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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 4:03:18 GMT
I like Liam a lot, personally. He's one of my favorite characters. I guess it's just a personality that you either like or you don't, because he's not as tied into the plot as like Jaal is. For me he is exactly like my ex-boyfriends I dumped. I guess I preferred older men even then. Sadly there are none my age in the game. Jaal comes closest since he's 27. Fair enough. It's never great when a character reminds you of an ex. lol I didn't even know the ages for everyone were stated. I wanted to know how old Reyes is, but it's probably not available, since he's not squad.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 3:59:09 GMT
My favorite ones are Legion, Mordin, Kaidan, Drack.. maybe Vega. And Reyes. Not squad, but should be. I don't really hate anyone in Mass Effect, so I feel like it would just be a handful in the upper tier and then everyone else in no particular order. I definitely feel way more strongly for or against Dragon age characters. Mass Effect characters I'm usually pretty "meh" about either way.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 3:46:49 GMT
So I finally did find the collective hideout, after you do a mission there you can talk with Reyes after. It's not much just like one line but still, I'll take any extra lines haha. The line "the Charlatan seems to really like you" line did make me blush like a fool though. LOL Although I would not be surprised if that was already included when you first stumble on the base. My true question is Why did Reyes let the Collective members shoot at the Pathfinder?
I understand the need for secrecy and the whole "if they knew the Charlatan dug you, and I'm dating you, then they'd put two and two together thing." But these assholes chased me through the badlands with a vengeance.
He could've at least told them to back off or that he wanted to befriend the Pathfinder, so they wouldn't try to kill me at every turn. LOL The Asari at the Collective base says the ones shooting at you haven't gotten the order yet to stand down. You can say something to her like, "not all the Collective feel that way", when she says they're under orders not to hurt you. She says something like "we're a large organization, some likely haven't heard that order yet". Basically, they're saying it hasn't reached everyone stationed out in the badlands, but really it's just a lame game mechanics vs story plot hole, I'm pretty sure. It was kind of weird that line played for me, anyway, because the Collective WASN'T shooting at me by time I got there. lol
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 3:28:00 GMT
I like Liam a lot, personally. He's one of my favorite characters. I guess it's just a personality that you either like or you don't, because he's not as tied into the plot as like Jaal is. I don't dislike him, I just can't find an interesting molecule in him. Well, I also liked Kaidan, so there's that.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 3:25:40 GMT
I like Liam a lot, personally. He's one of my favorite characters. I guess it's just a personality that you either like or you don't, because he's not as tied into the plot as like Jaal is.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 3:20:17 GMT
I'm going to assume we keep Ryder, just listing romances, this is what I would do: (Squad) Bi - Human female KISA type. (Squad) Bi - Vetra, returning romance. (Crew) Straight - Pretty blond girl, Yeoman roll. Josephine type romance. (Crew) Lesbian - Some kind of research specialist connected to the main plot, maybe remnant. Human? (Squad) Bi - Reyes, returning romance. (Squad) Straight - Jaal, returning romance. (Squad) Gay - Quarian tech expert. Romance NOT related to sexuality.(Crew) Bi - Weapons specialist, or maybe a new engineer. Typical Turian male. I realize they're not perfectly split, but I don't think it's possible to fit 2/4/2 inside the squad and I tried to balance it against the imbalance this time, so it favors straight women/gay men a little, but not even close to the current gap. If everyone here was re-purposed as squad, I wouldn't complain, for sure. lol Just make the straight girl a biotic type, lesbian an engineer (or maybe infiltrator exploring ruins?) and bi Turian a soldier type. Would work fine. Yeah, at this point it's become my one request for a gay romance. This is where my expectations are now. Just anything but this. How many gay issues could even be left? lol
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 3:13:17 GMT
I'm going to assume we keep Ryder, just listing romances, this is what I would do:
(Squad) Bi - Human female KISA type. (Squad) Bi - Vetra, returning romance. (Crew) Straight - Pretty blond girl, Yeoman roll. Josephine type romance. (Crew) Lesbian - Some kind of research specialist connected to the main plot, maybe remnant. Human?
(Squad) Bi - Reyes, returning romance. (Squad) Straight - Jaal, returning romance. (Squad) Gay - Quarian tech expert. Romance NOT related to sexuality. (Crew) Bi - Weapons specialist, or maybe a new engineer. Typical Turian male.
