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Post by kumazan on May 11, 2017 7:30:43 GMT
I try not to worry about things I can't control, but I'll admit I'm a bit concerned. I hope Ryder isn't gone after this, nor the storylines Andromeda has opened.
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Post by suikoden on May 11, 2017 7:34:49 GMT
So amongst all the chit-chat I need something cleared up; as EA actually said the franchise is on hiatus, or is that classic Kotaku-style clickbait? It wouldn't surprise me if it was indeed put on ice seeing as Andromeda did get a rather tepid reception, but I want facts, not assumption from one of the worst websites on the planet for that sort of thing. There isn't one, everyone is just jumping to conclusions because it suits their tired narrative. Oh I'm sure everything will be fine. Andromeda 2 is clearly in pre-production. How could EA not cash in on the great success of Andromeda!! R..Ri...Right?
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Post by malgus on May 11, 2017 7:38:43 GMT
I love ryder, but at the same time I am fine for a new protagonist in MEA 2 if there is a sequel. That said I would at least like it if there was dlc on MEA that would explore the ryder character, especially his mother in cryo stasis and her relation with the twins that was absent for most of MEA.
All that said, I would say that if MEA 2 ever happens and it is is the same timeline, I think ryder will be the hawke of DAI, he will be there, just not as a main character. I love to play as him , but he did not seem to have a good reception, so the chance he will be the next protagonist are smaller.
I always wanted to have a protagonist of different race in the ME universe and maybe that is what we will get if there is a MEA 2.
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Post by Hrulj on May 11, 2017 7:39:34 GMT
This is really good news. Finaly player voices are being heard. And it's better for Mass effect to die than be ruined. Someone will pick up a torch sometime. Make some more SJW games Bioware. Thats what leads to success. Oh and rehire Manweer Heir. That was a great choice.
Hopefully their new IP fails and we can have this rotting corpse done and burried.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2017 7:40:05 GMT
Good to hear. They really need to rethink this series, if after 5 years, Andromeda was the best they could give us. I love Mass Effect, but Bioware are scrubs now, and if the franchise is ever revived, hopefully it'll be by a developer that's actually talented, and has a passion for game development. On a side note, if Bioware's new IP isn't a hit, the company is probably fucked. They have potential and it's unfortunate that they didn't live up to it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 11, 2017 7:41:39 GMT
And don't wimp out and leave. You're a fan and you bring solid stuff to the table.
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Post by linksocarina on May 11, 2017 7:42:54 GMT
I did this argument in the Noah Gervais thread, short version, the over correction, the attempts to placate fan feedback and to rectify their mistakes often boils down to us either going nuclear in one respect (ME3 to andromeda) or not giving the right feedback at times. Andromeda did a lot of things that played the game safe, and playing it safe was the games biggest flaw id argue, outside of animations. And that was influenced by us. Again, that would mean that they need someone smarter in charge, someone that knows how to take criticism without over-reacting. Blaming the amorphous blob of humanity on the internet for your failures is pointless.
Honestly, I think that they simply lost their vision. It's just that you gotta push another sequel to the franchise, like with Assassin's Creed or Far Cry, no matter what.
I agree in part. But in trying to make what the fanbase wants, we get something very risk adverse. I don't blame BioWare for trying to give what their fans want. I do blame them for implementation . But implementation is only part of the problem,the other is the fact that we, as the fanbase, are more often than not a catalyst in the reason for the derivitatve nature of the title because of the placating to our feedback. It's not even about whose in charge, they can take feedback. That feedback lead to Andromeda, after all.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 11, 2017 7:43:12 GMT
Well, I just hope they will release at least that Quarian DLC and make some kind of closure for Ryders storyline - they have to remember they still have loyal fans here and there, and those people deserve it.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2017 7:43:27 GMT
EA's response is "public relations" and "damage control". The franchise is going to be milked for what it is worth and then discarded. If everyone was praising this game so highly do you really think they would have dared to scale back anything or give any indication that development for sequels or DLC or whatever would slow down? EA is about the money. This is bad for money. Its bad publicity. That isn't good for the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the final ME game we get. The vid pretty much sums it up.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 7:45:46 GMT
Well, I just hope they will release at least that Quarian DLC and make some kind of closure for Ryders storyline - they have to remember they still have loyal fans here and there, and those people deserve it. Maybe people should have thought of that before starting to spread silly memes cherry picking and poking fun at animations, which in the context of the scene in which they were used, actually made a lot of sense. Or taking video game 'reviewers' seriously who post things that are clearly clickbait and fake news nonsense.
