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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 20:01:17 GMT
I think the Reyes/Gil thing is a programming oversight, so I wouldn't be surprised if the next game doesn't just pick one as a priority and ignore the other, if they're both there. Meaning, it will probably transfer as if you only romanced the one given priority and treat the other like it never happened.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 6:35:19 GMT
I feel like if DA did a "desire demon" LI plot it would probably be something cheesy, like he'd turn into a love spirit. lol
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 6:15:52 GMT
Yeah, that's basically where I am with Jaal. The chest thing weirds me out. I could probably ignore it if I liked another Angara character enough, because it's not like you'd have to see it often. I didn't even realize until the moment we saw Jaal naked how important the chest area is to my attraction level. lol I'm not really digging his romance path, either. I know it's a touchy subject and a lot of people still want that bi Jaal patch, but I don't want another baby crazed dude. The YA novel, domestic stuff is just not for me. I was expecting Jaal to be more like Efvra. I don't really dislike him, but can't say I'm not a little disappointed with how he turned out. At this point I would have rather had a sudden crisis of sexuality from Liam if one of them were going to get the D thirst suddenly, but basically I'm just on the Better Luck Next Time track. I'm doing NG+ with him as my romance For Science & it's...odd? There's something really off with the pacing. He never returns Sara's affections (unless he considers 1 compliment flirting?) until suddenly "I want us to be together!". Like he has more sexual chemistry with Liam. I mean, they do hang out naked together and it seemed like they were always in the bunk room together in my game, so I guess that actually isn't as low a bar as you might think. lol
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 6:04:46 GMT
Also, early angara concepts are so... So. Kinda wish they took one of them instead of going "cute squid kitty" look. Naah I like what they went with current with male Angaran's. I haven't quite warmed up to female Angaran's, I find their human-like noses, big Angelina Jolie and big eyes bit weird compared to male Angaras design. It feels like they didn't spend as much time on the female Angara, to me. They also never have as much speckling and fine detail in their color schemes.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 6:01:01 GMT
caladrius yep, last part of my Jaal hype died when I saw him naked (and got buried deep underground when I saw his romance, but that's kind of a preference thing). He just went from "buff" to "weird mleh" for me. Chests on concepts are so awesome. Yeah, that's basically where I am with Jaal. The chest thing weirds me out. I could probably ignore it if I liked another Angara character enough, because it's not like you'd have to see it often. I didn't even realize until the moment we saw Jaal naked how important the chest area is to my attraction level. lol I'm not really digging his romance path, either. I know it's a touchy subject and a lot of people still want that bi Jaal patch, but I don't want another baby crazed dude. The YA novel, domestic stuff is just not for me. I was expecting Jaal to be more like Efvra. I don't really dislike him, but can't say I'm not a little disappointed with how he turned out. At this point I would have rather had a sudden crisis of sexuality from Liam if one of them were going to get the D thirst suddenly, but basically I'm just on the Better Luck Next Time track.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 5:40:36 GMT
I like the large bottom picture, but elongate the face, then make the nose longer and flatter. Honestly, what I like the most is that these have normal chests. I kind of hate the Angara chests and necks with those weird flaps.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 5:28:18 GMT
Hey there! I was wondering if we were going to see you around here haha. I just wrapped up the game, I'm pretty satisfied with Reyes overall. Even if a part of me already wants another playthrough but with Gil this time. I could not find the storage room to open, dang it! However, I thought it was really cool he was part of the battle and everything toward the end. I think it was a great step for the character has he doesn't let you down this time. He is making amends for his actions. I was happy to learn that this thread existed For those that aren't aware, I've started a campaign to get Reyes as a squadmate in a future game (if there is one). If there's enough support, BioWare may consider it. Figured starting early would help. Use #MakeReyesASquadmate if y'all are on twitter! Yeah I wish they would've added in a final storage closet scene or something. Would've really added a culmination to the romance at the end like many others have. You're doing the maker's work. I've been hoping there was a chance we'd get Reyes as a squadmate, either next game or in some DLC for this game. Or both! We need more Reyes. lol
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 3:15:23 GMT
I don't like werewolves at all, but I can see why people that like hyper-masculine stuff would like them. I don't really have an opinion on vampires, I guess. I read Anne Rice stuff when I was in middle school, never read/watched Twilight.
