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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:31:04 GMT
I saved the Angara.
Part of it was that Jaal asked me to and I respected his opinion, especially on Angaran matters. The Moshae is too in shock for me to take her request as being clear headed at that point. Jaal is the voice of the Angara I'm most acquainted with and I know he'd seemed like a good, but reasonable person up until that point. Plus, we were friends and I could tell this meant a lot to him. If my friend is pleading with me not to blow up his people, then I'm not going to do that, basically.
The other part is, I plan to take out the Kett entirely, so I feel like it doesn't matter if this building stands in the long term. I have more allies to fight with me for the end goal, which is making sure there's not a single Kett left in Andromeda to run this place. We'll keep fighting until we can take down every one of their bases, but for the moment I was happy to save those lives. I think it isn't as easy as some are thinking for them to gather that many Angara again. This was work they'd done over a long period and while they had the upper hand. The tide of the war is already turning. As we push them back, they'd have less and less opportunity to capture more Angara and we'd have boosted our own numbers for the fight. Seems like a win, for me.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:18:27 GMT
I literally can't imagine his story won't be about Jill, anyway. They're not going to give him a ton of content, especially a ton of verged content, and it's going to be mostly about the baby stuff, since that's what probably 99% of people have in their game. I think you just need to decide how you want your Jill. Well.. true. You know when Gil's '' best friend '' that he brought with him was first mentioned? We were speculating that she'd be a pet. I wish Jill was his parrot or something at this point... I know, right? I'm so disappointed that thread didn't just lead to learning whether Gil is a cat or dog person.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:16:59 GMT
I finished the game but I said yes to the baby so I can't confirm it for a no baby Ryder. I think someone in the Gil thread mentions that saying no to the baby lists Ryder as not yet committed to having a baby but you are still tagged as exclusive with Gil. So you still have the romance locked down but it implies that you could be committed to having a baby in the future. At least, that's what I think it means. If someone can confirm this, it would be great. What my codex says: "As a sign of your commitment you agreed to co father a child with Gil and his platonic friend Jill...the two of you are bonded and in love and looking forward to a long and exciting future together." The other version is "You weren't ready for the commitment of fatherhood but you and Gil agreed to be "crazy uncles" the child of his platonic friend Jill. The two of you are bonded and in love and looking forward to a long and exciting future together." So, it just says you weren't ready to commit to a baby, not that you weren't ready to commit to Gil. That seems fine.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:10:34 GMT
I'm not going to romance him as long as she's part of a package deal, so yeah. He could be sad about it and then get over it and grow as a person. As is, she's just a permanent anchor. His whole story and romance would be about Jill again if that'd happen. I don't want that! I literally can't imagine his story won't be about Jill, anyway. They're not going to give him a ton of content, especially a ton of verged content, and it's going to be mostly about the baby stuff, since that's what probably 99% of people have in their game. I think you just need to decide how you want your Jill.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:04:55 GMT
I actually kind of think the story would be more interesting if she died, but that's just me. lol So you wanna deal with Gil sobbing the whole game over his dead fag hag, the mother of his child? Yeah, no. Maybe we should make Gil a kett or something, that'd be dope. I'm not going to romance him as long as she's part of a package deal, so yeah. He could be sad about it and then get over it and grow as a person. As is, she's just a permanent anchor.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 21:01:47 GMT
Don't they kind of have to have her around, though, because of the baby? It seems like the only way to get rid of her now would be to kill her off. I wouldn't be totally opposed to it, because it would be good drama, but not sure if they would. Plus, I think like well over half the reason she exists is to explain wtf is going on with the baby while Scott and Gil are in space. Well, unless they plan to off ship Gil next game, which I imagine a lot of LIs this game will be. Oh, no, I don't want her dead. I agree that Jill taking care of the baby would benefit Gil's continued presence in the future. I was just talking about DLC concurrent within the game's timeline that could be completed at any time for example. They should use any of Gil's involvement to expand on his character in different ways apart from Jill IMO. I actually kind of think the story would be more interesting if she died, but that's just me. lol
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 20:55:02 GMT
I agree with those that think the original (pre-Yahg) Shadow Broker makes the most sense. They were incredibly mysterious. Nobody ever really understood how they got the resources to do what they did. The Yahg may have just been a body guard or assistant to them and they gave him the ship when they left. There's never any evidence they died. To me, it makes more sense than Cerberus.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 20:48:59 GMT