I realize they're not perfectly split, but I don't think it's possible to fit 2/4/2 inside the squad and I tried to balance it against the imbalance this time, so it favors straight women/gay men a little, but not even close to the current gap. If everyone here was re-purposed as squad, I wouldn't complain, for sure. lol Just make the straight girl a biotic type, lesbian an engineer (or maybe infiltrator exploring ruins?) and bi Turian a soldier type. Would work fine.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 2:50:53 GMT
If there's a Quarian LI and he's straight, I'm going to be sad. It's the only alien LI that I actually really want. lol If it were my choice, I'd continue with Ryder and have Reyes + gay or bi Quarian, both in squad. My dream.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 2:34:54 GMT
I don't think there'd be substantial backlash if Gil was replaced with someone on squad, especially if they were plot relevant. The majority of complaints were already that we only got NPC romances. I love Reyes and want him to get more content. If it were my choice, he'd get the squad promotion. That's my first choice, but I'd still be content with both Gil and Reyes getting sidelined if we got 2-3 choices that were more relevant this time. They'll get good will for adding more and better content, but I don't think that relies on continuing with these characters in the spotlight. If they continue with Ryder, then they either need to scrap/sideline ALL of his/her potential LIs and make room for a new crew, or respect ALL of his/her LIs from ME:A and give them meaningful content in the next game- if there even is one- because currently have my doubts about that. Yes, that includes Gil as well. To dump Gil on a planet with a son/daughter/nephew/niece with only an email to tell a romanced Scott how he's doing, while other LIs continue their role as squadmates/crew, or get meaninful content when Gil already got the short stick would just be beyond a crappy thing to do. It doesn't matter if most people don't romance him. If he gets the boot while others don't just makes the m/m situation for this series even worse. Well, it's just not really a reasonable expectation. It's not how the trilogy did it and there isn't much reason to expect it to change. I expect them to handle it basically the same, if they continue with Ryder as the protagonist. Some romances will get moved off ship and some will continue on ship. It's really not personal. Even Liara and Miranda got moved to off ship romances. It probably wouldn't be just an email. They got at least a scene where you could talk to them again. I just don't think it's a realistic expectation that it won't happen like that again. It may or may not be Gil, but I don't think it's unfair. If you've played the trilogy, there's no reason not to expect that some romances will move off ship to make room for new ones. Whether Gil "should" be kept is just subjective. People that like him will say yes, people that were disappointed will hope the focus goes to a new gay option. Nobody's really "right". It's really just about getting an equal amount of content. Whether you like Gil and want more from him or not is personal.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 0:55:17 GMT
No, thanks, I'd rather have gay and lesbian squadmates than always making them support characters, while the bisexuals are the only ones who get the banter and get to travel with the crew. And yes, the gay character stories haven't been particularly good, especially in Cortez's case, but I'd much rather prefer them over a character who, once again, is straight in all aspects than hooking up with a same sex PC. Not to mention that Dorian's romance only had gay issues at one point while Gil's, poorly paced as it may be, was a very interesting story that only could've been told in a story like Andromeda's, which I appreciate. In both cases, set sexualities or playersexual, gays tend to be screwed one way or another so it's more about fixing the core issue with gay romances than just making a quick-fix option of having all romances available to everyone. There are squadmates that aren't romanceable every game, so that's still not impossible. I rarely find this "written straight" thing to be a problem. I think the bi male romances have always been better. Anders, Kaiden and Reyes are easily preferable to me than Dorian, Cortez and Gil. I mean, this is subjective stuff. They could pretty easily have some bi LIs mention men, some women, some both, some neither. They've basically already done that. Zevran mentions sexual encounters with men and women. So does Isabela. Iron Bull can hook up with Dorian and mentions women. Anders mentions men and women if you're a guy. Merrill doesn't mention anyone. Leliana has her weird thing with Marjolaine. Peebee has a similar thing with Kalinda. I think it's already pretty assorted. To me, actually getting content is a way bigger problem. DA2 and DA:I were the only games where m/m content wasn't heavily shorted, but even then, Dorian got the "gay story" treatment. But I'm not saying I would be totally opposed to them offering equal content with set sexualities, I just don't think it'll actually happen and that bi characters are actually our best chance to get there.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 0:39:29 GMT
