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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 19:21:19 GMT
Again, my point is not to say that TW3 was overtly buggy at release... my point is that 2 years later, the bugs still exist in the game. CDPR really isn't any "better" in that area than other developer companies. In this day and age, they release games with bugs, they fix the worst of them for a period of time but they all leave bugs that never do get fixed... and the player is left using workarounds. In the case of TW3, that workaround is often a save and reload... but that triggers the little reload blurb and takes time and it makes the game less enjoyable to play. CDPR fans "forgive" this, brush it off... when mentioned here, it typically gets 1) responses saying "I didn't experience any bugs" or "They were so minor, I don't see them as a problem." Bioware, on the other hands, gets annihilated on every front... I've even seen a "complaint" on these boaards about them having patched the game and not patched every single bug fans have been listing... and we're only, what, a little over 2 months after the game was released. ME:A was not "remardably robust" at release... but it has been steadily improved upon since release. Bioware deserves some credit for that... they're working hard to patch it and doing a good job of it even though they are working under all the stress of having a such overtly hostile "fan" base. Some of the bugs they've been ripped apart for do exist in TW3 and others seem somewhat inherent in the release of open-world games. When are the fans going to stop treating Bioware with such overt and ridiculous maliciousness? The ME3 endings weren't great... but they weren't all THAT bad either... and they certainly do not warrant the 5 years of this shit that Bioware has been receiving. There are always going to be people who complain and hold grudges against companies for their past decisions or issues with current games. However, I would still argue it's disingenuous to suggest Bioware is simply the victim of bias or overt and ridiculous maliciousness. What if the answer is this: overall, people haven't been as impressed with Bioware's most recent title(s) as they've been with titles in the same genre or time frame? The proof is in the critic reviews, fan reviews and sales. I can respect and understand each and every person who doesn't like TW3 and had problems with TW3, but I don't believe that changes the facts. It may seem a bit disingenuous... but the other thing to consider here is the amount of pre-release criticism ME:A and Bioware received... before anyone could possibly have been identifying actual existing bugs within the game and long before they could assess the game's writing. This game was set up to be a failure and people here were speculating about being disappointed over it even a full year before it was released. Bioware IS a victim of overt and ridiculous maliciousness... fans just haven't behaved like that prior to the release of a CDPR or Bethseda game. Then, many people are clearly saying that the bugs they experience were no where near as severe as people here were making them out to be... and clearly many of them have been fixed in these subsequent patches. Still, my point is not that this game or that game is better or worse than the other. The nature of the bugs themselves are similar - duplication "ghost" characters, sinking into the terrain or floating above it, odd head or body spins. Other issues are similar - breaks in story logic when certain quests are done in a order different from what the developer probably expected them to be done it, flatter character personalities (which hurts Bioware's stories more than CDPR's because of the type of choices each developer tries to focus on during the game - CDPR making more "NPC live or die" choices and Bioware making more choices that try to developer the PC's personality (in the case of MET paragon or renegade; in the case of ME:A casual or professional). A heavy reliance of collection/looting is another feature of the open-world template... that also involves crafting. Means of covering open-world distances are also an issue... TW3 has Roach (a source of frustration for some) and Fast Travel (which is totally out of "character" for the times) and a problem with having the incidental "quests" work with whatever the player's level is at (i.e. either you're trying to kill off red skulls or your rewards/loot are probably serious under your level)... and there are similar "complaints" about ME:A. It's not just that I don't like TW3... I'm just not "starry-eyed" over a big open world when it detracts from my ability to follow the story and/or to navigate the "game" (i.e. kill enemies appropriate to my level and receive rewards appropriate to my level). The overall game template for ME3 was, IMO, one of the best for Bioware's style of story. A couple things they could have done to make that template better - add back in more dialogue wheels (something personally I didn't miss, but others would certainly have been happier) and a little bit more open level design (i.e. they did not have to go to the big, massive open world concept like TW3). ME3's upgrade system was very streamlined and "satisfying" in that one did not have to spend hours looting and going out of one ways to loot to get decent weapons and upgrades. Yeah, I fully admit, I like shooters with good campaigns... that is, I don't have to heavily RPG to enjoy a game... still, I do like to do personality based role play. TW3 doesn't deliver that sort of role play... Geralt is Geralt and nothing I do in the game changes him. Yeah, I can have different NPCs survive and change who wins the war... but that sort of choice in a story is NOT as intriguing to me as changing around the personality of my PC. In ME:A, Bioware lost a lot of that. The Ryder twins do not come across as being as flexible in their personalities as Shepard did. Bioware, it seems, gave it up to follow TW3 down the hugely, massive open-world game fad... and that's a shame.
