Dorian Pavus Thread "He's More Handsome Than A Cockroach"

Sometimes it's better to be truthful and realize it's better to be alone than stuck with a person that you aren't in sync with, even in games lol.
In the end, you can always headcanon a completely different lover that doesn't exist in the game hah. That's what I'm going to do, anyway.

It's actually pretty sweet, finishing the game without a lover. And I encourage you to go through the game without romancing anyone, if you don't find a good mate for your Inquisitor from the ones presented for you.

What a handsome guy, I'd bang him! He deserves better than Dorian or Bull haha.

The second one is actually a different character but I remade him into the first one once I figured out how to make Qunari baby faces I love my babyfaced giant! (It's mostly just making everything round, round cheeks, round short jaw, full lips, thin eyebrows etc.)

Is is referring to the whole "my father tried to make me straight" part, or the "I am commitment-phobic" part, or both?

"Why" what? Why did I ask? Because this is a discussion and I wanted clarification of your meaning before I responded. Why else would I ask?

I thought that was rather stereotypical as well. I figure the devs did it that way to make sure nobody missed how "diverse" the game is. You can question the hell out of Krem, too, which I thought was bizarre. If they wanted diverse characters in a diverse world, I think they would have been better off with the DA2 romance system, where the player can romance anyone they want and the devs don't try to craft endings stereotyped for the "type" of player they believe would go for a certain romance.

There is so much more to Dorian than simply his fashion sense and flamboyance that I wish the game had emphasized more. He's a huge nerd and bookworm, and clearly had courage and conviction to approach the Inquisition as he did, and I would have loved to see more of that, more characters referencing the good he has done, more acknowledgement of his research into Corypheus, etc. The only other nerd we really have is Solas, and he's a terrible person.

I never said that Dorian is terrible, just that his personal quest is stereotypical as a TV-series, and I see him with his fashion mania, and yes, flamboyance etc. also make him a bit stereotypical, but this is just my opinion, don't need to agree with it. Dorian not bad character, I like for example his patriotism, but... Never mind. I just feel, he's not my favorite. I said, he is not bad at all, I like him, but I can't love him so much, as Anders or Fenris for example, this two romance was much better to me than Dorian or Iron Bull romance.
But we can't really argue about feelings and taste.
I probably would have preferred if Inquisitor and Dorian ride into the sunset at the end.
I don't have problem with Krem's character, why would? (Maybe I misunderstand you, then sorry.)

I'm hoping for a cutthroat Dorian who nobody dares to fuck with, and who has that villainous flamboyant charm a la Scar from Lion King. Someone who is actually feared as a powerful, Tevinter magister. What I hope not to see is a sassy snark-machine. Sassiness and snarkiness is not an attractive trait, especially when you are supposed to lead a revolution of sorts.

But, that remains to be seen.

Snark is fine if you're funny. 
Snark is fine if you're also not playing up to the expectation that you are an elitist snob. The two combined is incredibly aggravating.
Snark is fine if isn't basically 90% of your humor. 
Snark is fine if you also indulge in the fun act of self-deprecative humor, making you seem less like an elitist snob. 

I'm not opposed to snark if it's handled well. Dorian's snark made me cringe.
I'm not opposed to Dorian being slightly snarky in DA4, it's his thing, but I'm hoping they are focusing in other aspects of his character. I'm hoping for a serious, mature Dorian, who shows his slightly goofier aspects when you befriend him, otherwise appearing as an incredibly threatening magister.

No doubt it was a defense mechanism, but for example somehow I like better Hawke's sarcasm. But sometimes with Hawke also I choose agressive or rarely diplomatic answer. Dorian sometimes tiresome, more than Hawke, and different way. He's like a peacock, a little annoying. 

Again, agree with both of these points. And lest this start sounding like another what they said! post -- Concerning the 'stereotypical' aspects of Dorian's character: As Gaider himself has pointed out (and if anyone knows snark, it's David Gaider ), like it or not, there are in fact real live gay men who do behave in 'stereotypical' manners to one degree or another. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Dorian is smart and, as dragontartare said, uses snark as a defense mechanism, sometimes inappropriately. Some of the flamboyance can also be construed as a "yeah, well here's me in your face", deliberate thumbing of his nose to those who disapprove of him. Dorian has invested a great deal into his self-image as a pariah (which could become a problem for him), and some of his stereotypical behaviour could be seen as part and parcel of that.

Also, is it really a terrible thing if he does care about his appearance and is in fact rather vain and arrogant about it? Or that he prefers using cutting wit over brute force? Not every gay man needs to be required to suddenly act like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti western/Dirty Harry film of your choice lest he appear too stereotypical.

And while his personal quest may have been on the 'sterotypical' side as well, you gonna tell me parents trying to 'convert' their queer offspring never happens IRL? If BioWare chose to go a little on the -ahem- educational side when it comes to characters like Dorian and Krem, again, that's not necessarily a Bad Thing. My Inquisitor just doesn't ask Krem many of the questions available about his being transgendered, because Kai really isn't concerned about it. It's there if the player wants information, and many people really don't know the first thing about it, so they tried to find a balance between making Krem a cool character and a teaching tool. Whether they succeeded is a matter of personal opinion, I suppose.

Also, hopefully having gotten that backstory established in DAI, they can concentrate more on showing Dorian as an intelligent and canny mage/politician in DA4, with the player having a better understanding of why he does some of the things he does (though that may be hoping for far too much depth ). Again, he invested a great deal of his self-image into being a pariah and outsider, so as he becomes more and more a part of the elite Establishment of Tevinter, changing that self-image and the behaviours that go with it may be something he'll have to wrestle with.

I could go one, but that's probably a big enough wall of text for now.   Just one last thing -- sorry, but I don't agree that going back to the DA2 model where everyone's bi! would fix things. With Dorian specifically, I think it would detract from his character. Besides, if someone really, really wants that, there's a mod for it.

There is a golden mean between the two.
And yes, stereotypical people are exist (this is why the stereotype exist...), but sometimes this annoy me.

The problem is, that I does not really like the teaching tales.  Especially not in a videogame, what writed for (young) adults...