I chose Reyes. I wish he'd been a squadmate, but he's still one of my favorite Bioware romances. Hopefully he'll get expanded content later. I'll keep hoping he gets a squadmate promotion next game.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 0:32:41 GMT
Well, only if they don't replace it. I think a lot of romances from ME:A will be off ship next game. Not "written out", but minimized to make room for new people. They'll still exist and it will be acknowledged you romanced them, but I really can't imagine they'll keep everyone as main cast. That's how the trilogy did it and I imagine ME:A2 and beyond will, too, if they continue with Ryder. If they add a new m/m LI for squad and at least one more side thing, I think most people would consider it a net gain, tbh. It's only really unfair if Gil is the only one to get that treatment and they don't replace him with someone else. It would be easier for them to not I would have thought. I mean they'd have to create a new engineer as well as another shipboard (crew or squad) m/m Li. I mean yeah they did it to the ME1 Lis but they had already planned for there to be an ME3. I'm all for the idea of them adding more but it would serve them better to develop current characters the way the trilogy did. And they need the good will from LGBT players. Especially those of us that will burn down orphanages to ensure we get a happily ever after. I don't think there'd be substantial backlash if Gil was replaced with someone on squad, especially if they were plot relevant. The majority of complaints were already that we only got NPC romances. I love Reyes and want him to get more content. If it were my choice, he'd get the squad promotion. That's my first choice, but I'd still be content with both Gil and Reyes getting sidelined if we got 2-3 choices that were more relevant this time. They'll get good will for adding more and better content, but I don't think that relies on continuing with these characters in the spotlight.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 0:21:43 GMT
Zevran and Anders were a HUGE improvement on the NPC romances from Andromeda. I loved the Anders romance. It was basically perfect for me. I want squad romances with plot relevance and that's more likely to happen with the all bi system. I don't care at all if they have ex-girlfriends. That doesn't bother me. It bothers me if they're irrelevant crew or off ship romances that aren't even there for most big moments in the game. And that's the kind of bullshit that I hate. I get that everyone being bi will immediately solve that issue, but fundamentally the real issue is that Bioware is pandering to straight gamers and refusing to make LGBT characters more relevant to the plot. Now for me personally I really don't care that my LI isn't all that central to the plot. Sera was my favorite DAI after all, but the fact remains that Bioware needs to reaffirm their SJW tag and actually make LGBT characters not an afterthought that gets shafted to non-squadmate status. I'd much prefer for that to happen that let them get away with a convenient quick fix with bi for all. They can add "set sexualities" for non-romanceable characters, so I don't see a problem with the all bi route. You see more gay men and lesbians in ME:A outside romances than in, already. Plus, honestly, the bi stories tend to be better. They write gay men primarily about being gay. They have a dead husband, or daddy conversion therapy issues, or contrived gay parenting plots. I get what you're saying, but I don't want to wait another decade for them to maybe make things equal. It was equal when they went all bi in DA2. That worked. Set sexualities isn't working, imo. It sounds good in theory to say they should just try harder, but I'm tired of getting screwed over by that. It would be easier to feel differently if it wasn't specifically my demographic that gets consistently the worst result from it, I guess.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 0:16:49 GMT
I agree with those that think the original (pre-Yahg) Shadow Broker makes the most sense. They were incredibly mysterious. Nobody ever really understood how they got the resources to do what they did. The Yahg may have just been a body guard or assistant to them and they gave him the ship when they left. There's never any evidence they died. To me, it makes more sense than Cerberus. The previous Shadow Broker was a dumb racist who got killed by his own "pet." Everything cool about the Shadow Broker was the Yagh one. That requires a lot of retconning of one of the best ME DLC to fit. Was there any evidence of that? Like, anything that's no conjecture from Liara guessing in dialogue?
