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Post by aslightjump on May 8, 2017 21:32:46 GMT
Alright, I feel very silly but I literally just created this account so I could ask this. On one of my recent playthroughs I screwed up romancing Blackwall because I didn't flirt with him at the right moment. I've heard that Dorian has a bit more lee-way, but where is his Point of No Return, or where the romance is locked in (soft and officially). Because I've also heard that you can be kind of coy with Dorian (like shy with the flirting) but you can still easily manage the romance. Mostly I'm pretty excited because this is my first time romancing him. All my other characters have been like half in love with him so. Also, sidenote, did anyone else skew their Inquisitor kinda young (like nineteen) and then realized Dorian was 30? There is a soft lock and an official lock-in. The soft lock has two paths. 1 If you take the during the post-Halward scene, the Inquisitor initiates, but they share a mutual kiss. After the Giselle conversation, depending on approval, the romance quest becomes available. 2 If you do NOT take the in the post-Halward scene, you can pick the "I think you're brave" option. In the Giselle conversation, if you take the here, there is a yes/no romance confirmation dialogue. Hitting yes will have Dorian initiate a kiss, which is sort of a surprise kiss -- the Inquisitor looks stunned and just stands there, but it's also obvious that he enjoys it. After that, you need to talk to Dorian again and have another conversation to confirm that you want to start the romance. This is a bit buggy, so you need to LEAVE the map (go to Hinterlands or something). After you return, the romance quest NPC will be available. Since you can see those two paths in succession, I suggest you watch them both to determine which you like best for your Inquisitor. I prefer the surprise kiss for my Inquisitor's personality, but others like the first option. The official lock-in comes after the romance quest with a quarters scene. You can have sex, after which there is further dialogue establishing the relationship. You can also decline sex, while still maintaining the romance -- a "take it slow" type of option. Again, I do suggest you watch both. I think they're both really nice, and you can easily craft the whole thing for your headcanon. As an additional note, the romance quest is given by a messenger NPC that appears below Dorian's level, in Solas's room. If you want to hold off doing the quest for whatever reason, you can get to the library by other means. There is a door near the throne that leads to an alternate path. The NPC will just hang out there until you run by; she forces you to stop and accept the quest. To your other question, no. I've always thought Dorian was older anyway. I like playing characters that are closer to my own age, so I had my Inquisitor at 30 as well. It worked out. IMO all of the origins are so vague that you have a pretty broad range to headcanon whatever you want; don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thank you! I'm gonna check them out but the way I've RP'd my guy, I'm pretty sure I'll go with the surprise kiss, it sounds super cute. As for the age thing, I think it's because to me the non-mage Trevelyan seems to have a background geared towards a mid-twenties or lower age range but yeah I mostly headcanon my Inks' ages as whatever I want.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 22:05:21 GMT
My character was an Adaar, and the way he was voiced and acted, I always felt he was the same age at least if not older than Dorian, and always protective of him. Then Dorian matured, and the Inquisitor lost all the ability to be the shieldwall at the end of Tresspasser and I don't know if I will get a chance to headcanon how it ended. Did they drift apparat or found the new dynamic?
And, darn, I was so crazy about Dorian, I did not get the surprise kiss. It would have been nice. But I was all: FINALLY! I've been pining for 20+ hours here, damn it!
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 22:19:24 GMT
My character was an Adaar, and the way he was voiced and acted, I always felt he was the same age at least if not older than Dorian, and always protective of him. Then Dorian matured, and the Inquisitor lost all the ability to be the shieldwall at the end of Tresspasser and I don't know if I will get a chance to headcanon how it ended. Did they drift apparat or found the new dynamic? And, darn, I was so crazy about Dorian, I did not get the surprise kiss. It would have been nice. But I was all: FINALLY! I've been pining for 20+ hours here, damn it! While both paths are nice, I think it's sort of unfortunate that it's arranged that way in the dialogues. If you've been going along, picking all of the up to that point, it seems natural to pick that heart in the post-Halward conversation and get that first kiss. But if you do that then you'll never know that other path exists. I wouldn't be surprised if most people who romance Dorian take the first route and never know about the second, unless you're playing a more reserved character that is conservative with your flirts.
