Dorian Pavus Thread "He's More Handsome Than A Cockroach"

He's ~34 at the end of Trespasser. How old's Mae? But probably you're right about, that Dorian not that "Gamer".

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In DAI? Not. (Only once he speaks about the slavery, if I remember correctly.) Later? Who knows?

I love his argument: this is same as people try to explain, why the Circles serve the interests of mages: just as Dorian explains, that the slavery serves the interest of the slaves. So, when I hear that argument about the Circle, I just say: DORIAN!

Interesting addition, that Dorian sees the Souther-Mages problems. Right after he lists the benefits of slavery, says that:


It's easy to see the problems of your own kind and ignore the others...

Yes, true, he's defensive in a hostile environment. I can understand. And yes, he lives in a slave-holder society, where the slaves – as the furniture. Just exist. Nobody questions the existence of the furniture, who use them and consider them useful.
I even see, Dorian just wanted to show, Southern-Thedas not better than his homeland. In Tevinter the slavery exists, in Southern-Thedas the Alienages and the desperate poverty. But this is just empty words, even in Tevinter the poverty exists ("freedom was noo boon..." – Varania). Dorian can change, and I suppose, he wants to change, but at the moment he's not right. This is what I said, no more.

No one said these are the same thing, the arguments are same: the slaves/mages live better than many people, so: the system's acceptable, and serves the interest of the slaves/mages.

You can see this in banters with people like Cassandra. Dorian talks about the corruption in Tevinter and is quite critical, but if other people make similar remarks he gets defensive. In one banter, he even admits that he does this.

Dorian: Incidentally, Cassandra, I'm well aware you lied to me.
Cassandra: I lied to you.
Dorian: When you said the Mage Rebellion was beyond the power of the Seekers to control? I've since heard your Order could have prevented it, but instead led the Templars into war once it started.
Cassandra: It... is why I left the Order, yes.
Dorian: Knee-jerk defense of your former comrades? I quite understand.

He even apologizes to her later on:

Dorian: Cassandra, I owe you an apology.
Cassandra: Apologize to me? For what?
Dorian: For judging your seekers. Considering my feelings about Tevinter, I shouldn't throw stones.
Cassandra: That is... remarkably decent of you Dorian.
Dorian: It was fun to goad you. You get this little knot between your eyebrows... See, there it is! Delightful.
Cassandra: Continue on this path and we'll see if it remains such.


Part of the reason Dorian is instantly defensive is because he's come not to expect any sort of nuance from anyone regarding Tevinter. He says that Harritt spat at him when they first met and for no other reason than he's Tevinter. On top of that, he has to contend with the fact that the prevailing image in the South is one of decadent excess where blood magic rituals happen on every street corner and in every parlor. I can't blame him for that reaction at all.

I think this is likely, but I wonder if we'll have the opportunity to see, based on the events of the game. It could be that the subject never comes up, for whatever reason. Or for all we know, he could very well have freed all his family's slaves and offered to pay ones that chose to remain. Since he's now magister and head of the family, he's within his right to do that if it wants. And they've got a ton of money, so it's not like they can't afford it.

Everyone understand, why he's defensive (I love how he loves his homeland), he sees the corruption, and he speaks about it, but he's not speak about the slavery, only once, and this conversation defends the slavery. To be honest: there's no clue he changed his mind about this issue in the whole story.

He's open-minded and benevolent, I not doubt it. He has a chance to change his mind, but that didn't happened yet.

I think their focus will be more on blood magic and corruption, yeah. But who knows? Other reforms could sneak in.

I can't see the image but I've read the comics.

I like Dorian as both a companion and friend. But I do not agree with all his views, especially on slavery. But then again I have to remember he was born and raised in Tevinter. Most likely the people their have a similar attitude about it. If Fenris was in Inquisition who knows what would have happened between the two? I think their would have been a quest from Fenris to kill Dorian. Since Fenris was horribly abused and experimented on. So he does not see slavery like Dorian does.