. no I don't think you understand it at all bioware is owned by EA, bioware is EA and if you blame bioware you are blaming EA simple as that and not that diffcult to understand. Because bioware again is EA since EA owns bioware - bioware and EA is one and the same, in the same company
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Post by colfoley on Mar 29, 2017 1:51:21 GMT
Inquisition had a budget of 100+ million.
Witcher 3 had a budget of 80 million.
Andromeda... 40 million.
That's where some of the bugs and stuff went because the rest of the game is up to its usual standards.
Besides, mass effect 3 aside, ever since EA aquired Bioware they have been producing bigger, better games with higher quality production values. Games like Origin or the original Mass Effect were very clunky, buggy, and sometimes very frustrating to play.
I'm beggining to suspect that EA may not really have wanted to make a new BW game given the ending mess but Bioware wanted to. It explains the shoe box budget compared to many of its contemporaries. And why DA got a huge budget...
And MEA is still pretty awesome.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 29, 2017 1:53:14 GMT
I know, but when they give you much more time than previous titles and Frostbite (REGARDLESS OF MONTREAL'S EXPERIENCE) has been around for at least two titles. No excuses for me. no I don't think you understand it at all bioware is owned by EA, bioware is EA and if you blame bioware you are blaming EA simple as that and not that diffcult to understand. Because bioware again is EA since EA owns bioware - bioware and EA is one and the same, in the same company Okay, I blame EA. I praise EA for allowing four years of development. I blame Bioware and EA for Bioware for all the embarrassment this game caused.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 1:55:01 GMT
It's an EA studio and EA is the publisher. That's easy to answer since it can only be EA. lol I think this kind of talk is like being an armchair football executive. You don't really know how that type of organization is run, and you don't know the inner-workings of that organization either. It doesn't mean a whole lot, you know?
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Post by suikoden on Mar 29, 2017 1:56:12 GMT
Inquisition had a budget of 100+ million. Witcher 3 had a budget of 80 million. Andromeda... 40 million. That's where some of the bugs and stuff went because the rest of the game is up to its usual standards. Besides, mass effect 3 aside, ever since EA aquired Bioware they have been producing bigger, better games with higher quality production values. Games like Origin or the original Mass Effect were very clunky, buggy, and sometimes very frustrating to play. I'm beggining to suspect that EA may not really have wanted to make a new BW game given the ending mess but Bioware wanted to. It explains the shoe box budget compared to many of its contemporaries. And why DA got a huge budget... And MEA is still pretty awesome. Witcher 3 had a production budget of 32 million bro. Andromeda had a production budget of 40 million. Witcher 3 spent 35 mill on advertising, and the remaining 14 million was spent on expansion production and advertising. Stop spewing fake numbers to make BioWare look competent.
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Post by commandercole5 on Mar 29, 2017 1:56:16 GMT
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Post by ravenous on Mar 29, 2017 1:56:47 GMT
Inquisition had a budget of 100+ million. Witcher 3 had a budget of 80 million. Andromeda... 40 million. That's where some of the bugs and stuff went because the rest of the game is up to its usual standards. Besides, mass effect 3 aside, ever since EA aquired Bioware they have been producing bigger, better games with higher quality production values. Games like Origin or the original Mass Effect were very clunky, buggy, and sometimes very frustrating to play. I'm beggining to suspect that EA may not really have wanted to make a new BW game given the ending mess but Bioware wanted to. It explains the shoe box budget compared to many of its contemporaries. And why DA got a huge budget... And MEA is still pretty awesome. about the mass effect 3 - wasn't there alot of hate etc about the ending, or that's what I read anyways. So I can understand that EA could have been hesitant on wanting another ME game be made but went head to do that for MEA I wonder what EA is thinking now of the reaction be it positive/negative for ME:A and I do agree that MEA is still pretty awesome, because I like it and all despite its flaws -just need to have more patches for it before any DLC if any is planned
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