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Post by Papa Franku on May 11, 2017 6:06:41 GMT
It's clear that Bioware decided they could walk over any sort of logic in the trilogy to make Andromeda happen. They wanted a new start so badly that they didn't even try to explain things. Not only the Arks were impossible and illogical for many reasons, but people that we know in the trilogy knew about them but it was never mentioned, even if there were many, many opportunities to do so. And for what? To create a mediocre, ok-ish game that became a internet joke even before release. To get the franchise to put on hold by EA. It's sad and funny that I was seeing the very first official trailer again, from E3'15, and remembering how I felt that day. The hope, the excitiment of a new Mass Effect game. And that hope was slowly destroyed long before the game came out. But still, even after 100 hours in the main campaign I still wanted to believe that if I just gave the game more time, if I just tried harder it would be all worth it. Well, it wasn't. For me, for many, and for EA. A shame to see my favorite, no, by beloved franchise die, ot at least go into a coma, like this. Here have a snickers...
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Post by jastall on May 11, 2017 6:16:26 GMT
I also highly doubt we don't see another Dragon Age. Inquisition was a success, and the Edmonton studio is still big and fat with people. Not everyone's working on that new IP.
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Post by blueasari on May 11, 2017 6:28:38 GMT
The current material with the Jaardan, Scourage, biogenetic engineering and possible civil war all happening right before we arrive to Andromeda with the Jaardan ceasing to exist and the origins of the a much larger Kett threat.....is just as intriguing if not more than reaper cuddledish harvesting the galaxy. They can easily make the second game incredible if done right. They showed that with Meridian, the vaults, the actual planet exploration and the combat. They just need to perfect the use of the frostbite engine, tweak the character writing and presentation, and add my diverse gameplay to the open world. And open world isn't the issue. Go back and watch the previews for Assassins Creed black flag. That game was incredible because the devs made sure that there was always something new and interesting to do our discover when getting from point A to B. And they did it with Dover gameplay so it didn't get stale. Adding good vehicle combat, rescue missions, larger battles in the distance that can engage in, ability to steal other vehicles and mechs, legendary rewards like unique armor, weapons and tools for doing side quests, etc would all help perfect the formula. Couple that with a great campaign and story focuses optional missions all being linear and it's a solid game again I think the problems with ME:A go way beyond poor storytelling and lack of polish, general stagnation. It's leadership. The BioWare formula needs a radical re-invention. They are so wide of the mark in so many areas it's time to go back to the drawing board with all of their gameplay systems from the dialogue system, crafting, interface design etc. They need to catch up to the competition and fast and re-define their role in the industry and their own interpretation of the very concept of the modern action RPG in 2017 and the role of the player. The story just doesn't work on a fundamental level for many reasons. The game is devoid of memorable moments, dialogue and choices. The story beats are basically the same with a generic reaper stand in villain of the week but the execution is woefully inadequate and the tone is all wrong. The writing is vacuous and devoid of theme and personality: the story doesn't convey any kind of greater meaning. There's no sense of stakes or interpersonal character drama/conflict. The protagonist is unlikeable, un-relatable, has no arch and their motivations are ill-defined. The writing is not just below BioWare standard. It's below industry standard as is much of the rest of the game. I could go on but i'm boring myself. Could the Ryder/Kett/MEA setting be salvaged? Yes but it's going to be bloody hard work given what they are inheriting it would require a whole lot of involvement from Edmonton who's neglect has partially contributed to this situation while they focus their efforts on their new baby. Good post.
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Post by zeypher on May 11, 2017 6:30:08 GMT
Not surprising at all, i believe i always said this game resembles DXMD too closely and guess what both the series are benched now.