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Post by geralt on Jun 2, 2017 11:46:01 GMT
It may seem a bit disingenuous... but the other thing to consider here is the amount of pre-release criticism ME:A and Bioware received... before anyone could possibly have been identifying actual existing bugs within the game and long before they could assess the game's writing. This game was set up to be a failure and people here were speculating about being disappointed over it even a full year before it was released. Bioware IS a victim of overt and ridiculous maliciousness... It's a victim of badly writing it's ME trilogy ending, and subsequent strategy which varied from complete silence for weeks to doubling down on a busted flush, when it was crystal clear the vast majority were not on board with what they done. To have a chance of winning people back, Andromeda had to be very good and get people bought into it from the get-go. Instead they released it as they did, knowing full well it wasn't worthy of even being called a beta release, therefore insulted and slapped it's fans on the face once again. In short, they have made their own bed and are justifiably paying a price for doing so. It didn't need to be that way, but that's how they did it so there is consequences for that. I'm not saying what's going on now is the consequences they are properly due to suffer, but that's what happens when you annoy fans of anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 12:12:23 GMT
It may seem a bit disingenuous... but the other thing to consider here is the amount of pre-release criticism ME:A and Bioware received... before anyone could possibly have been identifying actual existing bugs within the game and long before they could assess the game's writing. This game was set up to be a failure and people here were speculating about being disappointed over it even a full year before it was released. Bioware IS a victim of overt and ridiculous maliciousness... It's a victim of badly writing it's ME trilogy ending, and subsequent strategy which varied from complete silence for weeks to doubling down on a busted flush, when it was crystal clear the vast majority were not on board with what they done. To have a chance of winning people back, Andromeda had to be very good and get people bought into it from the get-go. Instead they released it as they did, knowing full well it wasn't worthy of even being called a beta release, therefore insulted and slapped it's fans on the face once again. In short, they have made their own bed and are justifiably paying a price for doing so. It didn't need to be that way, but that's how they did it so there is consequences for that. I'm not saying what's going on now is the consequences they are properly due to suffer, but that's what happens when you annoy fans of anything. Disagree... the silence was necessary because the fan base was tearing apart absolutely every tidbit that was released. It didn't matter what was said pre-release... all the fan base would do with it was engage in a whole bunch of negative speculation... running the game into the dirt a year before it was even released. Had Bioware attempted to keep the fan base "informed," it would have just added fuel to the piranha's feeding frenzy of negativity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 13:51:21 GMT
It may seem a bit disingenuous... but the other thing to consider here is the amount of pre-release criticism ME:A and Bioware received... before anyone could possibly have been identifying actual existing bugs within the game and long before they could assess the game's writing. This game was set up to be a failure and people here were speculating about being disappointed over it even a full year before it was released. Bioware IS a victim of overt and ridiculous maliciousness... It's a victim of badly writing it's ME trilogy ending, and subsequent strategy which varied from complete silence for weeks to doubling down on a busted flush, when it was crystal clear the vast majority were not on board with what they done. To have a chance of winning people back, Andromeda had to be very good and get people bought into it from the get-go. Instead they released it as they did, knowing full well it wasn't worthy of even being called a beta release, therefore insulted and slapped it's fans on the face once again. In short, they have made their own bed and are justifiably paying a price for doing so. It didn't need to be that way, but that's how they did it so there is consequences for that. I'm not saying what's going on now is the consequences they are properly due to suffer, but that's what happens when you annoy fans of anything. What happened, they have released an excellent game after another darn great game, and people still ripped it to shreds, because they are people. It's awfully unfair.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Jun 2, 2017 14:07:34 GMT
That people didn't care for Andromeda is unfair? What an absurd statement!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 15:06:11 GMT
That people didn't care for Andromeda is unfair? What an absurd statement! (Shrug) The world is an unfair place, where both genius and efforts oft go unappreciated by the majority, and punished. There is nothing absurd about it. It's only human nature. The gamers are gamers, and they want what they want.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 2, 2017 15:22:24 GMT
