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Post by henkiedepost on May 9, 2017 21:09:14 GMT
I respect your opinions about The Witcher 3 but I disagree that Andromeda 'sucks' because it resembles The Witcher too much. Mostly because the statement that a game sucks or not is subjective 9 out of 10 times but also because I find it difficult to really pinpoint actual similarities between both games. One's a fantasy game whilst the other is sci-fi. One is solely based around a pre-rendered character and the other has to account for custom characters combined with numerous permanent squadmates. One is heavily based on finishing the story of a trilogy whilst the other is more about exploring the unknown and starting anew. One has a focus on heavy and difficult choices whilst the other (apart from a few key choices in the main story) is mostly centered around choices without repercussions. One has a philosophy where sidecontent holds a story most of the time whereas the other has no problem with adding a sh**ton of tasks and assignments to fill its worlds with. One is based on regional exploration whilst the other is about exploring multiple planets which makes the way the Open World turns out to be really different. I could expand the list some more but I believe this is quite enough for now.
This also explains for me why I consider The Witcher 3 one of the best games I've ever played, (a statement which I not make lightly) whilst Andromeda currently finds itself in the mid-tier of okay-to-good games. They are, for me, nothing alike as demonstrated before. I'm also kinda baffled that you make so many comparisons which I feel don't hold up at all like 'the sidecontent in both games is boring'. It's of course possible that you didn't like the side-content in both games and I'm not judgeing that, but I see quite a lot of differences so that's what I'm contesting here. In TW3 most, if not all, sidecontent takes place on the same map. Quests are only one fast-travel point away. They often offer a plot-twist, a unique monster to fight or a specific mechanic created for the sidequest itself. The choices you make actually return one way or the other later on in the game. Andromeda, on the other hand, offers loading screens all the time. For a single quest, like Contagion for example, you have to go through multiple loading screens in the nexus, followed my multiple loading screens when you travel through the cluster . At the end of a quest you'll have to make a decision which seems hard but has NO consequences at all. In between you'll mostly fight some generic rogues with a bigger one mixed in between. No special enemies for sidequests at all. In fact, no special enemies anywhere. Even the Architects play out exactly the same on all planets. For me the differences are quite obvious to be honest. Then again, I'm not attacking you in any way for not liking The Witcher 3. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions. I fail to see the comparisions between TW3 and Andromeda however. To me, they're practically nothing alike. If i'd compare them here again, which I don't really want to do because there are already enough people doing that on these boards, I would compare them for their differences and not for their similarities.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 21:09:59 GMT
Oh stop being butthurt that I don't like your precious TW3. settle down, I'm participating in your thread in the spirit in which it was created: you don't get to be the only one posting random silly stuff here Oh, that explains all on how wrong I was about TW3! It's a masterpiece! How foolish I was.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on May 9, 2017 21:12:38 GMT
- how combat in open world is very lazy thought out (just copy paste a group of enemies in the same setups over and over - for MEA is the same bases over and over, while for TW3 it's just a boring flat ground with sometimes massive foliage blocking your field of view) - boring combat, but to ME:A's credit, TW3 is way more boring - how exploring open world feels like a chore in both games Love how you use the first two as criticisms of ME:A and TW3, and then praise Skyrim. Despite my love of TW3, I'm fine admitting that the combat isn't fantastic. I still enjoy it, but it does have issues. But Skyrim combat is terrible. Looks bad, bland to play. It's fine to like Skyrim anyway, but it's the same situation you state for ME:A and TW3. Except worse. And I guess, what, you didn't go into all those caves, ruins, and bandit fortresses? Same few enemy types, same setups, over and over. And over. And the last one is more a matter of taste, but I had the opposite reaction. TW3 made me want to ride around and explore, Skyrim I had to force myself through by force of willpower and boredom. It's pretty and all, but the content and quests are so... ehhhhhh. I can at least agree that BioWare is garbage at open world. I'd say the reason DA:I was so bleh is because they were trying to emulate Skyrim. And somehow made the exploration/side content outside of the main story and companions worse in comparison.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 9, 2017 21:14:09 GMT
OP rips everything, says he loves Fallout 3....
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 21:22:02 GMT
- how combat in open world is very lazy thought out (just copy paste a group of enemies in the same setups over and over - for MEA is the same bases over and over, while for TW3 it's just a boring flat ground with sometimes massive foliage blocking your field of view) - boring combat, but to ME:A's credit, TW3 is way more boring - how exploring open world feels like a chore in both games Love how you use the first two as criticisms of ME:A and TW3, and then praise Skyrim. Despite my love of TW3, I'm fine admitting that the combat isn't fantastic. I still enjoy it, but it does have issues. But Skyrim combat is terrible. Looks bad, bland to play. It's fine to like Skyrim anyway, but it's the same situation you state for ME:A and TW3. Except worse. And I guess, what, you didn't go into all those caves, ruins, and bandit fortresses? Same few enemy types, same setups, over and over. And over. And the last one is more a matter of taste, but I had the opposite reaction. TW3 made me want to ride around and explore, Skyrim I had to force myself through by force of willpower and boredom. It's pretty and all, but the content and quests are so... ehhhhhh. Yes, Skyrim combat is pretty ho-hum, but I still had way more fun with it then TW3 (in the TW3 combat is literally like a third person 3d movement arena hack n slah fighter, like Wu Tang for PS1). That and how good the exploration system in Skyrim was by comparison. People also say Mass Effect 1 game play is pretty ho-hum, and certainly has it's flaws, but to this day I love it and still have a great time with it.