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 0:13:26 GMT
I don't think they're ever going to portray Jill as abusive, because it seems obvious to me they didn't intend it to be taken that way. It would be way over the top drama for that to be a key factor when they have the baby situation. In most people's games, it would just be Gil becoming a single dad because he realized his hag was exploiting and gaslighting him all this time? Or he'd realize she was abusing him and still let her keep the baby? That's even worse. I don't think there's anything they can do with it now. Jill is locked into the story too deeply to just ignore it and can't easily be avoided because almost everyone will have Gil/Jill babies. I really can't conceptualize a logical way for them to dig out of this hole. IMO, Gil will probably be mostly sidelined for new characters by the next game and you'll probably get a scene with him going to see Jill and the baby. That's how I imagine it going. I think "Gil gets an overhaul and becomes an awesome character with a deep personal plot totally independent from Jill" is about as likely as the mythical Jaal bi patch. It would be a monumental cock up on their part if they decide to sideline and write out 50% of the romance options for a gay Scott. There's player backlash and the pr disaster of erasing the gay or assuming that gay people are ok just hopping on to another lover because some people seem to think monogamy doesn't translate to gay. Sadly those reasons do not mean it's impossible for them to do it. Seeing as how they gave an iconic franchise to what the C-team? Well, only if they don't replace it. I think a lot of romances from ME:A will be off ship next game. Not "written out", but minimized to make room for new people. They'll still exist and it will be acknowledged you romanced them, but I really can't imagine they'll keep everyone as main cast. That's how the trilogy did it and I imagine ME:A2 and beyond will, too, if they continue with Ryder. If they add a new m/m LI for squad and at least one more side thing, I think most people would consider it a net gain, tbh. It's only really unfair if Gil is the only one to get that treatment and they don't replace him with someone else.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 23:48:54 GMT
If people think that Bioware will always cater to straight "bro" gamers and marginalize gays and lesbians than why do you think that playersexual route will be a better road to take? Chances are we'll get more Zevran and Anders situations where they'll constantly talk about having an attraction to women and neglect to mention or show that their bi until the male PC chooses the heart icon and "activities" their bisexuality. I mean, yeah, you'll get more choices but I kind of like my bi characters to actually be bi and not for their sexualities to just bend to the wishes of the PC. I dunno, being rejected by people of a inconsolable orientation isn't exactly new to me IRL so it happening in a game doesn't bother me too much. 2/2/2 is the best option in my eyes. Zevran and Anders were a HUGE improvement on the NPC romances from Andromeda. I loved the Anders romance. It was basically perfect for me. I want squad romances with plot relevance and that's more likely to happen with the all bi system. I don't care at all if they have ex-girlfriends. That doesn't bother me. It bothers me if they're irrelevant crew or off ship romances that aren't even there for most big moments in the game.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 23:38:17 GMT
I don't think they're ever going to portray Jill as abusive, because it seems obvious to me they didn't intend it to be taken that way. It would be way over the top drama for that to be a key factor when they have the baby situation. In most people's games, it would just be Gil becoming a single dad because he realized his hag was exploiting and gaslighting him all this time? Or he'd realize she was abusing him and still let her keep the baby? That's even worse. I don't think there's anything they can do with it now. Jill is locked into the story too deeply to just ignore it and can't easily be avoided because almost everyone will have Gil/Jill babies. I really can't conceptualize a logical way for them to dig out of this hole.
IMO, Gil will probably be mostly sidelined for new characters by the next game and you'll probably get a scene with him going to see Jill and the baby. That's how I imagine it going. I think "Gil gets an overhaul and becomes an awesome character with a deep personal plot totally independent from Jill" is about as likely as the mythical Jaal bi patch.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 23:28:13 GMT
I chose the scouts because it's important to Drack and I didn't know Raeka. I couldn't really think of a better reason. The outcome sucks either way, might as well make my friend happy.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 22:29:21 GMT
It's not that hard in DA:O, in my experience, because the romances locked in late, anyway. It's just that everything about this seems like a glitch that wasn't intended. I can't remember them honoring a glitch with future content, so I just really doubt they will now. I would be less surprised if they don't just patch it for future plays instead of acknowledging it. My experience with DAO is that people were very quick to get jealous and make you choose between them. Even if you swear you weren't flirting with them! Diff'rent strokes. Someone from the production side did RT BioFan's tweet about being in a "love triangle" with both, I think. No reason to expect much because of that, of course. But I do have mild hope. I'm not invested in future acknowledgment, mind you. I'm far too cool for school. it seems to vary. I actually got the angry breakup with Leliana in that same game without ever knowing we were together. No sex scene or anything, she just asserted we'd been a thing. I got it in three different play throughs without ever meaning to romance her. Somebody told me later it's because I talked to her about shoes. I thought that was just sending "I'm gay for sure" signals, but what can you do.