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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:16:28 GMT
Well, I would add something I was thinking about yesterday after getting over the "No ME:A2 in works" thing.
No matter what, BioWARE entertained me for 20 years, and even if Andromeda was their very last game it would have ended it on the same note as it started. Andromeda reminds me a lot of Baldur's Gate 1, the same happy, unapologetically fun if quirky experience.
But it's not the last game, and if someone can drag me kicking and screaming into the on-line gaming, grinding and (horror!) use of social media in gaming, that's BioWARE. They did it a couple of times already, making me play a MMO and a co-op, and they made me awkwardly use Tweet (ouch).
So help me, I will try "Project D" if I cannot get an SP title out of them, as long as it is true to Bio's credo of offering the player choices of what and how to play, and working on the game with the atypical demographics in mind (like me).
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Post by trevelyanshep on May 11, 2017 13:20:40 GMT
It must be si hard to be a white male. Peebee is hot, and anyone who says otherwise is blind.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2017 13:36:55 GMT
I think he does have some. ME2 is the best written ME game and he was one of the lead writers. My guess is that he needs someone to guide him, that he often can't tell by himself just how bad some dialogue is. And I'm not talking about a line here or there, but entire dialogues that just feel written by uneducated kids. I really like ME2 but it wasn't that well written imo. Half the game is recruiting and the other half is helping them with their daddy issues. I really like the companions but it's main story was meh I'd say that ME1 and ME3 are better written throughout, though the ending of ME3 takes that game down a number of pegs. What ME2 has though is flashes of exceptionally brilliant stuff, but it's very much focused in some of its smaller parts rather than the whole. Like, some of the Loyalty missions are quite excellent, perhaps some of the best stories of the trilogy, because it showcases what BioWare is usually best at. It's the central plot that's ridiculous nonsense.
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Post by correctamundo on May 11, 2017 13:37:39 GMT
It must be si hard to be a white male. Peebee is hot, and anyone who says otherwise is blind. It is not that hard. I'm a white male and I agree with you :amirite: .
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Post by correctamundo on May 11, 2017 13:40:41 GMT
I really like ME2 but it wasn't that well written imo. Half the game is recruiting and the other half is helping them with their daddy issues. I really like the companions but it's main story was meh I'd say that ME1 and ME3 are better written throughout, though the ending of ME3 takes that game down a number of pegs. What ME2 has though is flashes of exceptionally brilliant stuff, but it's very much focused in some of its smaller parts rather than the whole. Like, some of the Loyalty missions are quite excellent, perhaps some of the best stories of the trilogy, because it showcases what BioWare is usually best at. It's the central plot that's ridiculous nonsense. Well, I can see that without EC and Leviathan ME3 is on real shaky ground and then the whole Kai Lame. Still I love ME3.
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Post by themikefest on May 11, 2017 13:43:38 GMT
The characters do really suck in this game, except for Reyes but everyone else can f themselves He wasn't bad, but when Ryder encounters Zia, I wanted to side with her which leads to Ryder killing Reyes which leads to putting Zia in charge of Kadara Port. Or make her a squadmate sending Liam to Eos with a pale and shovel to play in the sand The best character in the game is Fiend. Its awesome the way he/she beats up the car. The way it grabs Ryder, takes a bite and then smashes her/him to the ground like a piece of crap. Hopefully there will be a dlc about the Fiend maybe they should now concentrate on giving us 'an' ending for the original trilogy? I'd be ok with that. Destroy is the ending. Shepard returns for another game.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2017 13:47:54 GMT
I'd say that ME1 and ME3 are better written throughout, though the ending of ME3 takes that game down a number of pegs. What ME2 has though is flashes of exceptionally brilliant stuff, but it's very much focused in some of its smaller parts rather than the whole. Like, some of the Loyalty missions are quite excellent, perhaps some of the best stories of the trilogy, because it showcases what BioWare is usually best at. It's the central plot that's ridiculous nonsense. Well, I can see that without EC and Leviathan ME3 is on real shaky ground and then the whole Kai Lame. Still I love ME3. ME3 is my favorite of the trilogy as well, even if the ending is probably the least satisfying of the 3 since I have to put in extra effort to reconcile my issues with it, and its prologue, or at least the Earth sequence, is probably the poorest start aside from the introduction of Project Lazarus (I'll never stop shitting on that).
