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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:09:40 GMT
Also, don't lump this with the other Witcher 3 threads, or I'm out. This focus is different enough for me to not want to get lost in the mess of a thread to follow that is the merged Witcher 3 threads.
Anyway, disclaimer. I couldn't beat The Witcher 3. I tried, I really tried, but the game is so boring and flawed. Did everything in the first world map, and made it as far as hunting for the witch main quest - then doing that cave mission with her. After that I couldn't push myself to keep going with the flaws of this game.
Everyone is tooting this the next benchmark in open world gaming? But this is where the game bombs hardest.
Next, Andromeda really does rip off The Witcher 3 at every turn. Way more then I expected. So all the comparisons of Andromeda to The Witcher 3 are not at all unfound. It's like BioWare took it's skeleton literally and built upon it, because no standard folks are praising The Witcher 3 as the next standard in open and EA wants that open world success formula means they has to rip it off completely. So here are some similarities I've spotted.
- the hold a button long enough to activate something to activate something to save on the lack of buttons for console gamers - the stupidly hard to pinpoint circle thing on NPCs you have to aim for to activate NPS dialog - the way too many NPCs who just talk on their own and constant overlapping dialogs that happen with it - the bland to explore open worlds - the fact that the open world are not just one massive open world like Bethesda games, but several separate open world maps - how combat in open world is very lazy thought out (just copy paste a group of enemies in the same setups over and over - for MEA is the same bases over and over, while for TW3 it's just a boring flat ground with sometimes massive foliage blocking your field of view) - boring combat, but to ME:A's credit, TW3 is way more boring - how exploring open world feels like a chore in both games - how both games are padded with way to many boring fetch quests - the interface for TS3 is also total garbage, lol - in both game interest in collecting items OCD'ness ends soon because of how much crap these games toss at you and because the UI for menus are such balls to navigate that you never both to looks up and manage all this junk anyways. - the stupid scanner, yep, in both games and just as stupid in TW3 - riding the horse sucks, riding the Nomad better, but still sucks. Both only serve purpose to get to next destination. While you can use the Nomad as cover, the horse can sometimes get in the way of combat, lol. - etc, etc.
Gameplay wise and overall design wise, TW3 is actually worse then Andromeda. Not just because of gameplay combat, but how exploration is handled. It literally is a very linear game in a checklist of fetch quest. And you can't just have all the side and main quests market on the map all at once like in Skyrim so you can take the route of least resistance and maybe get sidetracked in discovering and opening/completing new quests discovered on the way to do other quests. No, you can only have one quest at a time highlighted on the map, and to toggle between quests, you have to enter another sub menu, lol. And did I mention on console (PS4) bringing up the map is not instant, but comes with an actual 3 or so seconds of loading?
So yeah, if you want to follow the quests marked on the map, you're basically doing way more riding horse waste of time across boring open world then needed, or wasting extra time in this game's total garbage UI for navigating between menus. "But what about the question marks on the map, surely they are an alternative for more open non-linear exploration" you say? Yeah, well it would have been if those question marks also listed the recommended levels for doing them too, because starting with the second map you end up in areas where enemies are too powerful for you. Meaning you've just arrived at "Waste of time destination! Proceed to next possible waste of time destination through boring over world because you aren't following the one at at time side quests markers marked on your 3 second load screen map!"
How this game got GotY is beyond me. Guess it's all those I have no standards people who say "RPGs don't need gameplay. Just build pretty graphics and story and we will pay." Or in the case of Andromeda "My face is tired animation and graphics to the song and dance of Mac Walters quality of writing & directing? Yes please!"
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 20:12:14 GMT
Also, don't lump this with the other Witcher 3 threads, or I'm out. This focus is different enough for me to not want to get lost in the mess of a thread to follow that is the merged Witcher 3 threads. [...] This is... unexpected. I am sorry you are disappointed, because I remember you were enthusiastic about trying the W3. I hope you will find something different and more to your taste to play than either game. Cheers, and take care.
In the interest of saying something about games, well, I have not played W3, but Andromeda design overall reminds me SWTOR a lot, so I dunno who was ripping whom technically. I honestly do not think the studios are at some sort of a competitive warfare, they are more like a snakepit of friends, and like each other far more than their fans.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 9, 2017 20:15:07 GMT
Another funny guy. I'm so sorry that you are so bored. Go outside, take some air, it's nice and sunny, maybe you will find a reason to live.