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Post by Eterna on May 11, 2017 6:35:13 GMT
So amongst all the chit-chat I need something cleared up; as EA actually said the franchise is on hiatus, or is that classic Kotaku-style clickbait? It wouldn't surprise me if it was indeed put on ice seeing as Andromeda did get a rather tepid reception, but I want facts, not assumption from one of the worst websites on the planet for that sort of thing. There isn't one, everyone is just jumping to conclusions because it suits their tired narrative.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2017 6:37:22 GMT
So amongst all the chit-chat I need something cleared up; as EA actually said the franchise is on hiatus, or is that classic Kotaku-style clickbait? It wouldn't surprise me if it was indeed put on ice seeing as Andromeda did get a rather tepid reception, but I want facts, not assumption from one of the worst websites on the planet for that sort of thing. There isn't one, everyone is just jumping to conclusions because it suits their tired narrative. I wouldn't say everything's necessarily hunky-dory either, but this being Kotaku, or just about any damn site that exists in the Dentonverse, I have to take some things with substantial grains of salt, so I'm reserving judgment on this one.
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Post by ATR16 on May 11, 2017 6:38:17 GMT
I couldn't finish MEA so I'd be even more turned off if I had to play as Captain Boring again.
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Post by linksocarina on May 11, 2017 6:40:30 GMT
I'm not cheering this news on as some seem to be doing because I genuinely will miss Bioware if they fail but the fact that some people are actually blaming the fans for finding a product flawed and not the company for delivering a flawed product is amazingly cringe. Congratulations, you have well and truly placed the cart in front of the horse. Hell, I blame us all. In the end, we're all kind of in the same boat, considering a lot of flaws come from BioWare trying to appease us when we lose our shit all the time . Mistakes are always made on both sides.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 11, 2017 6:42:54 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again.
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Post by blueasari on May 11, 2017 6:44:43 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again. There was still many things wrong with ME-A besides animations though that even being delayed may not have fixed.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 11, 2017 6:51:17 GMT
So amongst all the chit-chat I need something cleared up; as EA actually said the franchise is on hiatus, or is that classic Kotaku-style clickbait? It wouldn't surprise me if it was indeed put on ice seeing as Andromeda did get a rather tepid reception, but I want facts, not assumption from one of the worst websites on the planet for that sort of thing. Kotaku got it wrong. They got the intent wrong. They got the facts wrong. This was a planned move and EA said as much on the 9th. Kotaku isn't journalism. They sell speculation.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 6:57:26 GMT
I couldn't finish MEA so I'd be even more turned off if I had to play as Captain Boring again. Something tells me that I'd be the same way if I had bought the game.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 11, 2017 6:58:26 GMT
How does one conclude from this article that there won't be DLC or patches anymore? Why is anyone paying attention to Kotaku?!? They're worthless. They regurgitate other site's stuff and then add their own opinion and speculation and pass it off as journalism. F*** Kotaku
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Post by Basquemercat117 on May 11, 2017 7:16:12 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again. does it really need a break? i mean it took 5 years to make the game. thats more development time than any of the other games got. and in this industry Andromeda didn't show up on the scene for a long time. honestly time isnt the issue: its that they didnt keep up with the times on how much triple a games cost. ME3 was also made for 40 million, but since then games such as horizon, BOTW, TW3 all had much higher budgets to keep competitive. but bioware didnt follow that, and they paid the price. if they want to make a successful mass effect now, they are going to have to pay for it which sadly hurts its odds of coming out.
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Post by linksocarina on May 11, 2017 7:17:11 GMT
Hell, I blame us all. In the end, we're all kind of in the same boat, considering a lot of flaws come from BioWare trying to appease us when we lose our shit all the time . Mistakes are always made on both sides. If this is the root of their problems, then they obviously need someone more professional in charge.
That aside, I don't think any of ME:A's flaws had much to do with criticism from fans.