It's a victim of badly writing it's ME trilogy ending, and subsequent strategy which varied from complete silence for weeks to doubling down on a busted flush, when it was crystal clear the vast majority were not on board with what they done. To have a chance of winning people back, Andromeda had to be very good and get people bought into it from the get-go. Instead they released it as they did, knowing full well it wasn't worthy of even being called a beta release, therefore insulted and slapped it's fans on the face once again. In short, they have made their own bed and are justifiably paying a price for doing so. It didn't need to be that way, but that's how they did it so there is consequences for that. I'm not saying what's going on now is the consequences they are properly due to suffer, but that's what happens when you annoy fans of anything. Disagree... the silence was necessary because the fan base was tearing apart absolutely every tidbit that was released. It didn't matter what was said pre-release... all the fan base would do with it was engage in a whole bunch of negative speculation... running the game into the dirt a year before it was even released. Had Bioware attempted to keep the fan base "informed," it would have just added fuel to the piranha's feeding frenzy of negativity. People made fun of all the animation issues in the pre-release videos and speculated that the game had animation issues. Seems pretty deserved to me, why have faith in a product when the marketing is setting off alarm bells?
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Post by mugwump v1 on Jun 2, 2017 15:41:11 GMT
That people didn't care for Andromeda is unfair? What an absurd statement! (Shrug) The world is an unfair place, where both genius and efforts oft go unappreciated by the majority, and punished. There is nothing absurd about it. It's only human nature. The gamers are gamers, and they want what they want. Good grief!
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Post by chawktrick on Jun 2, 2017 17:20:21 GMT
Disagree... the silence was necessary because the fan base was tearing apart absolutely every tidbit that was released. It didn't matter what was said pre-release... all the fan base would do with it was engage in a whole bunch of negative speculation... running the game into the dirt a year before it was even released. Had Bioware attempted to keep the fan base "informed," it would have just added fuel to the piranha's feeding frenzy of negativity. People made fun of all the animation issues in the pre-release videos and speculated that the game had animation issues. Seems pretty deserved to me, why have faith in a product when the marketing is setting off alarm bells? Not only was the pre-release information raising red flags, but then the game was released and it was heavily impacted by comedic/frustrating bugs and questionable content decisions. I strongly disagree with the narrative some are putting forth here that Bioware is a victim of misplaced malevolence or outright bias. That's a circumstantial opinion. Maybe Andromeda just isn't that great of a game. People need to stop acting offended by this type of statement. This game has an average metacritic score of 73 and average user score of 4.8. That's not some conspiracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 17:37:46 GMT
People made fun of all the animation issues in the pre-release videos and speculated that the game had animation issues. Seems pretty deserved to me, why have faith in a product when the marketing is setting off alarm bells? Not only was the pre-release information raising red flags, but then the game was released and it was heavily impacted by comedic/frustrating bugs and questionable content decisions. I strongly disagree with the narrative some are putting forth here that Bioware is a victim of misplaced malevolence or outright bias. That's a circumstantial opinion. Maybe Andromeda just isn't that great of a game. People need to stop acting offended by this type of statement. This game has an average metacritic score of 73 and average user score of 4.8. That's not some conspiracy. For me it is a great game. I do not have access to those other sites. The poll on this site, where I (and everyone else on this site) can vote, has a higher score:
bsn.boards.net/thread/6809/bsner-reviews-thread-based-completed
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Post by chawktrick on Jun 2, 2017 17:48:19 GMT
Not only was the pre-release information raising red flags, but then the game was released and it was heavily impacted by comedic/frustrating bugs and questionable content decisions. I strongly disagree with the narrative some are putting forth here that Bioware is a victim of misplaced malevolence or outright bias. That's a circumstantial opinion. Maybe Andromeda just isn't that great of a game. People need to stop acting offended by this type of statement. This game has an average metacritic score of 73 and average user score of 4.8. That's not some conspiracy. For me it is a great game. I do not have access to those other sites. The poll on this site, where I (and everyone else on this site) can vote, has a higher score:
bsn.boards.net/thread/6809/bsner-reviews-thread-based-completed
I have no problem with anyone who thinks this is a great game. That's their opinion, and if they love it, that's all that matters. However, on the whole, based on overall critic and user reviews, Andromeda is not a great game. We could get bogged down in the minutiae of "great game" vs "not a great game" but that's dull. As for the poll you cited, I wouldn't put as much weight on it as you appear to. That data is from a forum comprised of mostly dedicated fans who find interest/appeal in signing up to voice their opinions on a video game message board. That's a miniscule subset of the overall player base. It barely has 600 votes. Metacritic is a conglomerate of dozens of critic reviews and thousands of player ratings from those who are huge Mass Effect fans to the more casual gamer. It's a more accurate representation of the bigger picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 17:53:11 GMT