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Post by suikoden on May 9, 2017 20:17:01 GMT
Open-world games probably aren't for you. Maybe go back to JRPGs? Something like Persona 5 maybe - but you're in the vast minority as far as TW3 goes.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:17:58 GMT
Another funny guy. I'm so sorry that you are so bored. Go outside, take some air, it's nice and sunny, maybe you will find a reason to live. Sun ain't shining in my area. But is sure is shining in my new Skyrim SE for PS4 with higher frame rate performance mods and an actual non-linear open world to explore.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:18:57 GMT
Open-world games probably aren't for you. Maybe go back to JRPGs? Something like Persona 5 maybe - but you're in the vast minority as far as TW3 goes. They actually are. I absolutely loved Skyrim and Fallout 3. But The Witcher 3 is not an open world game.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 9, 2017 20:21:57 GMT
Another funny guy. I'm so sorry that you are so bored. Go outside, take some air, it's nice and sunny, maybe you will find a reason to live. Sun ain't shining in my area. But is sure is shining in my Skyrim SE for PS4 with higher frame rate performance mods and an actual non-linear open world to explore. I'm happy for you. I'm also amazed and full of respect for the people, who tried so hard to beat the game, which they find so boring. I really do, cause if i find out that game make me sleepy i stop playing, and i never comeback to it. Oh, a word about TW3 and MEA - i beat both of them, and i can tell you one thing - hard to compare two such different games.
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Post by kumazan on May 9, 2017 20:23:34 GMT
Eh, no offense OP, but I think we have enough negativity related to ME:A to further clutter this subforum with negativity directed at games not even made by BioWare?
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:25:28 GMT
Eh, no offense OP, but I think we have enough negativity related to ME:A to further clutter this subforum with negativity directed at games not even made by BioWare? But I'm actually more negative toward The Witcher 3. There's a difference.
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Post by kumazan on May 9, 2017 20:28:02 GMT
Eh, no offense OP, but I think we have enough negativity related to ME:A to further clutter this subforum with negativity directed at games not even made by BioWare? But I'm actually more negative toward The Witcher 3. There's a difference. Which is fair enough. I love The Witcher 3 to bits, but I can see why someone mightn't. What I meant is that there must be a more appropriate subforum to discuss TW3, whatever our opinion of it.
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Post by q5tyhj on May 9, 2017 20:29:02 GMT
Wow... Just wow. Sinful taking the absurdity to levels previously thought impossible.
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Post by samhain444 on May 9, 2017 20:30:02 GMT
I did two playthroughs of TW3 - one prior to the DLC and patches and a second including all DLCs and patches while romancing Triss and Yen respectively; probably about 250 hrs total spread out over 6 months. I really enjoyed my time in CDProjektRed's universe but, after those playthroughs, I never revisited the game again. In the two months since MEA's release, I've spent more hours and had more fun with what BioWare created in ME:A.
To each their own...
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:30:25 GMT
But I'm actually more negative toward The Witcher 3. There's a difference. Which is fair enough. I love The Witcher 3 to bits, but I can see why someone mightn't. What I meant is that there must be a more appropriate subforum to discuss TW3, whatever our opinion of it. Negative. It's relevant in the fact that BioWare EA actually copied TW3 formula to a tea.
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I did two playthroughs of TW3 - one prior to the DLC and patches and a second including all DLCs and patches while romancing Triss and Yen respectively; probably about 250 hrs total spread out over 6 months. I really enjoyed my time in CDProjektRed's universe but, after those playthroughs, I never revisited the game again. In the two months since MEA's release, I've spent more hours and had more fun with what BioWare created in ME:A. To each their own... Same! I played TW3 once, and then its DLC's (also once), but with MEA I haven't stopped playing or enjoying it! I haven't seen many who felt like me, so I kept quiet.