I did this argument in the Noah Gervais thread, short version, the over correction, the attempts to placate fan feedback and to rectify their mistakes often boils down to us either going nuclear in one respect (ME3 to andromeda) or not giving the right feedback at times. Andromeda did a lot of things that played the game safe, and playing it safe was the games biggest flaw id argue, outside of animations. And that was influenced by us.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 7:17:23 GMT
How does one conclude from this article that there won't be DLC or patches anymore? Why is anyone paying attention to Kotaku?!? They're worthless. They regurgitate other site's stuff and then add their own opinion and speculation and pass it off as journalism. F*** Kotaku I used to like Kotaku. And then I started to hear bad things about them read questionable articles, so then I started ignoring them. Then...well this crosses my deck and pretty much confirms my lingering sense of 'Kotaku sucks'. They are the CNN of the video game world.
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Post by sageoflife on May 11, 2017 7:17:47 GMT
Is anyone other than Kotaku claiming that Mass Effect is on hiatus?
Because that clickbait center is hardly the most reliable source. Until I see a source that is neither Kotaku or someone citing them, I see no reason to think that this isn't just a matter of Bioware cycling through its IPs and people blowing things out of proportion as has happened with so many other parts of this game.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 7:19:46 GMT
I've heard about it from one of my co workers that IGN is running with the story and I have seen it on youtube channels, IE 'The Know'. I don't know if those things are just reporting using the Kotaku article as the primary source.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on May 11, 2017 7:20:51 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again. I think you're right re: Andromeda and the Ryders: I foresee in 2022 a reboot of the franchise with Mass Effect: A New Beginning. Canon ending chosen, bad-assery returns and we're back in the Milky Way: I would be fine with that: Andromeda was good, but not Mass Effect good.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2017 7:22:05 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again. I think you're right re: Andromeda and the Ryders: I foresee in 2022 a reboot of the franchise with Mass Effect: A New Beginning. Canon ending chosen, bad-assery returns and we're back in the Milky Way: I would be fine with that: Andromeda was good, but not Mass Effect good. I'd go for a soft reboot. Just redo ME 3 and I think the trilogy can go back to being a truly legendary game series.
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Post by suikoden on May 11, 2017 7:22:20 GMT
So amongst all the chit-chat I need something cleared up; as EA actually said the franchise is on hiatus, or is that classic Kotaku-style clickbait? It wouldn't surprise me if it was indeed put on ice seeing as Andromeda did get a rather tepid reception, but I want facts, not assumption from one of the worst websites on the planet for that sort of thing. "With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We’re also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development. There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead." Didn't specifically say hiatus... but you don't have to be a pathfinder to read that quote an realize Mass Effect is now the last thing on their plate.
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Post by blueasari on May 11, 2017 7:23:02 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again. I think you're right re: Andromeda and the Ryders: I foresee in 2022 a reboot of the franchise with Mass Effect: A New Beginning. Canon ending chosen, bad-assery returns and we're back in the Milky Way: I would be fine with that: Andromeda was good, but not Mass Effect good. Yes please.
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Post by Basquemercat117 on May 11, 2017 7:27:04 GMT
That's sad, but maybe this is exactly with ME series needs at the moment - a break. Almost everyone in here, doesn't matter you love or hate MEA, agreed that this game was rushed. It never should happen, MEA shouldn't been released at this stage. Yesterday someone said that this 3-rd party studio responsible for animations ask to delay MEA, but it was rejected. It's 100% EA fault. Now they are blaming BioWare. Let's hope this is not the last game in ME universe, but I don't think we will ever see Andromeda & Ryders again. I think you're right re: Andromeda and the Ryders: I foresee in 2022 a reboot of the franchise with Mass Effect: A New Beginning. Canon ending chosen, bad-assery returns and we're back in the Milky Way: I would be fine with that: Andromeda was good, but not Mass Effect good. i can see the next game coming out in 2022, but i dont think they will reboot it. its not in biowares nature and that would be such a huge gamble that bioware and EA would never risk that. if they couldnt continue forward with the series, i think they would just rather cancel the series.
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Post by Ahriman on May 11, 2017 7:29:57 GMT
Haven't read whole thread. Are true fans already blaming not true fans for low game sales?
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