I have no problem with anyone who thinks this is a great game. That's their opinion, and if they love it, that's all that matters. However, on the whole, based on critic reviews, user reviews and sales figures, Andromeda is not a great game. We could get bogged down in the minutiae of "great game" vs "not a great game" but that's dull. As for the poll, I wouldn't put as much weight on it as you appear to. That's a poll from a forum comprised of mostly dedicated fans who find interest/appeal in signing up to voice their opinions on a video game message board. That's a very, very, very small subset of the overall player base. It barely has 600 votes. Metacritic is a conglomerate of dozens of critic reviews and thousands of player ratings from those who are huge Mass Effect fans to the more casual gamer. It's a more accurate representation of the bigger picture. This is specifically what I have stated. That the masses did not like the Andromeda. And that as a result I will suffer in the future as the games will be created more along the lines of the games that were higher rated. But I disagree that this has to mean that the games that are higher rated are necessarily better than those that are rated lower. The rating is a reflection of the tastes of the audiences and I can't say I have much in common with a lot of folks I met in the videogames and on the forums.
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Post by chawktrick on Jun 2, 2017 18:00:53 GMT
I have no problem with anyone who thinks this is a great game. That's their opinion, and if they love it, that's all that matters. However, on the whole, based on critic reviews, user reviews and sales figures, Andromeda is not a great game. We could get bogged down in the minutiae of "great game" vs "not a great game" but that's dull. As for the poll, I wouldn't put as much weight on it as you appear to. That's a poll from a forum comprised of mostly dedicated fans who find interest/appeal in signing up to voice their opinions on a video game message board. That's a very, very, very small subset of the overall player base. It barely has 600 votes. Metacritic is a conglomerate of dozens of critic reviews and thousands of player ratings from those who are huge Mass Effect fans to the more casual gamer. It's a more accurate representation of the bigger picture. This is specifically what I have stated. That the masses did not like the Andromeda. And that as a result I will suffer in the future as the games will be created more along the lines of the games that were higher rated. But I disagree that this has to mean that the games that are higher rated are necessarily better than those that are rated lower. The rating is a reflection of the tastes of the audiences. To be fair, I never made a direct or sweeping conclusion that higher rated games are better games. I'm merely defending my position that Bioware and ME:A are not the victim of bias or maliciousness. I made this analogy earlier, but think of the directors/producers who claim websites like Rotten Tomatoes are ruining modern cinema because massive amounts of negative reviews can impact box office reception. Why do we blame the fans... i.e. the people PAYING for a product... for an insufficient product? Maybe the problem isn't moviegoers... maybe it's people making bad movies. A similar approach can be taken towards video games. We shouldn't blame customers for pointing out flaws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 18:13:44 GMT
This is specifically what I have stated. That the masses did not like the Andromeda. And that as a result I will suffer in the future as the games will be created more along the lines of the games that were higher rated. But I disagree that this has to mean that the games that are higher rated are necessarily better than those that are rated lower. The rating is a reflection of the tastes of the audiences. To be fair, I never made a direct or sweeping conclusion that higher rated games are better games. I'm merely defending my position that Bioware and ME:A are not the victim of bias or maliciousness. I made this analogy earlier, but think of the directors/producers who claim websites like Rotten Tomatoes are ruining modern cinema because massive amounts of negative reviews can impact box office reception. Why do we blame the fans... i.e. the people PAYING for a product... for an insufficient product? Maybe the problem isn't moviegoers... maybe it's people making bad movies. A similar approach can be taken towards video games. We shouldn't blame customers for pointing out flaws. No, I cannot blame humans for being humans. I can only mourn it and be convinced that the future of my entertainment is bleak & to not be outright terrified by extension.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 2, 2017 18:46:03 GMT
Not only was the pre-release information raising red flags, but then the game was released and it was heavily impacted by comedic/frustrating bugs and questionable content decisions. I strongly disagree with the narrative some are putting forth here that Bioware is a victim of misplaced malevolence or outright bias. That's a circumstantial opinion. Maybe Andromeda just isn't that great of a game. People need to stop acting offended by this type of statement. This game has an average metacritic score of 73 and average user score of 4.8. That's not some conspiracy. For me it is a great game. I do not have access to those other sites. The poll on this site, where I (and everyone else on this site) can vote, has a higher score:
bsn.boards.net/thread/6809/bsner-reviews-thread-based-completed
You realize this is a fan site where most people love the game... using this as an example is kinda pathetic and in no way represents anything other than a rose-tinted glasses view. Game is also averaging a 70% for PS4 - the version with by far the most reviews.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 19:02:56 GMT