Out of curiousity, does Bioware know that a non romanced Gil is kind of stuck in a weird and abusive relationship? Like whoever wrote this clearly had no idea what they were doing but... No, I don't think they realize it. It most certainly wasn't what they intended. At least I hope not. I think it was just their way of tying some drama into Gil's sexuality since their sexuality "has to be a part of who they are" (for gay male characters only though, apparently). It just ended up being worse than they could have foreseen. @ladyconsular I think that Gil is so loyal and devoted to Jill that he either doesn't fully realize how her words are affecting him, or he does and rationalizes it away/excuses it. I said it in Gil's thread, but I'll repeat it here- preferably Jill isn't involved in future Gil content (DLC and such), but if they insist on involving her more, I would like to know what Jill did to get Gil to view her so highly. She needs to have saved Gil's life, or rescued him from his life on the street when he was a kid in order for me to cut her even a little bit of slack. Don't they kind of have to have her around, though, because of the baby? It seems like the only way to get rid of her now would be to kill her off. I wouldn't be totally opposed to it, because it would be good drama, but not sure if they would. Plus, I think like well over half the reason she exists is to explain wtf is going on with the baby while Scott and Gil are in space. Well, unless they plan to off ship Gil next game, which I imagine a lot of LIs this game will be.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 20:41:31 GMT
I thought I was going to regret not finishing that contagious runaway quest before some of the main plotline advanced, but it never came up again. Bah, Reyes is a conniving liar. He's charming, but he's a snake. (I actually have no idea how Kadara fairs under him. ) Sloane has become a thug, but she was the best of the Nexus' leaders, once-- the only one who had her crap together. She got a horrible deal, and got it saving others' lives. I was happy to see that Kandros (presumably) made sure she got the call for Meridian. I like to thing she could recoup some part of who she used to be. I just started reading Nexus Uprising and Sloane is fairly sympathetic in there, but she's clearly gone crazy since then so I was torn on that one - (and luckily had saved at a point close enough that I could look at both) and what ultimately sold me on Reyes was that there are so many more Angara in Kadara with him in charge (so I felt less like some colonial dictator), and that there's ambient dialogue of relief from NPCs in the background about it. Saving the krogan over the best pathfinder? Not having 4 pathfinders at the end? If you let the Salarian pathfinder die, the secondary guy takes her place and still shows up for the final push. I saved the scouts and wondered if it would ruin my ending, but as long as Avitus and Serissa (which they were for me), but I still got then Dunn-lives ending. You can also have Vedaria, the less experienced Asari pathfinder. I had Hayjer, Vedaria and Avitus. Dunn will die if either you don't do Cora's loyalty quest and don't bring the Asari ark in, or you don't fine the Turian ark/don't convince Avitus to be the pathfinder. As long as you have all three, it doesn't matter which ones they are between Raeka/Hayjer or Sarissa/Vedaria. Avitus is the only one that can be the Turian pathfinder, though, so you HAVE TO encourage him to do it. As for Raeka vs the scouts, I picked the scouts because it was important to Drack. Didn't really know Raeka, so it just felt more natural to go with the one that was important to one of my friends. Hayjer is cool, too, though. I like him.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 20:13:10 GMT
The codex for romanced Ryder who says no to the baby lists him as "Not yet committed" Is that always true? Have you already finished the game? I know mine didn't update to say I was in an exclusive relationship with Reyes until after the Archon fight. It is seriously fucked up if choosing not to have the baby leaves your relationship with Gil uncommitted, though.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 20:07:40 GMT
I shot Kalinda and I don't feel bad. She was trying to kill us to get the orb, but now she's soooo sorry? What did I say about never trusting an Asari innocent act again? lol As for people talking about shoot Reyes/don't shoot, he doesn't die either way. It just changes the email he sends you a little. There's not really much difference to doing it or not, so I wouldn't worry about it either way. Siding with him or Sloane makes a big difference, but shooting or not shooting isn't really a different outcome. I love Reyes, though, so I strongly encourage you to shoot him as little as possible.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 19:57:16 GMT
I didn't read the book, but the game makes it sound like the mutineers were morally grey, but misguided. It's driven home with the hydroponics protests, I think. They want everyone woken up now. They want their golden worlds and ideal scenario now. That's not possible. The golden worlds don't exist. We can't wake up everyone and actually provide for them. These people got screwed with a bad pitch, but there's no fixing that now. Everyone has to share the loss. I don't love Tann, but the Nexus sure looks better than Kadara at the time you come around. What would the Nexus be like if Sloane had actually won in that scenario? If she was in charge of the Nexus? It's a scary thought, to me, honestly.
