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Post by riou on Mar 21, 2017 0:07:38 GMT
I think I understand now. His romance is locked with RNG. You have 5% chance for him to be bi.
I hate this marketing strategy. I think this is starting to beat "Let fans vote for Fem Shep's look" in terms of incoherent and plain dumb. At least that had good intentions behind it this is just a fucking mess. I'm legit about to say ME3 was CLEAN compared to this fucking storm.
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Post by riou on Mar 21, 2017 0:03:54 GMT
I think I understand now. His romance is locked with RNG. You have 5% chance for him to be bi.
I swear to fucking god if this is bait I will burn Bioware to the fucking ground.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 23:59:33 GMT
Erm... guys? I really REALLY don't want to revive the flames of rage, but there's a new small piece of contradictory info. Sorry if this has been posted before. Will this ever end? The amount of salt I would take this information with is absurd. Mt. Everest doesn't even begin to describe it. What's the highest mountain period? Like in our solar system?
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 23:40:11 GMT
Do I have to resort to fanfiction? Like, I almost wrote M!Shep/Garrus back in the day because otherwise it didn't exist, but I want characters to be accurate to their own personality and I felt I could never do Garrus justice.
So am I going to have to do that for Jaal now too?
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 23:03:09 GMT
Personally I would change this to "friendship ended with Mass Effect, now Dragon Age is my friend". Problem is I dislike fantasy most of the time.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:15 GMT
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:50:27 GMT
I wonder how many people will be predisposed to dislike Jaal because of this. Knowing that Jacob cheated on you before I played ME2 made me instantly dislike him as a character before I even played the game. I'm not saying I won't like Jaal, but this hole thing has left a sour taste in my mouth. Honestly? Jaal's character is really nice. Really, really nice, from everything I've seen so far. The fact he's Garrus 2.0 (Seriously Bioware? Fucking seriously?) just sours me to the company. And the fact I will once again have to play a girl to get the alien of my dreams. AGAIN.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:45:54 GMT
I've raised an official complaint with ea that the achievement is unavailable for gay men, I suggest others do as well. This isn't acceptable. This. There's only TWO options. Straight and Lesbian Ryders don't have to stray off the path to earn the achievement but gay men do. What the fucking hell.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:41:37 GMT
A bi Jaal mod really doesn't fix much because, from a gaming perspective, the game will never acknowledge or react to your relationship as it truly is (and imagine if this becomes a trilogy or something, so three games of modded scraps). And from a (dare I say it) political perspective, the glaring insult to gay men still stands. Bioware invited you to their birthday party and told you you can only have cake if you sit at a different fucking table to everyone else. Don't forget that. Not, but I'm feeling vindictive as fuck. If I have to mod an entire series of games to do it I will do it.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:36:49 GMT
If they didn't delete the audio files for it. IIRC, people have only been able to find one Scott/Jaal line in audio form so far, right? Worst case scenario would be silent audio, like the trilogy :/ also might be awkward if Jaal ever refers to Ryder as a woman At this point I've stopped caring. If they're going to bait the m/m fanbase and actually lock us out of an entire achievement because we won't play outside their boxThen the number of hoops I have to jump through doesn't matter anymore.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:30:57 GMT
I believe that's what we'd already thought, the flirt just never happens. I assume as a long con so that I, personally, couldn't cancel my pre-order in time after the theoretical rejection line was found and posted by reviewers. Well, I won't lie. This is the first time I have been seriously tempted to withdraw my pre-order even though it's literally the day of release (the game unlocks for me at 9pm PDT), but since I told myself I wouldn't do that, I won't. But this pisses me off.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:27:41 GMT
Alright then! Who wants to put together an effort to find someone to create a Bi Jaal mod and rub in the dev's faces or something.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:25:07 GMT
So, I'm talking to someone who was equally invested in Jaal. Here's a real kicker, IF it's true:
It's not that Scott gets rejected if you try and flirt with Jaal.
Apparently the flirt option doesn't even appear in the first place. Scott can't even TRY to flirt with him.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:17:06 GMT
According to the Prima Guide, huh? Yeah, I'm back to "I'll see it with my own eyes." For a laugh, google "Prime Guide errors." I'm willing to bet that the guide is correct, but I've seen Prima Guides get it wrong before. I'm not going to write to BioWare until it's 100% confirmed. I've dealt with one too many Prime Guides that had serious errors in them before. I don't take them at face value. I know better. They still screw up sometimes. The most recent was Prima screwing up a guide in 2016. Does that mean Jaal is straight? Probably. However, nothing is confirmed until we see it with our own eyes, or we get full videos. None of this "well my friend said X" or "Well, the Guide says Y." We have less than 8 hours to go. Then, if Jaal is still straight, I'll be busting out my google doc. By the way, this? This isn't Hell. If I was Hell, I wouldn't be here. I'm in too good of a mood. I missed you Nat. I'm feeling really upset right now.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:11:38 GMT
...Okay. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but something in the datamine thread is confusing me.