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Post by Catilina on May 8, 2017 22:27:36 GMT
My character was an Adaar, and the way he was voiced and acted, I always felt he was the same age at least if not older than Dorian, and always protective of him. Then Dorian matured, and the Inquisitor lost all the ability to be the shieldwall at the end of Tresspasser and I don't know if I will get a chance to headcanon how it ended. Did they drift apparat or found the new dynamic? And, darn, I was so crazy about Dorian, I did not get the surprise kiss. It would have been nice. But I was all: FINALLY! I've been pining for 20+ hours here, damn it! While both paths are nice, I think it's sort of unfortunate that it's arranged that way in the dialogues. If you've been going along, picking all of the up to that point, it seems natural to pick that heart in the post-Halward conversation and get that first kiss. But if you do that then you'll never know that other path exists. I wouldn't be surprised if most people who romance Dorian take the first route and never know about the second, unless you're playing a more reserved character that is conservative with your flirts. Yes, I discovered it with my lone wolf character. That was just a flirt, but hot. That was a perfect moment, without continuation. Now they are friends, that good enough.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 9, 2017 1:59:27 GMT
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 12, 2017 2:52:36 GMT
Thought you guys would appreciate this. Someone on Deviantart made a mostly-accurate real version of Dorian's amulet. Source.For comparison, here is the one from the romance card. The gems appear to be, * 1st, top tier, pale green, blue, or teal * 2nd, pale red or orange * 3rd, pink * 4th, white I don't know when actual gemstones they might be, though.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 9:32:15 GMT
I just realised what the crew on the Tempest was lacking. Dorian. He'd have made that game wayyyyy better.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:04:30 GMT
Thought you guys would appreciate this. Someone on Deviantart made a mostly-accurate real version of Dorian's amulet. Source.For comparison, here is the one from the romance card. The gems appear to be, * 1st, top tier, pale green, blue, or teal * 2nd, pale red or orange * 3rd, pink * 4th, white I don't know when actual gemstones they might be, though. My suggestions, using the gemstones available from antiquity and that might suit a Tevinter Magister are:
blue: turquoise, it's a talisman gem, traditionally related to shamans, kings etc, so really fits a Magister, and the color is a great match. Also, offers protection, so, duh,talisman. pink: jathinth, an old catch-all name for a lot of precious stones that are not a sapphire. It's currently related to coloured zircons, but the old name is better suited for a Tevinter magister. Associated with granting wisdom, maybe. I will run with it. Alternatively, blood magic... but he does not have a true red stone, like garnet or a ruby, and imo it's symbolic for Pavus family. orange: topaz. For fire. That's our Dorian. white: your choice of a diamond or a pearl. Both gems have loaded with meanings, so depending on what you feel is better suited for a Pavus, purity of a pearl, or resolve of a diamond.
Turquoise for magic to reign, Jacinth to temper it with wisdom, Topaz for the spirit brighter than fire Diamond for the line to never fail.
alternatively, in terms of meaning, the three duplicated stones may represent the birthstones of Dorian's parents and Dorian himself, with the white single stone standing for House Pavus color, virtue or some other symbology.
but, tbh, I think Bio just put coloured dots there...
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 15, 2017 21:33:35 GMT
but, tbh, I think Bio just put coloured dots there... It's difficult to know, really. There is other symbolism used in other tarot cards. All we have for its appearance is the romance tarot. I don't know how much input the character writers had with those, but there is also artistic license taken with various ones. In this case, it's the only representation we have of the amulet, so that's what we have to go with. Even David Gaider remarked that it wasn't designed in an official sense. Although, with that remark, I wasn't sure if he only meant a 3D model to use in the game itself, or what. He also could just have forgotten the romance tarot altogether. I don't know when those were created during production, and it had also been quite a while after leaving DA and Bioware that he got this question. Tweet link.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 1:52:59 GMT
but, tbh, I think Bio just put coloured dots there... It's difficult to know, really. There is other symbolism used in other tarot cards. All we have for its appearance is the romance tarot. I don't know how much input the character writers had with those, but there is also artistic license taken with various ones. In this case, it's the only representation we have of the amulet, so that's what we have to go with. Even David Gaider remarked that it wasn't designed in an official sense. Although, with that remark, I wasn't sure if he only meant a 3D model to use in the game itself, or what. He also could just have forgotten the romance tarot altogether. I don't know when those were created during production, and it had also been quite a while after leaving DA and Bioware that he got this question. Tweet link.He probably meant an official item art that would go into the game and show up as an icon rather than its pic on Taro card.