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Post by auu on May 11, 2017 13:48:21 GMT
Ok....this article is crap. First of all they call MEA a 'reboot' it is not a reboot in any way shape or form. At best its a 'soft reboot', but even then it throws out none of previously established canon so it does not count really as that. Second of all, it says quite dramatically 'sources say ME has been put on ice', and Montreal has been downsized, but then the only sources it quotes say that they are happy with Andromeda and just moving around people to deal with other EA projects...which makes sense. Honestly, what the actual hell Kotaku? Obviously EA won't tell that they are disappointed with the game. However why you would move around people to other studios if you were expected to produce a couple of SP DLCs as per BW tradition before moving on. Plus the game is already on 30% sale?? It's clear as sun that EA is disappointed. Gamers do that for EVERY game. Even games that critics adore and praise to high heaven. Gamers are immature, fickle, and stupid. That said. The majority of criticism levied at MEA is understandable. EA deciding to put the franchise on hold, and gut Montreal might be a bad thing, but it also might be a good thing. If anything EA won't throw more money at a sequel, expecting the same team to build a better product, when the foundation is already cracking and falling apart. As much as I love Mass Effect, I'm happy that there is the possibility that EA is assessing what went wrong with MEA before churning out a mediocre sequel.
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Post by maximusarael020 on May 11, 2017 13:48:55 GMT
The level of venom spewed out from players of the game has been high, and for what, a few animation issues. I'm still playing the game and I think I've seen maybe 2-3 times where the audio/video do not synch, or the AI speak but don't move their mouth. Wow, its like .02 percent of the game!!! The product IS NOT shoddy by any stretch. I seriously don't know what you all are unhappy about. I've been on this forum since the game came out and I've read about the animation issues. If that's the only issue you all have, then you must not be happy playing ANY game. Good luck with that. The issue is people try to much on dictating what is good or bad for others when that's not how it works. If I say the story choices are underwhelming, they're underwhelming. You could argue with me all day and I wouldn't budge. I could then argue with someone else who thinks the story is a master piece, if they're set on it, odds are they too won't budge.The games issues go far beyond animations. Combat has been downgraded, story choices as I said are underwhelming ,I myself dislike the story and have said numerous times they should've clean house with the writing team,it's the buggiest bioware game I've played yet, the cc is a preset instead of an actual cc, I could go on. if this fiasco is actually for real: you have to piss off a lot of people to get a game shelved, some meme group making fun of the game or a group of people throwing tantrums with no explanations isn't going to shelve a franchise, not unless the devs had no backbone anyways. I've said it countless times, people can pretend people are being to critical of the game, but if there's so many doing it, and the game fails critically, it really doesn't give the game any momentum lol, especially when there's speculation that the game is selling below expectations since EA didn't bring andromeda up in sales earnings but countless other games did. Memes got a president elected. I don't see any reason why they also couldn't shelve a franchise. However, I don't really buy into what Kotaku is selling. Pretty common to move people around after a big game release, leaving a smaller team for patches, balance, and DLC. As for starting MEA:2, I think they will use the Montreal studio to first get their new IP "Dylan" back on track (with the delay it seems like they need some help) and have a small team start working on story, laying the groundwork, and then when they have stuff figured out for the direction of MEA:2 bring in more people and maybe people from the other Bioware studios to ramp up development after Dylan is closer to the "polish" stage. I wouldn't have expected a new MEA game until 2020 anyway, so it might be 2021 at this point. They won't waste all the work they put into the models and everything for Frostbite, so the next MEA game will cost less than this one I'm guessing, and so EA would be stupid not to make another game. By all accounts I've seen of sales numbers, MEA hit the 3-million copies sold mark that EA wanted, so they should be pretty happy. Plus if they can keep multiplayer going and grow that fanbase some, they'll get consistent money out of people buying packs and whatnot, as well as from any DLC that comes out. I don't think there's any logical reason to believe that Mass Effect is a dead franchise. I think the 4 sources "close to the company" were probably misinterpreted or just had their comments turned into click-bait, which works so well these days. We already pretty much know at least one DLC is coming, as Cora's VA had something on twitter recently about being back in the studio to work on MEA, so I wouldn't worry about the franchise just yet.
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Post by FireAndBlood on May 11, 2017 13:50:09 GMT
Zipzap you used to be a happy drunk. *Lifts Ryncol* That's it, I'm staging an intervention.
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Post by FeralEwok on May 11, 2017 13:50:13 GMT
"Hey, I've been gone for a few days...I ought to check the BSN and see what's going on..." "On second thought maybe I should come back in a few days."
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That's it, I'm staging an intervention. Die!!
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2017 13:51:58 GMT
maybe they should now concentrate on giving us 'an' ending for the original trilogy? I'd be ok with that. Destroy is the ending. Shepard returns for another game. I really like Shepard, but there's only so much that can be dragged out of a character before it starts reaching critical, and Shepard was pretty much at that point in the end. It's the same reason why I would not have wanted to play the Warden well beyond Origins/Awakening, and as much as I love Hawke and wouldn't have minded if she was the PC of Inquisition, would not have wanted her to keep going through each game.