Apparently there IS an audio file of Scott saying "I love you too, Jaal." Unless Bioware is legit going to try and claim that the line is being said in a platonic context, I'm now angry and confused.
So the audio does exist, but he's straight??
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:09:22 GMT
He is, don't worry. The audio files have Scott saying "I love you too, Jaal". At this point im sold but it still sucks we cant find any scott lines, but then again its saving me from spoilers lmao Wait. Are you absolutely certain that audio file exists?
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:08:05 GMT
Yeah, once again, being a gay male gamer sucks. I get more options in fucking Dragon Age of all things than Mass Effect.
I am actually legit pissed. I'm going to play the game and all but the fact that gay male gamers can't even earn the romance achievement without resorting to having to jump outside our own preference is making me furious.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:00:11 GMT
Hey guys. I had to take yesterday off to spend time with the husband. Well, only about 8 hours to go. Did I miss anything? Vetra is bi...but Jaal is apparently straight. Prima guide "confirms" it, and the one person who stated he was bi apparently misinterpreted their relationship.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 21:54:39 GMT
Okay. I stand corrected. Horribly corrected. I sat here trying to be calm and assumed that the code couldn't be contradicted.
And I'm wrong. Like, I was holding out hope for something. But no, gay male gamers get the rug yanked out from under them yet AGAIN.
I mean...this doesn't make any sense at all. None.
I dunno, at this point I just feel empty because I was defending things tooth and nail and then this happens.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 15:39:01 GMT
And said "confirmations" were in the form of cinematic trailers, which, in the franchise's track record, always reveal at least one m/f romance anyway. And yet people are acting like Bioware murdered their friends and family. We... aren't? Like yeah im not getting my hopes up but casual reminder I still dropped 100 canadian dollars on this game. Again, who gives you, a straight person, the right to define a) gay perspectives on the game and homophobia? I'm gay, just so you know.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 15:35:32 GMT
I said thinly veiled, implying there is a veil over it People saying that BioWare doesn't care about m/m or f/f romances, are "hiding" them from the marketing material, and so on Dude... that's literally what they're doing. The only romances they confirmed were M/F. Why are The Straights like this And said "confirmations" were in the form of cinematic trailers, which, in the franchise's track record, always reveal at least one m/f romance anyway. And yet people are acting like Bioware murdered their friends and family.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 15:32:00 GMT
You haven't been paying attention then. They have refused to answer anything related to m/m romances. The teasing has been exclusively about m/f and f/f content. Anytime someone even hinted at m/m content we got the "wait and see" or "we want you to explore and discover" bullshit. So, which is it? Are you intentionally twisting facts to suit your story, or are you really having this much trouble with this? and you guys consistently group think yourselves into wild conspiracy theories and thinly veiled accusations of homophobia Normally I think Steelcan is a bit too harsh in his criticisms, but for once I agree. Everyone (speaking generally about this thread) is flying in a panic, and/or attributing pretty much everything that seems off/wrong to malice on Bioware's part. To the point of absurdity.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 11:21:49 GMT
By that logic, every game with romance options should always tell everyone who can and can't be romanced in advance. Even as a gay person, I strongly disagree with that idea on a lot of levels. I don't see the issue. I like knowing what I'm getting into. Maybe you don't, but, personally, I avoid nasty surprises. If I go into a game being told there's romances but they're cagey about which ones are gay or even whether it has gay, I'm gonna end up assuming the worst unless I have faith in the writers from previous projects. That may sound cynical, but I've been let down too many times regarding LGBT media. Then wait until the game is already out and you know for certain? I mean if the romance options carry that much weight with regards to your decision to purchase, then the best answer would simply be to wait and see.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 11:20:13 GMT
And it's important to other people to minimize what information they ingest. And considering how laughably easy it is for someone to accidentally come across spoilers? Again, I think Bioware was fine with saying nothing. If you're posting in a romance thread in the spoiler forum, you're probably not trying very hard, bro. lol No, I knew what I was getting into. In this instance I deliberately chose to find out. I was already going to get the game either way, so knowing had no impact on my purchase. It was the same with ME2. I didn't know going in that Garrus was an option. I was going to buy the game regardless of that fact. Finding out didn't change anything with regards to the decision to purchase the game.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 11:16:23 GMT
By that logic, every game with romance options should always tell everyone who can and can't be romanced in advance. Even as a gay person, I strongly disagree with that idea on a lot of levels. Sure, if the game has a popular romance system, they should announce it. If you don't want to know, just avoid it. It's not that hard. If it isn't information you want, you don't have to read it. It's important to other people when deciding to make a purchase. I don't see why you'd care if other people get information that's important to their purchase. And it's important to other people to minimize what information they ingest. And considering how laughably easy it is for someone to accidentally come across spoilers? Again, I think Bioware was fine with saying nothing.
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