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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 20:34:02 GMT
I stand corrected, that's ominous
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 20:27:57 GMT
That only covers the US, and not digital sales I would guess
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 20:19:24 GMT
Not as well as ME3 but better than ME1 or 2, despite being inferior to them. I found ME: A better than ME 1 and ME 3 congrats, you've got an opinion that isn't widely held.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 20:18:31 GMT
Y'all aren't missing much tbh, even for people like me who think Romances are overhyped and overdone, the games doesn't have a great deal to offer that isn't done better elsewhere
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 19:57:22 GMT
Keep in mind that ME1 and ME2 didn't launch on as many platforms. They were launched originally only on PC and the 360.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 19:55:00 GMT
Not as well as ME3 but better than ME1 or 2, despite being inferior to them.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 19:50:48 GMT
Honestly I never used the squad commands in the OT for positions or to attack specific enemies, but I miss being able to use their powers in the power wheel to set up combos and target specific enemies with that.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 2:50:53 GMT
I prefer DA:I's since I found the scenery a lot more visually interesting, most things were within walking distance of each other, and rifts and side missions meant I wasn't just walking through for the sake of walking.
Its not perfect though, all the collectables can go fuck themselves.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 21, 2017 2:46:22 GMT
I certainly won't mind never seeing them again, I've seen more creative sci-fi baddies on Scy-Fy original movies
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:50:37 GMT
Also, I don't see anything wrong with a lesbian character who's dismissive about men. We've had Morrigan and Isabela, who could both get dismissive about men at times. So it wouldn't be that different if it were a lesbian, as long as they give her nuance. I think for Morrigan though it wasn't really explicitly about men, more people who weren't raised as she was. She is dismissive of anyone who doesn't read Nietzsche like its a bed time story.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:44:28 GMT
I mean we don't need to, the reception to the different series does all the talking necessary. TW3 has garnered near universal acclaim and more awards than you can think up to give it. MEA gets memes made out of its shitty animations, and every review out there trying to convince us that the game isn't an absolute trainwreck, seriously look at different reviews and see how many say "Its not a terrible game" or some variation So you need constant validation of your opinion... with more opinions? Good for you. I can think for myself and don't flock to popular things to feel good about my opinion. I don't need the validation, its just nice to see a milestone in gaming recognized for what it is. You're trying oh so hard to convince us that TW3 is a fad, just accept that its not. It made booku bucks and is ranked somewhere near the second coming. You can disagree with its overall quality, but you can't really deny that its had an impact. An impact that even BiOWare has ackowledged as an inspiration. I am not going to say there's nothing to criticize in TW3, you just don't seem to get that.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:37:52 GMT
I mean I was a BioWare fan long before I was a Witcher one anyways the thread is about directly comparing the two....so.... After other topics that already deal with it or have devolved into Witcher circle jerks. It's like you Witcher fans are scared more people are going to realise how mediocre the franchise is and must continually bash Bioware in their own forums and now unofficial forums in order to maintain the relevancy of what you know is simply a fad game. I mean we don't need to, the reception to the different series does all the talking necessary. TW3 has garnered near universal acclaim and more awards than you can think up to give it. MEA gets memes made out of its shitty animations, and every review out there trying to convince us that the game isn't an absolute trainwreck, seriously look at different reviews and see how many say "Its not a terrible game" or some variation
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:30:27 GMT
Most games are also not talked about much off the internet in general. I get it though, you don't like BioWare being the joke of the AAA world right now and are taking it out on a series that you personally didn't care for And yet here you are posting with a poor attitude that tries to dismiss anyone that like Bioware more than your precious Witcher.... on a Bioware based forum. You are the one with the problem. I mean I was a BioWare fan long before I was a Witcher one anyways the thread is about directly comparing the two....so....