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Post by Sah291 on May 11, 2017 13:58:04 GMT
Well, I would add something I was thinking about yesterday after getting over the "No ME:A2 in works" thing. No matter what, BioWARE entertained me for 20 years, and even if Andromeda was their very last game it would have ended it on the same note as it started. Andromeda reminds me a lot of Baldur's Gate 1, the same happy, unapologetically fun if quirky experience. But it's not the last game, and if someone can drag me kicking and screaming into the on-line gaming, grinding and (horror!) use of social media in gaming, that's BioWARE. They did it a couple of times already, making me play a MMO and a co-op, and they made me awkwardly use Tweet (ouch). So help me, I will try "Project D" if I cannot get an SP title out of them, as long as it is true to Bio's credo of offering the player choices of what and how to play, and working on the game with the atypical demographics in mind (like me). I unfortunately probably won't be...and I'm kind of sad about that, as I used to want to check out any Bioware game, no matter what style it was. But it's not the online or social elements that don't appeal to me, so much as the lack of deep narrative and story that a lot of those genres tend to have for whatever reason. I'm not a fan of many First Person Shooters or open world RPGs for this reason. But I do like action/adventure titles, they don't have to be traditional old school RPG, if they have a good story. The issue with MMO, is that like with social media, they rely a lot on the users/social experience, and so less on narrative and cinematics. MMOs are also less friendly to older gamers and people with limited time to play than single player games. SP games are more like novels or films, they have a beginning, middle and end. MMOs never end.
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Post by auu on May 11, 2017 13:58:25 GMT
LOL the SJW-obsessed people are just as annoying as the SJWs. So much this^ Anything someone doesn't agree with on the internet these days is labeled SJW propaganda. The irony is: I seldom see actual SJW's...but I see tons of people complaining about them. I'll be happy when people find a new buzzword/target. Seeing SJW all over the place is annoying af. And while we're on the subject...what's a SJW anyway? Is it anyone who pushes for inclusion and equality? If that's the case, then some of the best and most positively influential people in history have been SJW's (Ghandi, MLK, fucking Jesus, etc). The entire civil rights movement was based on social justice. So was women's lib and the emancipation proclamation. Hating on social justice just makes a person look like an uneducated Neanderthal. Back on topic: wtf does Peebee's design have to do with social justice anyway? I'm pretty sure her appearance and personality are results of her creator's preferences...not some kind of social justice propaganda. lol are you comparing the SJW-Twitter idiots to Ghandi and MLK? That's a good laugh, man.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:04:08 GMT
Well, I would add something I was thinking about yesterday after getting over the "No ME:A2 in works" thing. No matter what, BioWARE entertained me for 20 years, and even if Andromeda was their very last game it would have ended it on the same note as it started. Andromeda reminds me a lot of Baldur's Gate 1, the same happy, unapologetically fun if quirky experience. But it's not the last game, and if someone can drag me kicking and screaming into the on-line gaming, grinding and (horror!) use of social media in gaming, that's BioWARE. They did it a couple of times already, making me play a MMO and a co-op, and they made me awkwardly use Tweet (ouch). So help me, I will try "Project D" if I cannot get an SP title out of them, as long as it is true to Bio's credo of offering the player choices of what and how to play, and working on the game with the atypical demographics in mind (like me). I unfortunately probably won't be...and I'm kind of sad about that, as I used to want to check out any Bioware game, no matter what style it was. But it's not the online or social elements that don't appeal to me, so much as the lack of deep narrative and story that a lot of those genres tend to have for whatever reason. I'm not a fan of many First Person Shooters or open world RPGs for this reason. But I do like action/adventure titles, they don't have to be traditional old school RPG, if they have a good story. The issue with MMO, is that like with social media, they rely a lot on the users/social experience, and so less on narrative and cinematics. MMOs are also less friendly to older gamers and people with limited time to play than single player games. SP games are more like novels or films, they have a beginning, middle and end. MMOs never end. That's what I thought, but SWTOR is actually the most narratively complex of all BioWARE games with the astounding number of RP choices for the PC and insane replayability of the story unrivaled by any of Bio's SP titles. SWTOR does end on Corellia, more so than Dragon Age. The rest is like DLCs with the same protagonist. So, if they can pull something like that on Dylan...
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Post by jastall on May 11, 2017 14:05:15 GMT
So amongst all the chit-chat I need something cleared up; as EA actually said the franchise is on hiatus, or is that classic Kotaku-style clickbait? It wouldn't surprise me if it was indeed put on ice seeing as Andromeda did get a rather tepid reception, but I want facts, not assumption from one of the worst websites on the planet for that sort of thing. "With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We’re also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development. There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead." Didn't specifically say hiatus... but you don't have to be a pathfinder to read that quote an realize Mass Effect is now the last thing on their plate. So no, they didn't actually say it. That there are restructuring and that the same team didn't immediately get the ball rolling on MEA2 is a given, so I won't expect another ME game before 4-5 years at best, Montréal clearly needed some spanking after what happened and that will affect these things. But that they put the franchise itself on indefinite hold or that it's ''dead'' is hyperbolic nonsense as usual. Guess I expected no less from Kotaku.
