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Post by Walter Black on Feb 8, 2018 4:55:49 GMT
Him and Cass? Damn, my copy must have been bugged . Thanks for the video.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 8, 2018 5:20:45 GMT
Him and Cass? Damn, my copy must have been bugged . Thanks for the video. No problem! It might be an approval thing, too? I'm honestly not sure.
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 8, 2018 5:37:21 GMT
Him and Cass? Damn, my copy must have been bugged . Thanks for the video. No problem! It might be an approval thing, too? I'm honestly not sure. Nope. For whatever reasons, neither Dorian nor Cassandra made the WG game in any of my 6 Inquisitors, even the romanced ones . Maybe it was a glitch or two in my PS3 copy, I'll eventually try an Xbox One version so I can finally play the DLC.
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Post by Julale on Feb 8, 2018 19:57:12 GMT
A beautiful piece of art from Nipuni Source:
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 8, 2018 20:07:49 GMT
Don't know if this has been brought up or not, but why do you think Dorian wasn't at Varric's Wicked Grace game? He most certainly DOES appear at the card game. His not being there for you is down to 1/2 things: it's either a bug, or you still need to complete his personal quest (and have appropriate high approval). I'm pretty sure that completing each person's quest is the only way to get them to the card game. [edit] I see that you were already answered. Sounds like a major bug, then.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 14, 2018 20:48:03 GMT
Here's our guy. Happy Valentine's Day. Source.
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Post by melbella on Feb 17, 2018 18:19:53 GMT
Don't know if this has been brought up or not, but why do you think Dorian wasn't at Varric's Wicked Grace game? He most certainly DOES appear at the card game. His not being there for you is down to 1/2 things: it's either a bug, or you still need to complete his personal quest (and have appropriate high approval). I'm pretty sure that completing each person's quest is the only way to get them to the card game. [edit] I see that you were already answered. Sounds like a major bug, then.
Actually, I don't think you need to do their quests first. I'm pretty sure I've had Blackwall there before doing Revelations. The only time I've been missing people is if they weren't recruited and/or were gone by the time I got that scene.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 17, 2018 21:23:54 GMT
Actually, I don't think you need to do their quests first. I'm pretty sure I've had Blackwall there before doing Revelations. Ah you're right. I always do the card game before his quest, and he's there for me. I'm guessing it's just approval-based, then. Since I side with the mages, I usually have to get Cassandra's approval up, which accounts for her absence.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 25, 2018 10:59:57 GMT
Re-posting this in case it helps anyone. I got Dorian's romance locked in just after the quest with his father. Either by kissing him straight afterwards, or by Dorian kissing you after the talk with Mother Giselle. Dorian hadn't been to my quarters yet, nor I had given him his amulet yet but I got the dance at the Winter Palace and the romance talk post Adamant. That way I can space out the romance scenes While it doesn't work for my headcanon, as eriador117 says, it's nice to know that we can space out the romance and still get all of the scenes.
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Post by eriador117 on Feb 26, 2018 22:58:58 GMT
Re-posting this in case it helps anyone. I got Dorian's romance locked in just after the quest with his father. Either by kissing him straight afterwards, or by Dorian kissing you after the talk with Mother Giselle. Dorian hadn't been to my quarters yet, nor I had given him his amulet yet but I got the dance at the Winter Palace and the romance talk post Adamant. That way I can space out the romance scenes While it doesn't work for my headcanon, as eriador117 says, it's nice to know that we can space out the romance and still get all of the scenes. Yes, I like to spread them out a bit
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 19, 2018 8:58:34 GMT
So did anyone else get the Dorian artbook? I know of other one other person here that did, and no one else has mentioned it.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 22, 2018 20:17:06 GMT
Iddy Please images of pairings in case people don't want to see them, and images in general so pages load faster.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 27, 2018 6:24:31 GMT
Just because Hissrad means "Keeper of Illusions" doesn't mean Bull leaves anything to the imagination. Also... Bad Dorian! We're trying to fight a Dragon, focus!(Is this why you keep running straight into it's line of fire and wasting my health potions?)
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 27, 2018 10:34:58 GMT
Just because Hissrad means "Keeper of Illusions" doesn't mean Bull leaves anything to the imagination. Also... Bad Dorian! We're trying to fight a Dragon, focus!(Is this why you keep running straight into it's line of fire and wasting my health potions?) Nah he’s trying to trigger Simulacrum.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 27, 2018 13:56:43 GMT
Just because Hissrad means "Keeper of Illusions" doesn't mean Bull leaves anything to the imagination. [...] "Liar. it means 'Liar'.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 27, 2018 15:35:14 GMT
I'd love to see Tevinter society's reaction to Dorian dating an elven or non-mage Inquisitor.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 27, 2018 15:42:51 GMT
I'd love to see Tevinter society's reaction to Dorian dating an elven or non-mage Inquisitor. Maevaris and Thorold? (I don't think, Thorold would be a powerful mage...)