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:13:14 GMT
Witcher 1 is one of my more hated games honestly. I thought it was terrible in 2007. Bad characters, dark for darkness sake poor combat and progression...even did a somewhat sender up article on it as my most dissapointed game in the past decade. Witcher 2 was better but not that great. I liked geralt as a character more in 2 compared to all three games, and I enjoyed the stuff with ivoreth and the soc clatiel. Otherwise...same issues with combat and the world was still too ham handed with its themes. Ended well though. 3 is pretty good. I would argue it's only a game changer because of how they framed conversations though. Still has combat issues. Took the company three tries to impress me. Still not a fan of the series but I get why people like it. I think it's very hyperbolic to say it's a game changer though. Then again, there aren't really many game changers out there in the past decade save league of Legends, mine craft and the first mass effect. I am mostly the same, though while TW3 is still better than the first two, it is so far below most other RPGs that the constant refrain of game changer/revolution/etc is absolutely mind boggling and laughable to me. Though, I have noticed TW3 is rarely talked about off the internet in comparison to many other RPGs. So it is probably just that internet bandwagon making the game seem more inpactful than it really was. Most games are also not talked about much off the internet in general. I get it though, you don't like BioWare being the joke of the AAA world right now and are taking it out on a series that you personally didn't care for
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:06:10 GMT
We get it, you haven't played The Witcher and don't know what you're talking about Then do educate me, because you've played it and really enjoyed it. Was it well-animated, that whole famous and gritty wife-beating that elevates the Witcher above all other RPGs? what wife beating? The off-screen stuff mentioned by the Bloody Baron? In a realistic and harrowing depiction of alcoholism and dysfunction between family members whom are equally loathsome? But I get it, you aren't interested in an accurate portrayal
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 21:24:26 GMT
Seriously ? This is a topic about Witcher 3 and Andromeda, and most comments i can see are coming from the people who don't like Witcher 3. What's the point ? You don't like it, go to different topic then. Oh, I am sorry. I failed to notice the "Reserved for Andromeda Bashing" tag on this thread's title. Where is it? Oh! Not there! Oops. So what about that wife-beating scene, was it well-animated and realistic enough? We get it, you haven't played The Witcher and don't know what you're talking about
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 19:42:39 GMT
Well BioWare shouldn't invite the comparisons, or they should make better games.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 19:28:14 GMT
Going OT: I love, love Horizon. But I'm really starting to feel too much the "let's try not to upset the guys with a female protagonist". Aloy is a great character... but is completely, fakely, uninsterested in relationships. And not in a "I'm not interested" way. In a "let's ignore this angle of my personality to not upset the guys that are playng" way. Like, a character flirt with her? She doesn't even aknowledge it. Like rain in a river. It just slips away without a trace. Is something that really upset me: when I finally have great characters that happen to be females, they are stuck or with ja inted lesbian sexuality, or no sexuality at all. Maybe is because I haven't even finished the game...maybe something will change later... but I have this feeling. Nope it happens with straight female protagonists a lot. It's fucking weird. It reminds me of one of my biggest complaints with the show Vikings, but not sure how familiar people are with that show here.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 16:31:10 GMT
comparing the two games is in fact exactly like comparing two quasi-open world RPG's, with an emphasis on characters and side missions over the mediocre main plot. Choices and consequences as an important feature. And I can go on into comaparisons between the crafting, leveling, and dialogue systems. I get why people are reluctant to want to compare the two, because there's no contest which is better. That doesn't mean the comparisons are illegitimate. Well actually which one is better is dependent on the person i.e. an opinion not fact. And no not quite. First the campaign in TW3 was great and from what I've seen so is this. The only comparisons you can make are both have better than average side quests. The main narrative and the way it's presented are two very different beasts. Yes the main narratives cover different thematic material, in places, but they are presented the same way, the most games do it, through cutscenes, dialogue choices, and gameplay
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 16:23:50 GMT
RYSE Son of Rome I got for free recently, For Honor finally got its console patch, and I can always go back to XCOM 2 or finish TW3's DLC
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 16:21:58 GMT
This shit is getting old fast. I've played the Witcher 3 and yes it's a great game but comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. The Witcher 3 had a rocky launch as well but people are acting like it's made of gold. It's also a completely different type of narrative. comparing the two games is in fact exactly like comparing two quasi-open world RPG's, with an emphasis on characters and side missions over the mediocre main plot. Choices and consequences as an important feature. And I can go on into comaparisons between the crafting, leveling, and dialogue systems. I get why people are reluctant to want to compare the two, because there's no contest which is better. That doesn't mean the comparisons are illegitimate.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 16:14:50 GMT
honestly just give me a whole new slate, not sure who I'd want on it, but it can't be any worse than what we got
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 16:06:29 GMT