But I think when you boil down all the changes, it seems like the stand outs are that the Angarans are treated better with Reyes and your colonists don't have to pay Sloane. To me, that's enough to tip the scales for him. I was trying hard to mend relations with the Angara as much as possible, which makes Reyes the obvious choice, for me. Same with choosing the Moshae as ambassador. There's also the fact that the Collective seems like a more sustainable group for the long term. When you visit their base, you see they really have their shit together in comparison with the Outcasts. They're very well stocked and their learning to live more efficiently in the system. That's good, if you trust Reyes and want the Collective as a strong ally. It's not good if you don't trust Reyes or Sloane and want someone you can more easily get rid of later. So, that part is.. up to your perspective.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 19:37:21 GMT
Drell needed an arid, dry climate to survive, so it seems like Eos and Elaaden would actually be perfect for them. Maybe they'll actually bounce back in Andromeda. Seems like there's actually more habitable space for them than in the Milky Way.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 19:30:23 GMT
I think this is the problem with Gil, and just the consistency isn't there. He has a few points they make about his personality, that he's "spontaneous", he likes poker and Jill, but they don't string into a very complete person. I think you can get a full picture of who the rest of the crew are and what their motivations are, but Gil is kind of a question mark. I feel like a big part of it is how much of his dialogue is eaten up with quoting Jill and what she wants. Even one of his few friendship scenes is meeting Jill and all about her without anything actually about him in there. By the end, I feel like I understand more who Jill is and what her motivations are than I understand Gil. I agree with this, and yet, even Jill is kind of a strange character. So if you agree to have the baby she will carry a baby and wants Pathfinder and Gil to be the "dads", so does that mean she wouldn't be involved other than as an auntie, or is it a three parent situation? But if you don't romance him, she is the one who wants the baby and asks him to be sperm donor/dad. And she apparently even gets pregnant from the sperm bank if Gil doesn't agree to it? So does Jill want a child because she herself wants a child, or is she just that dedicated to her procreation job that it doesn't really matter to her what happens to the kid as long as someone raises it and a new human has been brought into existence? I think she always keeps the baby and acts as the mother. She wants Gil to be the dad in the same context if he's with Scott, I believe. She'll keep the baby and you'll be co-parenting in a mom and dad/dad two household type deal.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 19:26:34 GMT
Which is the real shame. It's expected you will have some deeper content or special moments with whoever you are banging, but to completely close off their character growth or a real friendship with them because it doesn't involve sex is just weak writing. I hope they don't start making that a trend again. If I remember correctly, that was unfortunately a case with Jacob. I remember watching a compilation video featuring his romance scenes and I think I remembering thinking how some of the early scenes could have easily been used for his friendship route and been good for his character. That was the standard for ME2 romances, if I remember right. I definitely remember the complaints that you couldn't help Jack work through her emotional issues without banging her. There were some pretty unfortunate connotations. That's why I think ME:A is a stark improvement on this front. Most of the characters don't feel too deeply cut without the romance stuff added, imo.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 19:23:35 GMT
I think this is the problem with Gil, and just the consistency isn't there. He has a few points they make about his personality, that he's "spontaneous", he likes poker and Jill, but they don't string into a very complete person. I think you can get a full picture of who the rest of the crew are and what their motivations are, but Gil is kind of a question mark. I feel like a big part of it is how much of his dialogue is eaten up with quoting Jill and what she wants. Even one of his few friendship scene is meeting Jill and all about her without anything actually about him in there. By the end, I feel like I understand more who Jill is and what her motivations are than I understand Gil. That scene is only worth it if you romance him. Also, more of his character is tied up in the love scene and the pre-Archon fight scene with Gil when he and Ryder hold hands. His devotion to Ryder is made apparent in those two scenes through dialogue, and in the email after his love scene. So I can see how Gil may seem like an incomplete character. He suffers from lack of content overall anyway, but parts of him are missing unless you romance him. I've seen the videos, so I know the differences with the romance vs friendship. There are times where I definitely felt like other people's scenes cut out weirdly when you're not on the romance path, too. The Peebee in the escape pod scene ends pretty suddenly and jarringly if she doesn't ask you to bang, imo, but there's enough content with her overall that it doesn't really hurt her characterization. Others, like Cora and the seeds or Jaal at his family's house seemed to flow really smoothly as friends. I guess that makes sense, since those were the clear favorites, anyway. I think the romance vs friendship