Disagree... the silence was necessary because the fan base was tearing apart absolutely every tidbit that was released. It didn't matter what was said pre-release... all the fan base would do with it was engage in a whole bunch of negative speculation... running the game into the dirt a year before it was even released. Had Bioware attempted to keep the fan base "informed," it would have just added fuel to the piranha's feeding frenzy of negativity. People made fun of all the animation issues in the pre-release videos and speculated that the game had animation issues. Seems pretty deserved to me, why have faith in a product when the marketing is setting off alarm bells? They made fun of the animation issues based on just a short preview of the game by a few people... but that's not the pre-release complaining I'm talking about... I'm talking about months before anyone saw anything of the game at all... they ripped the premise apart based on their own speculations about how Bioware would be unable to retcon the move to Andromeda into the old lore, they speculated that it would not feel like a Mass Effect game, and on and on and on. Whenever it was pointed out to them that they were ripping a game apart that didn't even exist yet... they said they would rather be negative ahead of time merely to avoid getting hyped and being disappointed by it... but in doing it to the extremes that they did... they set the game itself up for failure. People were fully expecting to reject it entirely long before release. They were never open-minded about it. When there a preconceived negative idea planted so strongly in the media that far in advance... there's really not even a snowball's chance in hell of it being well received and any of its flaws being considered minor enough to warrant being overlooked. Now, they want to deny that all that happened. They want people to believe that it all just started with the animations. Sorry, it started long before that. The "fans" ripping this game apart starting doing it long before they had any real excuse to. The game is better than it has been played out in the media. Heck, the ME3 endings are not as bad as the whole furor made them out to be. The heavy handed criticism of the fans has done nothing to improve Bioware's performance and they are not doing the industry any favors either. Most of them note a slide in the quality of games being released in general... I say, they should look again at how they go about criticizing these games and improve their behavior... maybe then we'll see the developers responding positively and becoming more encouraged to produce better quality games... instead of feeling like nomatter what they try, the fans are just going to rip them apart for it anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 19:17:19 GMT
You realize this is a fan site where most people love the game... using this as an example is kinda pathetic and in no way represents anything other than a rose-tinted glasses view. Game is also averaging a 70% for PS4 - the version with by far the most reviews. It is representative of the group of the players I belong to. If something I love has broader appeal, well and good, but if not... well, there is two thing that could happen. The next game is made to appeal to the majority, whose taste does not align with mine, or the next game is not made. I don't fancy either outcome. I understand that I am not like most players on the PS4, so I will stop gaming after the games I love disappear from the market.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 2, 2017 19:19:32 GMT
People made fun of all the animation issues in the pre-release videos and speculated that the game had animation issues. Seems pretty deserved to me, why have faith in a product when the marketing is setting off alarm bells? They made fun of the animation issues based on just a short preview of the game by a few people... but that's not the pre-release complaining I'm talking about... I'm talking about months before anyone saw anything of the game at all... they ripped the premise apart based on their own speculations about how Bioware would be unable to retcon the move to Andromeda into the old lore, they speculated that it would not feel like a Mass Effect game, and on and on and on. Whenever it was pointed out to them that they were ripping a game apart that didn't even exist yet... they said they would rather be negative ahead of time merely to avoid getting hyped and being disappointed by it... but in doing it to the extremes that they did... they set the game itself up for failure. People were fully expecting to reject it entirely long before release. They were never open-minded about it. When there a preconceived negative idea planted so strongly in the media that far in advance... there's really not even a snowball's chance in hell of it being well received and any of its flaws being considered minor enough to warrant being overlooked. Now, they want to deny that all that happened. They want people to believe that it all just started with the animations. Sorry, it started long before that. The "fans" ripping this game apart starting doing it long before they had any real excuse to. The game is better than it has been played out in the media. Heck, the ME3 endings are not as bad as the whole furor made them out to be. The heavy handed criticism of the fans has done nothing to improve Bioware's performance and they are not doing the industry any favors either. Most of them note a slide in the quality of games being released in general... I say, they should look again at how they go about criticizing these games and improve their behavior... maybe then we'll see the developers responding positively and becoming more encouraged to produce better quality games... instead of feeling like nomatter what they try, the fans are just going to rip them apart for it anyways. Nope, I was one to question the ability of the team to make the Andromeda premise work in the lore quite a while before release. I don't deny that. Especially because it turned out I was right in pretty much all the points I made at the time. They did fail to make this sensible and that was not a surprise at all. I don't see a problem with us speculating that it wouldn't work. After all, it didn't.