The story line is cliche riddled and unimaginative, the characters range from dull to actively painful to talk to. The party/solo combat systems are just gameplay differences,and not large ones at that. They both relay on the interplay between normal attacks, powers, and equipment for the majority of their combat. There are even moments in TW3 where you do have companions, and while their AI and damage output is negligible, I can say the same for MEA where their only point is still occasionally prime an enemy for detonation and provide banter. the differences in protagonist styles are also not really that big of a matter. No matter what you do, Ryder is defined in ways that the player cannot control, to a greater degree than any other BioWare protagonist. They really aren't that different in a lot of aspects. The differences in party vs solo combat at fixed vs less fixed protagonist do not make these two games fundamentally different. The presence of the two companions out of 7 possible makes the encounter balance very different from when you create battle to only one player AI itself takes plenty of resources. The fact that you do NOT notice the companions in the battles testifies to the improvements in the AI as it hindered you in many previous games. The enemy scripts also account for agro from companions, they do not all latch to the PC For the banter to occur as you travel around, the whole game has to be saturated with banter for 7 companions, which means it's nice characters (male and female Ryder, and seven companions) that witness and will comment the entire game, unlike only one Geralt Ryder has narrower emotional range than Shepard or Hawke, but it is still an emotional range, and animations and scene balance for both male and female paperdols and a variety of faces (where Bio drew tons of critique, and Withcer did not have to worry about a thing) The experience of the game is also entirely different in its spirit. Geralt is the lone wolf, so if he does not like a quest giver, no big deal. The amount of the content needed for the companions is restricting the number of them that can be available to each user, so you have to write the companions that people still can select a party from that they can manage to play with for prolonged amount of time and bond with, but will not be as versatile as a cast of 25 so it is way harder to hit the sweet spot with most players. Romances are even trickier. W3 does not have to care, because Geralt does not have to carry anyone for the full game. In terms of story, Andromeda is actually phenomenal, easily handling 6 if not 7 major factions with different agendas in a cohesive way. That's not to mention tackling the grand theme of the Quest for the Promissed land, and making you ask the question if the Remnants playing god where actually benevolent, and if they were not stopped by someone like Shepard who created the Scourge to stop their engineered idyll. That re-take on MET is amazing. The characters on the team were warm, and none of them had artificial background full of false angst, like dead lovers and tortures. None of them had artificial issues like inexplicable bursts of anger. They had flaws, and they were human flaws. Hero worshipping, bad judgment calls, uppity egotism, etc. I like that cast as much as I like the DA2 cast, even if they are made on the exactly the opposite principle. You're wrong I do notice the companion AI, I notice them hovering above boxes, shooting the wrong way, charging in recklessly, even Jaal who is supposed to be a sniper, limited power usage, and a slef preservation instinct that kamikaze pilots would find extreme. Ryder has less emotional range than Geralt does, however that is more a testament to how good the writing for Geralt is more than anything else. Its an accomplishment to take someone supposedly stripped of emotions and give them range and material to work with, his interactions with his fellow witchers, friends, and lovers are all amazingly done, the scene where he admits his love to Triss is hands down some of the best writing I've seen. The Main story of Andromeda was laughably predictable, no interesting moral dilemmas, the factions were worse than the cookie cutter mercs of ME2, the Roekaar and the Milky Way Exiles were worefully underdeveloped, the Kett were knock off of better Sci-Fi series, the Remnant as well. Some interesting questions are raised, but they are not dealt with, they seem to want to shove off all the interesting amterial for later on in DLC or new games. The characters sure weren't full of background that's damn clear. You've got "I'm a mom to my sister" x18234 times with Vetra, "I want to be an asari" x43253 times with Cora, "I want to make friends and have no concept of the consequences of my actions" x223124 times with Liam. Through in some predictable character arcs, for the three who had an arc, with the likes of Peebee, Kallo, and Gil. They are dull, dull, dull. There's no Mordin's or Jacks to deal with here. The fact that I agree with you that the DA2 cast is better is really all the needs to be said.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 15:56:54 GMT
Isn't Aloy raised as a social outcast with only an old man for company?
Maybe she wouldn't be the most versed in social clues or flirting in general...
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 15:30:44 GMT
They have more similarities than differences. They are both story driven RPG's, that (in BioWare's case supposedly) draw from strong secondary characters to round out mediocre main storylines, lean heavily on side missions to pad out the runtime of the game as well to worldbuild and characterize, they often emphasize themes of ostracism, grey morality, and so on. BioWare increasingly is defining their main characters and not providing us with true blank slates. They both feature romances between the player character and side characters, of varying levels of involvement. The two series do these things in different ways, but they remain fundamentally similar games. If you want me to criticize Andromeda for the garbage that we got as well as the stuff we missed out on, I will oblige. It is not garbage!!! It is a terrific game with a wonderful story line and a cast of funny, loveable characters. And the two games are FUNDAMENTALLY different. In Andromeda you play your own hero, with a party. In Witcher you play a fixed protagonist from someone's novel without other characters accompanying you. For a short time you switch the protagonist to another fixed protagonist related to him. That's a completely different gameplay and approach to narration. It's absolutely not the same. Witcher is more like Eastern games than BioWARE games. The story line is cliche riddled and unimaginative, the characters range from dull to actively painful to talk to. The party/solo combat systems are just gameplay differences,and not large ones at that. They both relay on the interplay between normal attacks, powers, and equipment for the majority of their combat. There are even moments in TW3 where you do have companions, and while their AI and damage output is negligible, I can say the same for MEA where their only point is still occasionally prime an enemy for detonation and provide banter. the differences in protagonist styles are also not really that big of a matter. No matter what you do, Ryder is defined in ways that the player cannot control, to a greater degree than any other BioWare protagonist. They really aren't that different in a lot of aspects. The differences in party vs solo combat at fixed vs less fixed protagonist do not make these two games fundamentally different.
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