gaps in ME:A were probably the best they've ever done. In the trilogy you'd often get very little content with people compared to the romance stuff. Most people only had pretty minor cuts, plus the obvious extra sex scenes. I think Reyes is probably changed the most, since he makes out with you a lot on the romance path in his regular scenes. lol In general, I think it was mostly an improvement over past comparisons. But, back to Gil, I'm not sure he really feels more complete with the romance scenes. In the Jill meeting scene, he says he wants to be together. His sex scene is just, should bang y/n? It just sort of feels like really generic "show that they're dating" scenes without much deeper. With Peebee, her romance scenes tend to play to her getting over her commitment issues and the damage Kalinda did to her. Cora's show her making peace with where her place is in the world and with you taking her job. Reyes is trying to convince you that you can trust him and the hints he can be a better man than people think. What does Gil's scenes say about him? That's a big part of why his plot feels empty, to me. I don't see the growth in him, or really any direction. I guess they're trying to say he's opening up and becoming more mature? That's what Jill flatly states to you. In practice, though, I don't see it. If anything, the choice to have this baby seems ill decided and lacking critical thinking. Of course, you can not have it, but there isn't really anything in the narrative to replace it.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 18:59:01 GMT
As weird as such a small thing may be, I think having them sit in the front actually helps, since you go there what, fifty, a hundred times during the course of the game? And they do have these little throw-away conversations, just a couple lines, as well as their comments on new systems you enter. The squadmates come on missions with you. Gil and Lexi are the only ones who you actively have to seek out. With Lexi that distance is actually been fitting because being too involved and treating people "like experiments" was actually one of her concerns, with Gil, if you're supposed to be auntie/uncle Pathfinder, it can be a bit of a problem if you're not already predisposed to liking the character and actively seek him out after every mission to hear if he has something new to say. Yeah they are way more involved. Suvi is the one who helps find our new home with her genius thinking even. Gil helps us find the Archon too though, but my problem is the convos with Gil never feel intimate enough. Even Lexi asking if she's doing ok as a Doctor, or meeting her at the bar, all depressed because of PeeBee's words really made me like her. Suvi and I shared our religious beliefs. With Gil it's joking, poker and babies. Nothing I can relate to like the others. I think this is the problem with Gil, and just the consistency isn't there. He has a few points they make about his personality, that he's "spontaneous", he likes poker and Jill, but they don't string into a very complete person. I think you can get a full picture of who the rest of the crew are and what their motivations are, but Gil is kind of a question mark. I feel like a big part of it is how much of his dialogue is eaten up with quoting Jill and what she wants. Even one of his few friendship scenes is meeting Jill and all about her without anything actually about him in there. By the end, I feel like I understand more who Jill is and what her motivations are than I understand Gil.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 18:50:11 GMT
I was really disappointed there were no m/m options on the squad and that the two we got were really shorted for content. Gil's romance was, imo, just terrible. They forced the baby plot in just all the wrong ways and the romance is so bare bones without it. I really love Reyes, my only complaint is lack of content. I hope his romance will be expanded in DLC/a possible sequel. I know there's a hashtag and a decent amount of support for him to be a squadmate in a future game, really hoping that comes through in a possible ME:A2.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 18:28:37 GMT
I didn't flirt with/romance Gil and the options for the baby question were pretty limited. I picked the option that says, like, it's "insane", or something like that. lol But there's not even a super clear "no, don't do it, really, though, don't". He just says he wants to and you can be like, "well, I hope you're ready", but that's it. Then at the end he tells you they went through with it, when you're on Meridian. I don't really care that much, tbh. It's his choice if he wants to have a baby. Besides, I didn't feel very close to Gil. His content is really limited on the friend path, especially. I felt closer to practically everyone else on the ship and a lot of people off of it, so it doesn't really matter to me much what he does. It honestly seemed weird he'd even ask me about it, since the height of our relationship was me cheating him at poker that time. True, it's funny how the codex say we are '' good friends '' and how he says I'm going to be uncle Ryder. Uhm, honey, I have only talked to you like... 6 times, I played poker with you and met your little psychotic girlfriend. We aren't friends, what makes you think we are friends? Hell, we haven't even had a deep discussion beyond your baby shit. It made way more sense to me and was more emotional that Drack took me to see Kesh's egg-babies than Gil talking about his shit. I actually felt close to Drack and I saved Kesh's boyfriend. I sacrificed Raeka to save their scouts and tried to make things right with the Krogan colony after the Nexus screwed them over. We had a lot of history baked in and it really felt like this was a realistic moment where they were saying we want you to be a part of our family after you did so much for us. Gil is just.. the guy in the hold. The whole thing felt forced. There's no actual content to make me feel close to him, but the dialogue is asserting I do. Just feels weird.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 18:21:49 GMT