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Post by correctamundo on May 9, 2017 20:32:23 GMT
I guess the whole "open world thing" isn't your thing then? It is what it is, we can't all like all games. I kind of liked dungeon crawling with Keira. The ui, journal, inventory etc is of course as painful in TW3 as in MEA. All in all I very much like both these games but MEA ticka a lot more boxes for me and so I spend more time in it. Here, have one. Edit: Aha ok Skyrim etc I see. Great stuff as well. Cheers.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:32:33 GMT
Wow... Just wow. Sinful taking the absurdity to levels previously thought impossible. TW3 has serious flaws. Anyone denying them is wrong.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 9, 2017 20:32:55 GMT
Open-world games probably aren't for you. Maybe go back to JRPGs? Something like Persona 5 maybe - but you're in the vast minority as far as TW3 goes. They actually are. I absolutely loved Skyrim and Fallout 3. But The Witcher 3 is not an open world game. I can't play those titles anymore. Three achievements with Witcher 3 and I don't care about pushing it forward. Geralt wasn't for me. Shepard, the Hero of Ferelden, the Champion of Kirkwall, the Inquisitor, and (GRUDGINGLY) Ryder have become my go to role-playing guys. Fallout 4 no longer holds any mystery for me. I sometimes come back to Fallout 4 because of the talented modding community gives me a real reason to go back and explore. Back in the day, Bioware used to encourage projects and modding. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 9, 2017 20:33:15 GMT
So at the end we should blame CDPR for making TW3 or BioWare cause they are lazy and instead of making their own game they adapt someone else formula ?
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:34:13 GMT
I guess the whole "open world thing" isn't your thing then? It is what it is, we can't all like all games. I kind of liked dungeon crawling with Keira. The ui, journal, inventory etc is of course as painful in TW3 as in MEA. All in all I very much like both these games but MEA ticka a lot more boxes for me and so I spend more time in it. Here, have one. Dude, I've just started another playthrough of Skyrim. This time the Special Edition version for my PS4. And stop calling TW3 open world or RPG. It's not. It's a linear action adventure game.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:34:42 GMT
So at the end we should blame CDPR for making TW3 or BioWare cause they are lazy and instead of making their own game they adapt someone else formula ? I see nothing wrong with that.
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Post by correctamundo on May 9, 2017 20:37:09 GMT
I guess the whole "open world thing" isn't your thing then? It is what it is, we can't all like all games. I kind of liked dungeon crawling with Keira. The ui, journal, inventory etc is of course as painful in TW3 as in MEA. All in all I very much like both these games but MEA ticka a lot more boxes for me and so I spend more time in it. Here, have one. Dude, I've just started another playthrough of Skyrim. This time the Special Edition version for my PS4. And stop calling TW3 open world or RPG. It's not. It's a linear action adventure game. I hear you, just added that in edit.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:37:41 GMT
They actually are. I absolutely loved Skyrim and Fallout 3. But The Witcher 3 is not an open world game. I can't play those titles anymore. Three achievements with Witcher 3 and I don't care about pushing it forward. Geralt wasn't for me. Shepard, the Hero of Ferelden, the Champion of Kirkwall, the Inquisitor, and (GRUDGINGLY) Ryder have become my go to role-playing guys. Fallout 4 no longer holds any mystery for me. I sometimes come back to Fallout 4 because of the talented modding community gives me a real reason to go back and explore. Back in the day, Bioware used to encourage projects and modding. EA, Enthusiasm Annihilated. Yes, it is harder to return to open world RPGs. But at least in the past I've put in hundreds of hours in Skryim and Fallout 3, while for TW3 I couldn't keep playing through this game's painful flaws without feeling like I'm totally wasting my time. And I really did try to play it further just for the sake of having a better comparison to MEA.
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Post by q5tyhj on May 9, 2017 20:37:50 GMT
Wow... Just wow. Sinful taking the absurdity to levels previously thought impossible. TW3 has serious flaws. Anyone denying them is wrong. mmmkay sinful
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Post by wright1978 on May 9, 2017 20:40:19 GMT
Personally I liked tw3, not as good as the tw2 imo though due to it's only somewhat successful marrying of open world and story. I enjoyed mea but I think it equally struggled with that dichotomy at times.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 20:42:25 GMT
Here's is some context. I can't play RPGs just solely for graphics and story. It's the main reason I'm having trouble going back to play older BioWare (SWotOR) and Bethesda games (Morrowind & Oblivion). And a main reason I find Fallout 3 more enjoyable then Skyrim because guns more fun then swords. And why the only two modern RPGs I always revisit non-stop and on a regular basis are Mass Effect Trilogy and the Dark/Demon Souls series.
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