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Post by timebean on May 9, 2017 21:22:25 GMT
Sorry it didn't jive with you (I think I was one of the folks that recommended it to you...so...sorry bout that! ) I personally liked... Skyrim - pretty, fun to mod, dragons, and dragon shouts? Hooray! TW3 - dark lore, monsters, dry humor, swords, and Gwent? I'll take it! Inquisition - more Dragon Age? Hell ya! Let me have it! MEA - spaceship, aliens, nomad, crew banter? Whooppee! Hated the Fallout games - snooze fest with annoying menus? No thanks! Not a fan of Assassin's Creed either - collectables and templars? Ugg!So...I guess that means I tend to like open-worldish games, but not all of them. I'm not even sure what the magic formula is for the games I personally like versus those that I don't. Thus, I can't really tell a developer what they should be doing to please me!
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Post by suikoden on May 9, 2017 21:23:01 GMT
settle down, I'm participating in your thread in the spirit in which it was created: you don't get to be the only one posting random silly stuff here Oh, that explains all on how wrong I was about TW3! It's a masterpiece! How foolish I was.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 21:24:25 GMT
OP rips everything, says he loves Fallout 3.... Because shooting is more fun then whatever it is you do in TW3.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 21:28:13 GMT
OP rips everything, says he loves Fallout 3.... Because shooting is more fun then whatever it is you do in TW3.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 9, 2017 21:30:27 GMT
- how combat in open world is very lazy thought out (just copy paste a group of enemies in the same setups over and over - for MEA is the same bases over and over, while for TW3 it's just a boring flat ground with sometimes massive foliage blocking your field of view) - boring combat, but to ME:A's credit, TW3 is way more boring - how exploring open world feels like a chore in both games Love how you use the first two as criticisms of ME:A and TW3, and then praise Skyrim. Despite my love of TW3, I'm fine admitting that the combat isn't fantastic. I still enjoy it, but it does have issues. But Skyrim combat is terrible. Looks bad, bland to play. It's fine to like Skyrim anyway, but it's the same situation you state for ME:A and TW3. Except worse. And I guess, what, you didn't go into all those caves, ruins, and bandit fortresses? Same few enemy types, same setups, over and over. And over. And the last one is more a matter of taste, but I had the opposite reaction. TW3 made me want to ride around and explore, Skyrim I had to force myself through by force of willpower and boredom. It's pretty and all, but the content and quests are so... ehhhhhh. I can at least agree that BioWare is garbage at open world. I'd say the reason DA:I was so bleh is because they were trying to emulate Skyrim. And somehow made the exploration/side content outside of the main story and companions worse in comparison. Can I just ask a general question (not necessarily just to you, just quoting you because your post gave me the thought): Which game does have good combat? Because I personally like the combat in Witcher 3, Skyrim and ME:A. They are all very different and they all advantages and disadvantages but they all work exceptionally well for their games. - Witcher 3's combat is mostly focused on staying moving and thus avoid getting hit, then find an opening and exploit it. In conjunction with the signs, alchemy and the different ability sets, it offers quite a bit o variety to explore. Sure, once you found the most efficient setup for yourself, it gets a bit repetitive but hey, after 100+ hours, that's kind of a given. - Skyrim focuses on the immersion first and foremost IMO. Given that it is designed for first person, you mainly time blocks and strikes and use magic for support. You can also turn it into a shooter or even a stealth game, depending on your abilities (though I will admit, at higher levels, these mechanics get somewhat broken). It does pretty well in giving you the "I am in the thick of it" feeling. - ME:A: Well, it's a shooter first and foremost and it has pretty decent variety in weapons and - in combination with the powers - it offers very different play-styles, from sniper to melee-shotgunner. Just like Witcher, if you don't start switching things up by yourself, it get repetitive over time but again, it's a long game, there is hardly a way around that. All three games have the issue of a reversed difficulty curve that is almost inherent in RPGs, which makes the repetitive feeling even worse. But when compared to other RPGs with real time combat, which one do people think is so much better than these? In the end, all three try to do very different things and I like them all for achieving in their areas to quite some extent.
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Post by kino on May 9, 2017 21:30:29 GMT
Hey, sometimes a game isn't to a persons taste. I'm the same way about the Borderland and Fallout series. It happens. For myself, I love both ME:A and W3, but that's me.
Here's to hoping you drop into a game that you enjoy, OP.
