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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 4, 2017 6:28:55 GMT
Nope. They needed him to come in to try and trap him they tied it in with the story. The Kadara version should have been like this. No guns. Fuck you. Get out What do we do now Pathfinder? A. Gain the Krogans loyalty again for Nexus. B. Team up with the collective. C. Do both. Let Goody Ryder go the other route. Actually, he didn't really need to do anything. He was just being greedy. But really, the Warden was being stupid too. He allowed Shepard and team to remain fully armed, and then warns Shepard before sending a small group of guys to get them from that little bottleneck hallway. Anyway, what kind of quest line are we really looking at in that alternative? The Collective base is in a faraway cave on the other end of the map (I found it totally by accident searching for a surveyor), and the krogan are on a different planet. Seems like a lot of running around just to get the location of a transponder. If you got kicked out of Kadara port, how would you even know there was such a thing as the Collective? From an in world perspective sure. But if youve accounted for the renegade path (because its not a simple prompt and let me in button.) You could easily have stealth ops meet Reyes to get you in to the port in secret and (redacted) bring the Krogan back with the collective and either seize kadara or intimidate sloane. Shes already lost to the Krogan once and running from one side of the map to the other, planet to planet is andromedas thing why not give us a good reason to be doing it.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 10:24:56 GMT
So the only reaction that you can think of outside a boy-scout role is start shooting people? kek is on you then.... How about more natural response, like kicking that filthy scavenger in the face with a boot while he crouching there over a corpse? That is the first natural thing to do for anyone in that situation... Probably would put them in place, especially considering Krogan behind Ryders back, but hey! No,no,no, no renegade, no "sociopath", just keel over to everyone you meet, because you playing a smiling 22 y.o. moron without balls who accidentaly happened to be responsible for 20000 ppl in the ark and more on the nexus. So when you see scavengers going through a fresh corpse, you should come and tell them.... that scavenging is bad. Im sure Ryder senior was regretting at that moment for putting helmet on Ryder jr. back on Habitat 7. But seriously, whoever wrote that idiotic dialogue in BW deserves a facepalm.... with a boot... as well as those saying that dialogues in Andromeda are ok. I guess all of you played a goodie two shoes Sheps in original trilogy. Always blue lines, always with a smile, because world is all rainbows and pink unicorn poop. Except everything isn't treated like pink unicorn poop because Ryder can kill unarmed/harmless people. If your complaint is that Ryder only has two extremes, be nice and be murderous then that's fine but don't then try to pretend like Ryder is too whitebread for this existence since that's demonstrably not the case. I suppose my real hang up with this isn't with the idea, more with its proponents. Like, I know people enjoy self-inserts and power fantasies but the whole "URGH WHERE'S YOUR T KID?!?" thing going on in this thread reads like a mid-level bureaucrat desperately needing to headbutt a krogan cuz they need a safe outlet for what they want to do to their boss. More middling violence when it's sensible like kicking a scavenger in the face? Sure, why not. Headbutting a diplomat because they dared to impugn on your towering masculinity? No, that's dumb. The only place that flies is power fantasies sans any kind of consequences or internal logic and that's not really the kind of game I'm into. And thats exactly the problem with Ryder - he is inconsistent as a character. He acts like a doormat for 98% of the game, but then out of the blue he gets like 5 events where he can shoot somebody in cold blood, or grab by the collar and hiss about whose ship and rules there are - that is completely out of character and doesnt make sense, especially in the context of the scavenger scene. As for power fantasies - what that has to do with wanting Ryder to behave more appropriately, or normally in other words, in some situations, instead of being forced a doormat role onto us as players? Nobody asks to headbutt diplomat, but when somebody tells you to f* off and laugh in your face while in no position to do so, and really unprovoked either, and your only response can be either swallowing it or mumbling like 5 years old than swallowing it - that's just pathetic. A so called "renegade" choice in that situation has nothing to do with bad morality, power fantasies or anything, it would be a normal reaction considering circumstances. Yet instead we being forced into a liberal keel_over_and_spread_your_buttcheeks reaction to any conflict. Let me tell you a real life story: Some hobo-looking dude had shoved my 3 y.o. out of the store door last summer, virtually sending him flying outside. Kid didn't bumped into him or anything, was just walking in the middle of the door, neither did hobo shoved him by accident. So when I tried to stop and talked to him, while my Mrs was tending my crying son, he told me to f*off and tried to continue going, just sort of like those scavs in the scene. So by game definition of good I should've just swallow it and smile, waving my hand at him, because you know - renegade is bad and all that blahblah nonsense. But you know what? I introduced his mug to my fist. There were other ppl around who saw what happened, but somewhy nobody thought of me being a bad immoral renegade sociopath - some ppl stopped and asked if I and my kid were ok, then there was that big black parking security guard who came running and told hobo-dude to get the hell out and never come back. So in all the essence I was a good guy there and everyone who saw what happened acknowledged it, despite that from seemingly your perspective it was supposedly an immoral sociopathic renegade powerplay, and I should be headbutting random ppl in my freetime. So the point is - ppl that say that Ryder acts and feels like a doormat do not ask for turning him into sociopathic powerflexing killing machine that goes around headbutting everything that moves. Ppl just want an ability to react to certain game events in more reasonable way, where reason dictates a necessity of good proverbial headbutt.
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