But the Fae, that's my jam. Fae and elves, love them.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 2:48:47 GMT
More pressure on them to make their romances hot good in bed and compelling. If Liam and Jaal were the only choices my Scott would be an intergalactic virgin. The issue comes down to preference, and it's not something Bioware can account for. It's never guarantee that everyone will have an option they like, even if we supposed DAI released without Solas and Cullen added before the delay, even if I didn't like either Dorian or Iron Bull, I can't fault them just because I wasn't happy with the option, they have just as much contents as Cassandra or BlackWall. At the end of the day, everyone has the same quality and quantity, and just like with Varric, those who are unhappy with Fenris and Anders wish they could romance Varric, but it's not something Bioware can account for. They presented the options. Your complain about Liam and Jaal not up to your stand is the same sentiment some people who can't romance them may say. At the end of the day, there will bound to be a character or two that they didn't expect to be popular and not romanceable like Garrus and Tali. Still, there is nothing to complain about like the lack of contents or how stereotypical it is. Basically this. Even with as many LIs as we have, there are lots of non-romanceable people that people are disappointed aren't romanceable. Lexi is a really common one. Kallo, Evfra, Avitus and Raeka have all gotten a lot of interest, from what I've seen. Some people aren't going to find someone they like, even with a lot of options. They can't make sure everyone will get someone they like every time, but if they condensed it down, they could at least make sure everyone has equal, well developed options to choose from and nobody gets pushed off on side characters.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 2:28:58 GMT
It's about quality, not quantity. Adding more options just means that they have to prioritize some other romances over the others. It's also code words for leaving scraps for gay romances. It happens with EVERY single Bioware game, and it's not gonna change soon. If we're gonna get scraps anyway, it doesn't matter to me if there are less options, since my number of option wouldn't change regardless of how many options there are, except my option would suddenly increase in quality. We also don't get bullshits like gay storyline since it wouldn't make sense without it or gay NPC that has way less contents than other romances. Yes, so much truth! Seconded!
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 2:19:37 GMT
I'm still totally in favor of going back to the 4 bi system. I don't think it's too late at all for them to change their mind, especially since Fallout 4 had all bi characters and was a much better received game than ME:A. The all bi romances weren't the problem with DA2, it had many major flaws, just like ME:A has many major flaws. If Bioware makes a good game with 2 good options for everyone, I don't believe for a second that the all bi system would actually be a major problem for them. Some people have already pinned Bioware with a scarlet letter for being a SJW company and they'll bitch no matter what happens, but most people don't care if they get a decent quality experience from the game. The expansion to 8-9 romances was a bad idea, imo, and it's just causing more problems than it's worth. I think they really need to rethink it.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 2:01:58 GMT
I vote Morrigan and Anders for #1 waifu and husbando.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 1:03:47 GMT
About the Gil shade, I'll say the same thing I said when some people were getting upset that somebody in here hated Reyes and didn't want more content from him. There's always going to be somebody that hates your favorite character, and you probably hate somebody else's favorite character. It's not a big deal. We don't need personal drama because of disagreements about fictional characters. Remember, we're all real people, they're not. Be chill. True. one man's trash is another's treasure. I guess all the stress the romance debacle has caused doesn't lend itself to healthy debate. To be fair, it's pretty normal for people to get heated about one character vs another character. The fact that m/m relationships got shorted and people feel like they have to struggle to get their argument out about what to do to fix it doesn't help. We know there aren't enough resources for everything everyone wants and, in fact, we're all likely to be disappointed. But it's definitely been worse just due to.. basically what I talked about in a big post a page or two ago. The way Bioware writes stories gets you invested in certain characters and the choices you make in world that hurt or benefit them. I've seen Anders vs Sebastian or Tali vs Legion debates go very south, just to name a few. I get it, people get really invested in these games. It's a compliment to Bioware's writing that they make people care so much about the characters. We do need to take a step back once in a while, though, and realize it's not worth abusing real people to stand up for the honor of fake people. lol
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Post by caladrius on Mar 31, 2017 0:53:27 GMT
About the Gil shade, I'll say the same thing I said when some people were getting upset that somebody in here hated Reyes and didn't want more content from him. There's always going to be somebody that hates your favorite character, and you probably hate somebody else's favorite character. It's not a big deal. We don't need personal drama because of disagreements about fictional characters. Remember, we're all real people, they're not. Be chill.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 23:23:27 GMT