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Post by wright1978 on May 11, 2017 7:46:37 GMT
Bad news if true. Was really looking forward to a sequel developing the potential this first installment shows. Be interesting to see the length of the DLC cycle is. Everything i hear about their new project doesn't appeal at all to me. Hopefully CD red's Cyperpunk can fill that futuristic story driven RPG experience if Bioware are abandoning it.
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Post by wright1978 on May 11, 2017 7:48:07 GMT
Disappointed. Ryder wasn't perfect but he/she certainly had some potential. Really shame if they are quitting the field over the mixed reception of Andromeda.
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Post by phantomrachie on May 11, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
I suspect this has more to do with EA taking big projects away from BioWare Montreal (who are clearly not ready for them) and not having another studio to start the work on the next Mass Effect than anything else. BioWare Montreal will probably still work on smaller scale DLC.
I enjoyed MEA, so maybe this is me being over hopefully but I suspect that as soon as the new IP is out, BioWare Edmonton will be but back to work on Mass Effect.
I just hope that they don't over-correct with the criticisms of MEA and the potential of the AI and Andromeda. A more linear story set in Andromeda, 5 or 10 years after MEA would be really interesting
DA:I suffered from BioWare over-correcting after the criticisms of DA2 and while I enjoyed it it's my least favourite BioWare game.
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Post by Hrulj on May 11, 2017 7:49:29 GMT
Again, that would mean that they need someone smarter in charge, someone that knows how to take criticism without over-reacting. Blaming the amorphous blob of humanity on the internet for your failures is pointless.
Honestly, I think that they simply lost their vision. It's just that you gotta push another sequel to the franchise, like with Assassin's Creed or Far Cry, no matter what.
I agree in part. But in trying to make what the fanbase wants, we get something very risk adverse. I don't blame BioWare for trying to give what their fans want. I do blame them for implementation . But implementation is only part of the problem,the other is the fact that we, as the fanbase, are more often than not a catalyst in the reason for the derivitatve nature of the title because of the placating to our feedback. It's not even about whose in charge, they can take feedback. That feedback lead to Andromeda, after all. What fan wanted ME game to be outside of Milky way? If anything fans wanted Shepard back or at least the game to stay in Milky way. How is it our fault that they created idiotic endings that they had no idea how to use to create a new game, or that they lacked courage to chose a canon ending and run with it?
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 7:50:21 GMT
Disappointed. Ryder wasn't perfect but he/she certainly had some potential. Really shame if they are quitting the field over the mixed reception of Andromeda. I wouldn't take the clucking hens on the forum seriously. There is no confirmation that ME, as a franchise, or ME is dead. Actually I am borderline quite looking forward to the anouncement of the next patch or the next DLC and have all these people going 'but wha...bu-bu-bu-bu...Kotaku said the ME franchise was put on ice.'
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Post by malgus on May 11, 2017 7:52:30 GMT
I am a huge fan, and I sure did not wanted an other game in the milky way and certainly not a canon ending, I would have hated that if they forced one of the endings and I think it would have been a shitty thing to do.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 7:52:53 GMT
I agree in part. But in trying to make what the fanbase wants, we get something very risk adverse. I don't blame BioWare for trying to give what their fans want. I do blame them for implementation . But implementation is only part of the problem,the other is the fact that we, as the fanbase, are more often than not a catalyst in the reason for the derivitatve nature of the title because of the placating to our feedback. It's not even about whose in charge, they can take feedback. That feedback lead to Andromeda, after all. What fan wanted ME game to be outside of Milky way? If anything fans wanted Shepard back or at least the game to stay in Milky way. How is it our fault that they created idiotic endings that they had no idea how to use to create a new game, or that they lacked courage to chose a canon ending and run with it? I didn't necessarily want it outside of the Milky Way but when they announced it was going outside the Milky Way I was excited as hell. Great decision to move the franchise to another galaxy. And I wanted the franchise to move on from Shepard. Shepard was cool, Shepard was awesome, Shepard was 'bad ass', but Shepard was also an incredibly weak character and even a weak role playing character when compared to....well most other Role Playing protags.