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Post by malanek on May 9, 2017 21:33:33 GMT
I couldn't get into the Witcher 3 either, I wasn't enjoying any of it (I enjoyed TW2). There is definitely a similarity between it and Andromeda. TW3 seems a generally more polished game where they put in a lot of effort, while MEA had more outstanding flaws, but at least I found the combat in MEA to be generally enjoyable whereas TW3's combat is garbage. I wish Bioware would move back to making more story and combat focused games, rather than exploration based games.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 9, 2017 21:33:57 GMT
Alright, I need to go outdoors for a hike and chill with some cardio. I'll be back.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 9, 2017 21:45:18 GMT
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Post by Blast Processor on May 9, 2017 21:50:26 GMT
OP rips everything, says he loves Fallout 3....
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Post by Realguile on May 9, 2017 21:51:31 GMT
Here's is some context. I can't play RPGs just solely for graphics and story. It's the main reason I'm having trouble going back to play older BioWare (SWotOR) and Bethesda games (Morrowind & Oblivion). And a main reason I find Fallout 3 more enjoyable then Skyrim because guns more fun then swords. And why the only two modern RPGs I always revisit non-stop and on a regular basis are Mass Effect Trilogy and the Dark/Demon Souls series. You seem like a self motivated gamer. i am too so I know what you're talking about. The witcher 3 was a snorefest with a sandpaper MC and a boring world full of boring people. I have not clue why so many developer look to the the witcher rather than carving out their own style.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 9, 2017 21:52:45 GMT
Ok so the mission with Keira is not that great. Also, the game has very, very slow start. It's pretty slow through most of the game actually, but the side quests and how you randomly discover them is where the game shines. It is very much open world with various open world maps, but you're right that it is linear in the main story like MEA to gain access to new maps. The combat is also meh until later when you invest in skills. I suggest the powers and light and strong attacks. The powers have awesome alternate spells that get later, and the attacks become really powerful. Do the shield, force push, and fire. The magic trap works well for ghosts only really. Also start hunting for witcher gear/blueprints. The game also gets better once you start getting to know the characters, gwent tourneys, and bestiaries for hunts.
I suggest, place the marker randomly on the map. travel and interact with anything organically that you come across. Stop at the first town to pick up a witcher contract and complete it.
The UI is very clunky. I never understood why people complain about MEA's UI when witcher's is much worse. It makes sense with all the items and mechanics though.
Again, the game is really slow at times, but it ultimately pays off later with an incredible experience. Also, if you don't enjoy the various stories, characters, and atmosphere of the world then yeah, this may not be for you. I personally love Game of Thrones and Witcher 3 is basically game of thrones, the video game in many ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 21:56:41 GMT
Here's is some context. I can't play RPGs just solely for graphics and story. It's the main reason I'm having trouble going back to play older BioWare (SWotOR) and Bethesda games (Morrowind & Oblivion). And a main reason I find Fallout 3 more enjoyable then Skyrim because guns more fun then swords. And why the only two modern RPGs I always revisit non-stop and on a regular basis are Mass Effect Trilogy and the Dark/Demon Souls series. You seem like a self motivated gamer. i am too so I know what you're talking about. The witcher 3 was a snorefest with a sandpaper MC and a boring world full of boring people. I have not clue why so many developer look to the the witcher rather than carving out their own style. I don't mind that the MEA team made missions similar to TW3 quests. I found less fetch quests and more meaningful quests in MEA compared to DAI. Some of them had so much banter I forgot they weren't even a main mission! Problem is, TW3 was overly hyped imo, so naturally other gaming companies will take ideas from it even if some of the rave reviews imo were biased or overly exaggerated. I liked TW3, but it didn't feel like a world I could lose myself in. Not like DA, ME and TES.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 9, 2017 22:02:14 GMT
I will say this, it has a heck of a soundtrack. I think Morris did a better job on DAI than Przybylowicz though.
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Post by Reorte on May 9, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
TW3 got a bit samey, and suffered a bit from "here's a map marker for the sake of their being a map marker" syndrome, or "here's a bunch of enemies running around on the spot waiting for you to turn up and kill them." The scripted stuff all integrated better than Andromeda, less of a chore. I prefer Skyrim to both, the world felt more natural and less repetitive, despite "here's another cave, here's another fort that's inexplicably iceberg-like with how much is underground" etc. TW3 is a good game but I feel a bit over-rated, and Andromeda I feel despite its weaknesses is under-rated, although the weakest of the three. Not played DAI. Fallout is OK in chunks but the world is just too much of a mess to want to explore.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 9, 2017 22:04:29 GMT
Have you played Horizon Zero Dawn or Zelda BOTW yet?
I love Skyrim and Fallout 4 as well, but I wish/hope they use a new engine going forward and completely change up combat. I much prefer the 3rd person play style
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Post by KaiserShep on May 9, 2017 22:09:45 GMT
Have you played Horizon Zero Dawn or Zelda BOTW yet? I love Skyrim and Fallout 4 as well, but I wish/hope they use a new engine going forward and completely change up combat. I much prefer the 3rd person play style I love HZD so far. It has a really great atmosphere as well.
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Post by amleth on May 9, 2017 22:09:55 GMT
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Post by smilesja on May 9, 2017 22:11:10 GMT
I hate fallout 3. Horrible plot, horrible voice acting, horrible character models, boring quests. Uh. New Vegas FTW. ...and F1\F2 ofc. Heh..... I loved Fallout 3 . Looks like I'm the only one besides the OP who does.
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