I said this earlier but with the possible exception of Drack MEA has a serious lack of morally dubious squadmates. There's no Miranda, Jack, Zaeed, Thane, or Ashley level "problematic" character in this game and there's definitely none that's on a Hardened Leliana, Sera, Vivienne, or Solas level either that could actually start some interesting ethical or moral debate. I'm not saying their all Lawful Good Paladins, but we could have used a lot more greyiness and diversity of morals. To expand on this, though, I think the characters are sort of product of the story as a whole. Other Bioware games are written in a way that allows for highly subjective decision making with no clear right or wrong. In ME:A, there are only a few decisions like this. There's Reyes vs Sloane as probably the biggest one. The ancient AI choice, whether to pick the Salarian Pathfinder vs the Krogan scouts. For the most part, though, you're steered towards clearly good choices and don't really have an alternative. There's nothing much in the game that could be construed as morally grey in order to disagree on. In other games, even characters that could be argued to be "lawful good" by D&D standards have totally subjective alliances. Almost everyone in DA aligned heavily with the Chantry fits this, like Cullen or Cassandra. They're arguably "lawful good", yet people playing the game with strong pro-mage or pro-elf slants have plenty of reason not to be big fans of them in character. I think that's the difference between ME:A and Bioware games, as I've gotten used to them. The characters are flat, to me, because there's not enough subjectivity in the story, generally.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 22:37:50 GMT
Drack is actually one of my favorite squadmates, but I still think having Drack instead of Kesh was a lost opportunity. Drack has a better sense of humor and is more laid back than past Krogan, but he's still awfully samey. Kesh was an opportunity to do something different and they fumbled it sticking her on the Nexus, imo. But, then, I think Kandros would have made a better squad member than most of our squad, too.
But I feel like the biggest problem with the squad is how they tried to not make anyone too disagreeable. Nobody has a very strong personality. Everybody just goes along with whatever you want to do, for the most part. I guess because this is the first game in what they wanted to be a series and they didn't know yet where they wanted to go with anyone, but it sucks playing a whole game that just feels like a very extended intro to sequels that might not even happen.
I think this is why I love Reyes and I'm always excited to get new content with Evfra, though, besides the fact that I'm hoping for more interesting m/m content. They're some of the only polarizing characters in the game. Reyes actively defies you. Some people love him and some hate him. He's not just there, his content is something we can debate and theorize on how it will play out. As the leader of the Resistance, Evfra challenges you a lot. He doesn't just agree with everything you do. He'll chew you out if you fuck over the Angara. Helping the Angara or trying to put the Milky Way races on top is something else I've seen people debate.
I like when companions represent different factions in world or different perspectives and your relationship with them is heavily tied to your views of the world. It makes you think about what you're doing in the world and gives you a stronger connection. There are consequences to how you handle things, because the people around you are going to hold you accountable. That feels like a real world with real people. Having a group of automatons that just follow you blindly doesn't feel real. When people argue about whether Ashley is racist against aliens, or whether Tali or Legion are right, that's an investment in the world and those characters. I remember being happy to shut Miranda down for Jack, because I felt for her. In all these cases, the story made you feel something about both sides and that was investment in the story. Same with a lot of DA characters, like Anders, Solas, Isabela, Cole and others that have been controversial. I feel like ME:A is really missing that. Everything is just way too uniform and easy.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 22:16:40 GMT
I'd trade anyone for Avitus. It's a crime that Avitus is not part of the squad! Same. Will jettison any squad member out the airlock for Reyes, Avitus or Evfra.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 21:46:12 GMT
Yes, but it's weird how even if you do not get the baby, you don't get a kiss at the end and he still keeps you updated on Jill's baby situation and how you're going to be uncles. Lol no. If anything, my Ryder is gonna have that baby with Gil so that Jill can go back to whatever she does and my little family trio is complete x) I'm pretty sure she's keeping the baby, though. I don't think she's giving it to you and Gil. She wanted to co-parent, that's my impression. So, you'll probably have to deal with her even way more.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 21:44:16 GMT
I think Gil and Reyes both look alright for CC faces. I like Reyes better solely because of Gil's stupid beard. Also, Gil has this weird thing going on where I'll see him from the side and think he looks cute, but then straight on it's not great. Reyes is just kind of plain looking, but that's the CC face for you.