I just don't get why they HAD to make the baby situation a Thing for Gil. Presumably he can donate and freeze sperm for others to get inseminated by, and I would expect the Initiative brought eggs and sperm in a bank for reproduction as well as intending for the colonies to do their own natural way of population. It's unlikely even a handful of "I don't want kids" folks was hindering any population growth, and hey, you kind of need people to take care of generators and water filters and defense while the others are raising their families, so everyone has a part regardless of their "batter." It would have been great if it just stopped with he would like to have kids of his own some day, and had a friend in reproduction who was a supportive person willing to help. They ruined what could have been a nice story with this pressure crap. They have a sperm bank, because Jill goes to it and gets sperm from some famous physicist if you romance Gil and ask him not to have the baby. I'm pretty sure the Initiative isn't actually pressuring people to reproduce. They've been forbidding it up until mid-late game, even. There's a quest specifically about that. I think it's just Jill's opinion, not standard policy. Which is why nobody else hears about it, even if they're in other same sex relationships or with aliens they can't reproduce with.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 18:18:51 GMT
With my Scott, I picked the casual dialogue a lot and he was a big dork, too. I feel like he would make fun of Reyes for his cheesy lines, but he would love them and also be just as cheesy most of the time. lol
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Post by caladrius on Apr 2, 2017 18:13:24 GMT
I didn't flirt with/romance Gil and the options for the baby question were pretty limited. I picked the option that says, like, it's "insane", or something like that. lol But there's not even a super clear "no, don't do it, really, though, don't". He just says he wants to and you can be like, "well, I hope you're ready", but that's it. Then at the end he tells you they went through with it, when you're on Meridian.
I don't really care that much, tbh. It's his choice if he wants to have a baby. Besides, I didn't feel very close to Gil. His content is really limited on the friend path, especially. I felt closer to practically everyone else on the ship and a lot of people off of it, so it doesn't really matter to me much what he does. It honestly seemed weird he'd even ask me about it, since the height of our relationship was me cheating him at poker that time.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 1, 2017 8:54:16 GMT
I've never really married anyone in Skyrim because it never seemed like the NPCs were really "characters" much on their own. I like what Bethesda did with Fallout 4's romances, though. Maybe I should try to give Skyrim another chance, with the house building and everything to start a family. Not sure if I'd find anyone appealing, though. Everyone looks like vikings and elves have seriously weird faces. lol I've installed sex mods so that fill the void ( ) for my headcanon, I don't like how the male characters look in the game, female are very pretty (mostly), but the mod that improves Vilkas's face is hawt. I have yet to buy a house tho, have no idea how that works bloodofthefirst you evil creature Well, there's also.. I think it's called the Hearthfire DLC? It lets you build and customize a house at certain sites and you can adopt a kid there and keep a dog and stuff. I remember working on building a house just so I'd have a place to keep my dog, I think his name was Miko. You can't make him stay at the normal houses you buy in towns. He'll always walk back to where he came from. I just want my dog to have a nice house. lol I never really bothered with the marriage thing because it doesn't seem like the NPCs really have a personality, or anything. They all just kind of have the same lines. I don't know if anybody is very unique at all.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 1, 2017 8:02:59 GMT
I've never really married anyone in Skyrim because it never seemed like the NPCs were really "characters" much on their own. I like what Bethesda did with Fallout 4's romances, though.
Maybe I should try to give Skyrim another chance, with the house building and everything to start a family. Not sure if I'd find anyone appealing, though. Everyone looks like vikings and elves have seriously weird faces. lol
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Post by caladrius on Apr 1, 2017 5:50:35 GMT
It's easy. Just make them canon, like "Arrival" and "LotSB". Add or change some lines depending if the player did the missions. Big cryo-defrosting party (where Pathfinder must be present) and suddenly Ryder's mom falls from one of the pods? I can see them going that way. They'd pretty much have to defrost her eventually. I mean, they have a bunch of viable planets now. It kind of makes sense they would get to it sooner or later. I can't see your mom being that huge of a deal, anyway, though? I mean, what can she really even add besides, "oh hey, neat, there's my mom.. well, that's a thing, back to the plot now"? It seems like a cheesy point. I feel like it basically would have been better to let her be dead.
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