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 27, 2018 19:09:08 GMT
Maevaris and Thorold? (I don't think, Thorold would be a powerful mage...) Dwarves have a respected place in Tevinter society, while elves and Qunari do not.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 27, 2018 19:15:06 GMT
Maevaris and Thorold? (I don't think, Thorold would be a powerful mage...) Dwarves have a respected place in Tevinter society, while elves and Qunari do not. But non-mage. The question also was what about a non-mage Inquisitor. A qunari Inquisitor's different than an elf: (most of) the elves are perhaps slaves (not every!), but the Qunari's enemy. Perhaps a qunari Inquisitor would more suspicious, than an elf. The Inquisitor perhaps (in)famous, it's not a bad position, but even not necessarily positive (Inquisition's a Southern-Andrastian organisation).
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 27, 2018 19:56:36 GMT
A mage human would have the easiest time, of course, but would still face opposition simply for not being Tevinter at all. The altus are very insular. After that, I'm not sure how much race would supersede magic. Would a human non-mage be more accepted than a non-human mage?
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Post by Sifr on Mar 27, 2018 20:05:37 GMT
I'd love to see Tevinter society's reaction to Dorian dating an elven or non-mage Inquisitor. Maevaris and Thorold? (I don't think, Thorold would be a powerful mage...) Dwarves are far better regarded than any other race in Tevinter though, so even if it's not seen as acceptable in Tevinter society, it wouldn't necessarily face the same level of discrimination that you'd expect if you were in an open relationship with an Elf or Qunari. The lore is unclear whether Half-Dwarves are capable of performing magic... along with much else about them. Sandal might hint that magically attuned half-dwarves are possible (if he is one*), but he might also have been affected by a Titan in the same way that Valta was? *I've heard it oft-repeated that Legacy claims he's an illegitimate Aeducan with either a human or elven mother, but I've never heard this in any of my playthroughs of the DLC and no codex entry mentions this. No-one has ever provided any source of video clip of this either, save for citing the Wiki... which honestly, can be edited by anyone.
That this "rumour" doesn't even appear in the World of Thedas entry for Bodahn and Sandal (which you'd imagine is something the actual writers would have included), makes me hesitant to say it's even genuine, since the whole point of WOT is to expand upon characters and lore.
Unless someone can actually prove it's not a false entry, that's been mistakenly taken as gospel because no-one noticed or removed it from the wiki years ago, then I must invoke "citation needed" here, because I've never found any sources for it.
(Seriously, why has no-one bothered to tweet one of the devs to confirm or deny this yet?) But I suspect that the level of acceptance/tolerance that Mae and Thorold received from the Imperium, despite their relationship being seen as taboo in both human/dwarven society, might have had something to do with the Tevinter eugenics program that Dorian mentioned. Mae being trans meant she'd never produce any half-dwarven children with Thorold, so none of the other houses had to fear dwarven blood being introduced into their gene pool, thus preventing them from creating more powerful mages in the future. Personally, I hope that's not the reason why their inter-racial relationship was accepted, cause it'd be a pretty crappy one. But let's face it, the Imperium can be a pretty crappy place sometimes.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 27, 2018 20:33:40 GMT
But I suspect that the level of acceptance/tolerance that Mae and Thorold received from the Imperium, despite their relationship being seen as taboo in both human/dwarven society, might have had something to do with the Tevinter eugenics program that Dorian mentioned. Mae being trans meant she'd never produce any half-dwarven children with Thorold, so none of the other houses had to fear dwarven blood being introduced into their gene pool, thus preventing them from creating more powerful mages in the future. Personally, I hope that's not the reason why their inter-racial relationship was accepted, cause it'd be a pretty crappy one. But let's face it, the Imperium can be a pretty crappy place sometimes. I was thinking along these lines as well, but more to do with Mae being trans than Thorold being a dwarf. Let's say she was partnered with another altus mage (a man). According to Tevinter appearance standards, that would be an acceptable m/f pairing. But Mae is a trans woman, so she's not going to be producing heirs anyway if she's in a relationship with a man. So they might have been of the general mind that she was never going to produce heirs either way, so it doesn't really matter that she's with a dwarf. Actually, in that case, they might have been more pissed that she removed an altus man (her husband) from the gene pool who is now not going to produce heirs because he's partnered with Mae, so altus society might prefer that she is with a dwarf. It would be interesting to know what the reaction would be if Mae were interested in women. You have the double whammy there of being in a same-gender relationship with the added expectation that she produce heirs. She presumably still has the parts, so "do your duty" applies. It's even more of a mind bender if you think of her being paired with a trans man. Appearance standards are satisfied, and biological requirements are satisfied, so "do your duty" applies again, only the wrong gender would be pregnant. Considering all the possible outcomes with Mae, I find it likely they were pleased with her choice of a dwarf.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 27, 2018 21:45:21 GMT
IIRC Mae's entry in WoT2 has some guy critizing her choice of partner, saying something like "a dwarf, of all things." That to me says at least some people aren't super keen on it, but Tevinter depends on dwarves for lyrium so they're not gonna be tooooo obnoxious. But then again Thorold was probably murdered, so...
As for Dorian, I do think a human non-mage would find more acceptance than an elf/qunari mage. Just basing that on how nobles in this game seem to view interracial relationships as kind of gross and reminiscent of bestiality. Whereas a non-mage human is just kinda... lowly.
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