Reyes has like a hundred times more depth than Gil, though. I mean, there's no comparison there, imo. Reyes doesn't have nearly enough content to actually be as satisfying as squad romances, which I'm sad about, but he leaves so many questions I really want answers to. He really drew me in and kept me theorizing about what's really going on with him.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 21:29:28 GMT
Or cringey. It really depends on how you're perceiving things. After his first talk about zoo and stuff I just walked away slowly, chanting nope. Gil is... "innovative" and "free artist in the mechanical field". However, how you look at it depends only on you. It is easily disagree with Gil considering that he tries to disassemble Tempest on they fly while we have no resources to spare and many things considered. Oh my god the zoo conversation... I still cringe when I think about it. Like. Who the fuck talks like that, Bioware? Who says that? What the fuck? It reminded me of LOLRANDOM high school kids that think saying things like "cheese" and "spork" makes them super spontaneous and funny.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 21:20:21 GMT
Hmmm I have barely played andomeda because of great salt on my end but I was wondering something, when people talk about Gil here, they talk about him like he's just some topics of interest and not a whole character, so someone, preferably someone who likes Gil, can you tell me what kind of character Gil is, what kind of person is he? or is he not writen like one, because thats what it sounds like to me? I already know I'm not going to like him but I do want to know how he, as a character, is written. I know you said "someone that likes Gil", but I feel like your post actually sums him up already, he really is just "some topics of interest". I feel like that's also true about Suvi and it's why Kallo appeals to me in a way they don't. Kallo feels like a full character with all sorts of beliefs and ideas, as you expect from a fully developed character. He talks about the Salarian history with the Krogan, his fears for the Salarian ark, his history helping design the Tempest, his attachment and loyalty to his past and current colleagues is clear. He makes contextual jokes, has funny, memorable scenes. With Gil and Suvi, it feels like just disjointed points that stop and start without cohesion. Suvi is religious and she has issues with leaving her family, but I feel like there's no flow to any of it. It comes up and it goes. She likes science, but that's hardly depth. Gil is possibly even less than that. He likes poker and Jill. It's really all he talks about. He doesn't have any discernible opinions about the world. Jill tells him he should have kids, so he thinks he should. I couldn't find anything deep or memorable there. It's just a couple random ideas without depth or cohesion, and they're not even points that matter to the story, to begin with.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 21:11:46 GMT
Artemis Gil is so interesting to all guys, you know. With his fag hag and baby thing. Peak writing right there. Most interesting character Bioware ever did. Gil is so interresting to the point I am more excited for Avitus plot than him tbh Pretty much. Same with anything at all Evfra has to say to me and it's only even a weak fan theory that he likes guys. lol
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 20:54:34 GMT
I felt like the crew was a little flat, but I really love Kallo, actually. I think they packed a lot of personality into him. He's sassy, but also really empathetic and caring. I felt so bad for him going through his arguments with Gil over changing the ship and the realization of why it meant so much to him. In my opinion, Kallo is a more complex and interesting character than Gil or Suvi by a pretty wide measure. He's the only one on the crew that made me feel anything.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 17:25:33 GMT
I can forgive him not telling us since the relationship was really short. I think visiting the Collective base helped me understand that. All these people believe in him to succeed and take back Kadara Port. He'd be risking all of his work and all of their work on a relationship that's, what, a few months old? You're in a position to totally ruin his plans, and you even still can.
I do kind of like when characters do things outside your control like that, though. This is like a way more benign, low key version of Anders and Solas. I think they're some of the most compelling characters, because you rarely see characters close to the protagonist that show such agency all on their own. If find Reyes's story and background the most interesting of anyone to unravel. How did he get to where he is? Who was he before? That's why he'd be my favorite romance, even if m/m had Jaal and Liam. He's got so much potential, I just hope they don't forget about him and let it go to waste. I really liked Reyes. I am usually not interested in non-squadies at all but I was really into him. His whole persona was great and it seemed pretty natural. The Gil romance... I was just like wtf. Not because of the subject of having to struggle with having children as a gay person. I get that. But making the only m/m romance option on the ship opt to possibly live in a loveless relationship with his best friend because he feels its the best for the child... really? Tell us how you really feel guys. Sorry this is probably a tender subject right now but... I honestly was surprised by it. Yeah, I feel the same way about Gil. It was a very botched attempt to represent the subject, with him. That's why I'm just hoping the potential for Reyes comes through in DLC/future games, because I do think he has a lot to offer the narrative and also, he's really our only chance for an interesting story.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 30, 2017 17:09:41 GMT
I feel like Bioware spent a lot of resources on these traveling to different planet scenes. Like, why? I don't need to spend half an hour just to scan a few systems. I get they wanted to do something immersive or whatever but goddamn it kills so much of the fun! Every time a quest progresses I pray that it doesn't make me travel to another planet. The other day I was playing and my boyfriend was like, "why don't you just skip this cutscene, why does it keep playing?" I appreciate his optimism. lol
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