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Post by melbella on May 24, 2017 4:48:40 GMT
Just a quick hello to the Dorian thread since I haven't been here in forever.
I'm currently in MEA-ville but I plan on replaying my Dorianmancer, Marcus, fairly soon. I don't intend to recruit everyone (for a change) and will do my best to hate on/ignore Solas so I can finally see his nasty side.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 24, 2017 11:03:46 GMT
I really wish Dorian had this outfit as a variant in the game. He looks like a Venatori here. Source: my own scan, from The Art of Dragon Age: Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 13:31:57 GMT
That's an interesting outfit, but I assume the cowl would interfere with headgear? Not hot on the chainmail gorget, but I like the gauntlet design. It actually would be okay on the Inquisitor in DA4 if they go the Automation or Magic Cyborg route for him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 25, 2017 13:54:17 GMT
That's an interesting outfit, but I assume the cowl would interfere with headgear? Not hot on the chainmail gorget, but I like the gauntlet design. It actually would be okay on the Inquisitor in DA4 if they go the Automation or Magic Cyborg route for him. Erimond has a similar gauntlet design on his armor.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 13:59:56 GMT
That's an interesting outfit, but I assume the cowl would interfere with headgear? Not hot on the chainmail gorget, but I like the gauntlet design. It actually would be okay on the Inquisitor in DA4 if they go the Automation or Magic Cyborg route for him. Erimond has a similar gauntlet design on his armor. Nowhere near as elaborate. But using fancy ceremonial armor designs in Tevinter costuming, will be an incentive to buying DA4 for me.
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Post by mattjamho on May 26, 2017 10:46:24 GMT
I imagine this design was first drawn for Dorian, and then used for the venitori once they decided on Dorian's actual look.
Mages do need some better hoods in game, it's ashame it's not available. Vivienne gets her magnificent hats, Dorian gets a cool, stylish hood, and Solas would have the cone of shame.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:40:13 GMT
I imagine this design was first drawn for Dorian, and then used for the venitori once they decided on Dorian's actual look. Mages do need some better hoods in game, it's ashame it's not available. Vivienne gets her magnificent hats, Dorian gets a cool, stylish hood, and Solas would have the cone of shame. I was playing Whispers yesterday and was paying attention to the way Felix and Alexis are fitted out. I can see a lot of simplification of the concept, but I still would not mind an armor set like that picked in this questline for Dorian or generically for a Mage. It is quite interesting. We'll see how they'd change it for DA4.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 4, 2017 12:45:17 GMT
I have a couple of Dorian arts to share, one charming, one sexy. Anyone seen the anime Howl's Moving Castle? One artist did a mashup. Source.Source.
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Post by melbella on Jun 4, 2017 16:55:16 GMT
Marcus has some work to do to get on Dorian's good side. Haven't taken any flirt options yet.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 4, 2017 17:46:18 GMT
melbella So you went with the mages and he's still pissed? Did you conscript them instead of ally?
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Post by melbella on Jun 4, 2017 19:44:00 GMT
Nightscrawl Yes, I conscripted them because that was the only choice of the 4 that generates Solas disapproval. I'm trying to get on his bad side this time.
Marcus will make it up to Dorian later.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2017 20:46:40 GMT
Conscripting the mages only has a minor impact on Dorian's approval apart from implying you are thick (I always wish we had been given a witty retort to that statement). There are plenty of opportunities to improve his approval rating. What you have to watch on the conscripted mages path is getting Vivienne as Divine. Whatever you do, don't keep Celene in power.
I'm pretty sure that you get some sort of Solas disapproval on the Templar path. From my experience the only way you can guarantee keeping his approval low is not talking to him about his experiences of the Fade, etc. Each time you do that it raises his approval because he just loves talking about himself. From what I've seen on You Tube if you accept being Inquisitor as a matter of faith that will upset Solas and result in some very interesting dialogue later if you keep his approval low. I'm not sure how that impacts on Dorian though.
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Post by melbella on Jun 4, 2017 21:13:18 GMT
According the guide (which has been known to be wrong) Solas "greatly approves" of either Templar option; that's why I didn't go that route. As for Vivienne as Divine, well, I've had that before and it amazingly wasn't the end of the world so if she ends up there again, I'm ok with it. I'm mostly replaying this char/game for Dorian and the rest is just whatever, though I am hoping to see Solas' less friendly side this time around. So, I'm all for anything that gets me Dorian approval and Solas disapproval (or nothing).
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