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You realize this is a fan site where most people love the game... using this as an example is kinda pathetic and in no way represents anything other than a rose-tinted glasses view. Game is also averaging a 70% for PS4 - the version with by far the most reviews. It is representative of the group of the players I belong to. If something I love has broader appeal, well and good, but if not... well, there is two thing that could happen. The next game is made to appeal to the majority, whose taste does not align with mine, or the next game is not made. I don't fancy either outcome. I understand that I am not like most players on the PS4, so I will stop gaming after the games I love disappear from the market. ...have you tried Breath of the wild?
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Post by Ancient on Jun 3, 2017 9:08:40 GMT
This is some poor attempt to discredit me? Don't make me laugh. About these Skyrim problems we have talked on Bethesda forum. Btw, pick some better argument if wooden Dragonsreach is not good for you. I have presented plenty. The fact that you didn't recognize these problems with the game tells me something about you. You, them, doesn't matter, it's not personal; anyone who comes off as copying arguments from some other forum without either actually playing the game or just simply double-checking the publicly available facts. I haven't played Skyrim DB questline since 2012, so I don't 100% recognize what you nitpick at. Is it so that you assaulted the guy instead of poisoning him and then paid a bounty for it? So you don't remember what this quest is about, and probably you don't remember other stuff too? But you want to talk about it and you question my arguments? Does this make sense to you? If this interest you play the game again, or at least find video with this quest. I'm not here to write long texts about Skyrim just for you. Also that's not nitpicking, it's illogical, stupid, moronic, it breaks immersion. And the game is full of this nonsense.
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Post by simtam on Jun 3, 2017 21:35:01 GMT
It makes sense to me that only things we don't know fully are worth talking about.
My opinion is that the most damaging issues with Skyrim are intra-plotline rather than inter-plotlines (since Patch 1.4, to be specific). So don't expect me to take up a side "defending Skyrim", especially in a thread about two other games.
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Post by projectpatdc on Jun 3, 2017 21:43:55 GMT
Fact.
Witcher 3 is a good game
Skyrim is a good game
Mass Effect Andromeda is a good game
Raven's Cry is bad game
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 21:47:41 GMT
It is representative of the group of the players I belong to. If something I love has broader appeal, well and good, but if not... well, there is two thing that could happen. The next game is made to appeal to the majority, whose taste does not align with mine, or the next game is not made. I don't fancy either outcome. I understand that I am not like most players on the PS4, so I will stop gaming after the games I love disappear from the market. ...have you tried Breath of the wild? I do not own console and I specifically only want to play the game that have the same structure as bioware's.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jun 3, 2017 23:07:50 GMT
...have you tried Breath of the wild? I do not own console and I specifically only want to play the game that have the same structure as bioware's. BotW is nothing like a Bioware game. It's sole selling point is you can chop trees and use some other minor enviromental novelties to detract from a world padded with more filler than all Bioware games combined and absolutely no redeeming values in story or characters. Not saying you can't like it, but don't let anyone fool you it even approaches what Bioware is loved for.
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