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 22:20:55 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't acknowledged. In DA:O there was a timing exploit where you could romance two different people if you just didn't set up camp for them to get pissed at you and force a choice. I finished one game having locked in both Morrigan and Zevran. The game decided I was just with Morrigan and nothing was acknowledged with Zevran, like his letter in Awakening, plus Morrigan let me go through the mirror with her in Witch Hunt. Probably it'll be the same with this, one will override the others. It seems like it's Gil that overrides. So, in DLC/future games, your save will likely only acknowledge Gil. Possibly. I'm not expecting acknowledgment too much. But I think not setting up camp for the entire rest of the game in DAO is a lot more contrived than what you have to do here. (Dick around a bit before progressing the critical path) It's not that hard in DA:O, in my experience, because the romances locked in late, anyway. It's just that everything about this seems like a glitch that wasn't intended. I can't remember them honoring a glitch with future content, so I just really doubt they will now. I would be less surprised if they don't just patch it for future plays instead of acknowledging it.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 22:17:19 GMT
Hahaha omg I found another line related to Reyes on Elaaden in a sidequest: When you do a sidequest and meet a character called Velonia from Kadara, you ask her about Reyes. She asks you back if you know him and Scott says "Do I ever" all naughty. And Velonia says "I'll pretend I didn't get the hint behind that one". It looks like there's a lot of content that I missed because I rushed (had the banter bug, so didn't want to waste time driving around for side quests). Apparently you can even visit the Collective base? From what I read that makes Reyes seem either a) way more on top of things, or 10x shadier. Maybe both. Velonia's shout out is adorable though Do you recall what side quest you meet her on? I'm trying to keep record so I can maximize Reyes content on my next play through (unfortunately I don't have time to be a completionist). I don't remember the side quest, but I know she's in the building for the first little town in Elaaden where there's the Angara with the water supply quest. She's in the main building. I think it's definitely worth visiting the Collective base! It's on the south-west bottom edge of the map. The marker is a cave. If you do the Salarian spy quest concerning the leaks to the Kett from the Salarian ark, you'll go into the upper reaches of the same cave. It's pretty deep with different corridors. Personally, it made me like the Collective more. Everybody in there was more likeable to me than the outcasts and you can talk to an Angaran that joined because Sloane treats them badly. One of the things I like most about Reyes as leader of Kadara is that he's better for the Angara, so that made me happy.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 22:09:24 GMT
Question for the romance gallery: Can you complete other romances than Gil's if you do Reyes's? I know you're locked out of Reyesmancing if you commit to Gil before... some point in the Kadara quest. (The whole thing?) And I know at least Cora breaks up with Scott if you commit to Gil. So I think the multiple romances is just negligence/a bug. (although I expect to be acknowledged in future content) Wondering how deep it goes. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't acknowledged. In DA:O there was a timing exploit where you could romance two different people if you just didn't set up camp for them to get pissed at you and force a choice. I finished one game having locked in both Morrigan and Zevran. The game decided I was just with Morrigan and nothing was acknowledged with Zevran, like his letter in Awakening, plus Morrigan let me go through the mirror with her in Witch Hunt. Probably it'll be the same with this, one will override the others. It seems like it's Gil that overrides. So, in DLC/future games, your save will likely only acknowledge Gil.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:55:21 GMT
As a gay man, I would still much rather have the all bi route. Exclusives don't mean shit if they're not actually good and Bioware always shorts gay men before anyone else. DA2 was the only time we had access to the most story relevant character. It was the only we didn't get half as many options as at least one other demographic. Zevran was the only character that really bothered me as written for women first, because he literally says he likes women more. Even then, it was better than Andromeda or the first two ME games. At least he was a squadmate with the full romance treatment. Exclusive options sound nice, but they're never equal. At least with all bi, we get good options with the full amount of romance content. Exclusives aren't good for m/m romances at all, imo. They just benefit straight people even more.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:45:57 GMT
Hahaha omg I found another line related to Reyes on Elaaden in a sidequest: When you do a sidequest and meet a character called Velonia from Kadara, you ask her about Reyes. She asks you back if you know him and Scott says "Do I ever" all naughty. And Velonia says "I'll pretend I didn't get the hint behind that one". I think I met her too early in the romance path with Reyes, because mine was something like, "We've met..", and she says something like, "Everyone knows Reyes.. some a little too well". The option to ask about him doesn't disappear from her dialogue wheel, though, so maybe I'll go all the way over to Elaaden just to try it again. lol
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:36:58 GMT
But why would she bring back up if she thought Reyes was being honest about the one on one duel and didn't think it was a trap? And Reyes said it was to be ONE on ONE duel between HIM and SLOANE. Then it turns out that he's brought a sniper to kill Sloane instead. THAT'S what I take issue with. That he LIED about the intentions of the meet up. I abhor lying when there's no good reason for it. There wasn't a good reason to lie about the intentions of the meet up. But there was a good reason for it: kill Sloane easy, no muss, no fuss. Why bother with a duel and possibly die, when you can stab her in the back? The lie isn't a big deal. Exactly. Overthrowing a petty tyrant by playing on their impulsiveness is a "good reason". He tricked her into leaving the safety of the port and even managed to get Kaetus away from her in the bundle. She charged out into the badlands like an idiot with the human pathfinder after being nothing but antagonistic and he knew she would if he pushed her buttons. She got played because he made a great strategic move. It's not "for no reason".
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