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Post by xetykins on May 11, 2017 7:53:29 GMT
Fear? No. Ryder for me fell a little flat and lacked "unf" So I wont mind a new protagonist next game hopefully one that would and could "unf"her way throughout the galaxy. OR they can dig my femshep's twitching "unfing" body off that rubble from the galaxy she has epicly "unfed", fix her and bring her back.
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Post by helios969 on May 11, 2017 7:54:54 GMT
It depends if that means they leave Andromeda as a story unfinished. I absolutely hate leaving stories unresolved...and there's a lot to address. I also think it would be dumb to abandon a world that is fundamentally solid and with the right improvements can be make excellent in favor of another 3-4 year development cycle for freshly built world. Financially the smart decision is to stick with it. Personally, I wouldn't mind if my Ryder's carried over since I like the connection established over multiple games. I really want total galactic war with the Kett empire...and to me that would require Ryder using the Remnant connection as an equalizer and pathfinding new species to ally with.
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Post by wright1978 on May 11, 2017 7:55:55 GMT
I agree in part. But in trying to make what the fanbase wants, we get something very risk adverse. I don't blame BioWare for trying to give what their fans want. I do blame them for implementation . But implementation is only part of the problem,the other is the fact that we, as the fanbase, are more often than not a catalyst in the reason for the derivitatve nature of the title because of the placating to our feedback. It's not even about whose in charge, they can take feedback. That feedback lead to Andromeda, after all. What fan wanted ME game to be outside of Milky way? If anything fans wanted Shepard back or at least the game to stay in Milky way. How is it our fault that they created idiotic endings that they had no idea how to use to create a new game, or that they lacked courage to chose a canon ending and run with it? Plenty of people didn't want them overwriting their own canons & accepted leaving milky way.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 11, 2017 7:56:17 GMT
I've heard about it from one of my co workers that IGN is running with the story and I have seen it on youtube channels, IE 'The Know'. I don't know if those things are just reporting using the Kotaku article as the primary source. I would rather wait on Forbes because they actually do SOME journalism instead of just going off on speculation. Besides, Glassdoor has been quiet on Bioware. That would be the first place I would look to see if layoffs occurred. Also, I have some serious problems with IGN after the whole Allers thing and giving Inquisition GOTY only 12 weeks after release and the PC version was still incomplete.
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Post by zeypher on May 11, 2017 7:57:43 GMT
Just examples of frachises EA put on hiatus:
Originally Posted by Dsyndrome
Like Dante's Inferno and Dead Space hiatus? Son of a bitch... "I wouldn't say it's [Dead Space franchise] cancelled at all," Söderlund said. "Dead Space remains a brand that is close to Electronic Arts' heart. It's been a great brand for us done by a very passionate team. "Is that team working on a Dead Space game today? No they're not."
"Right now, a great portion of the core of the Fight Night team are actually the team that are building UFC," EA Sports executive vice president Andrew Wilson told IGN. "Do I see a future for Fight Night? You know, sure. But right now, UFC is where our fighting focus is."
"We’ve decided to take the time to build the game we really want to build in the next fiscal year. Looking at where the racing market now is, and looking at the Need for Speed brand, we see a pretty clear strategy of what we need to achieve. And to achieve that, we need time.”
EA COO Peter Moore said that "the game was solid but the focus on combat authenticity did not resonate with consumers. Critics were polarized and gave the game scores which were, frankly, lower than it deserved. " "This one is behind us now. We are taking Medal of Honor out of the rotation, and have a plan to bring year-over-year continuity to our shooter offerings," he said. With Danger Close's FPS tabled, it appears EA is placing even more weight behind the Battlefield franchise.
"Actually, just to clarify, we're just putting Guitar Hero on hiatus, we're not ending it," Winters explained. "We're releasing products out of the vault - we'll continue to sustain the channel, the brand won't go away. We're just not making a new one for next year, that's all."
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 7:57:51 GMT
You don't need an article to tell you that resources have been taken away from Bioware. EDIT: At least when it comes to Mass Effect that is.
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