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Post by Sah291 on May 11, 2017 14:09:01 GMT
I unfortunately probably won't be...and I'm kind of sad about that, as I used to want to check out any Bioware game, no matter what style it was. But it's not the online or social elements that don't appeal to me, so much as the lack of deep narrative and story that a lot of those genres tend to have for whatever reason. I'm not a fan of many First Person Shooters or open world RPGs for this reason. But I do like action/adventure titles, they don't have to be traditional old school RPG, if they have a good story. The issue with MMO, is that like with social media, they rely a lot on the users/social experience, and so less on narrative and cinematics. MMOs are also less friendly to older gamers and people with limited time to play than single player games. SP games are more like novels or films, they have a beginning, middle and end. MMOs never end. That's what I thought, but SWTOR is actually the most narratively complex of all BioWARE games with the astounding number of RP choices for the PC and insane replayability of the story unrivaled by any of Bio's SP titles. SWTOR does end on Corellia, more so than Dragon Age. The rest is like DLCs with the same protagonist. So, if they can pull something like that on Dylan...
Well maybe Bioware will have their own take on it and have rich story elements. That's possible. I just probably won't be ordering sight unseen like I normally do for Dragon Age and Mass Effect titles.
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 11, 2017 14:15:09 GMT
So much this^ Anything someone doesn't agree with on the internet these days is labeled SJW propaganda. The irony is: I seldom see actual SJW's...but I see tons of people complaining about them. I'll be happy when people find a new buzzword/target. Seeing SJW all over the place is annoying af. And while we're on the subject...what's a SJW anyway? Is it anyone who pushes for inclusion and equality? If that's the case, then some of the best and most positively influential people in history have been SJW's (Ghandi, MLK, fucking Jesus, etc). The entire civil rights movement was based on social justice. So was women's lib and the emancipation proclamation. Hating on social justice just makes a person look like an uneducated Neanderthal. Back on topic: wtf does Peebee's design have to do with social justice anyway? I'm pretty sure her appearance and personality are results of her creator's preferences...not some kind of social justice propaganda. lol are you comparing the SJW-Twitter idiots to Ghandi and MLK? That's a good laugh, man. Can you imagine MLK demanding the people support his gofundme campaign on twitter? Ghandi weighing in on Kim Kardashian while calling Trump an Elitist. *Sips Ryncol*
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:17:46 GMT
That's what I thought, but SWTOR is actually the most narratively complex of all BioWARE games with the astounding number of RP choices for the PC and insane replayability of the story unrivaled by any of Bio's SP titles. SWTOR does end on Corellia, more so than Dragon Age. The rest is like DLCs with the same protagonist. So, if they can pull something like that on Dylan...
Well maybe Bioware will have their own take on it and have rich story elements. That's possible. I just probably won't be ordering sight unseen like I normally do for Dragon Age and Mass Effect titles. Same, I will sift through the pile to figure out if I want it or not on the off chance it is actually not really a BioWARE game. With SWTOR, I had my long-time gaming girlfriends telling me 100% that it is story-rich and have everything I want there, even if I never group up with others.
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Post by DoctorFox on May 11, 2017 14:18:36 GMT
Well, if true that is disappointing. Not unexpected from EA I suppose, but still disappointing. I'd rather they learn their lessons and move forward, but I guess that is too expensive for EA. I think the lesson here is: don't put your B Team in charge of a triple A title. BW Montreal weren't ready for the big time. Should have kept them as the DLC/Multiplayer team and let Edmonton do the main game. I know BW Edmonton were busy with a new IP but that means EA should have let them finish that project then get them onto the ME:A.
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Post by R1Outcast on May 11, 2017 14:44:11 GMT
So much this^ Anything someone doesn't agree with on the internet these days is labeled SJW propaganda. The irony is: I seldom see actual SJW's...but I see tons of people complaining about them. I'll be happy when people find a new buzzword/target. Seeing SJW all over the place is annoying af. And while we're on the subject...what's a SJW anyway? Is it anyone who pushes for inclusion and equality? If that's the case, then some of the best and most positively influential people in history have been SJW's (Ghandi, MLK, fucking Jesus, etc). The entire civil rights movement was based on social justice. So was women's lib and the emancipation proclamation. Hating on social justice just makes a person look like an uneducated Neanderthal. Back on topic: wtf does Peebee's design have to do with social justice anyway? I'm pretty sure her appearance and personality are results of her creator's preferences...not some kind of social justice propaganda. lol are you comparing the SJW-Twitter idiots to Ghandi and MLK? That's a good laugh, man. No. I'm saying many people who've had positive influences on society in terms of race relations and equality, would likely labeled SJW's if they were around today. I'm saying the whole SJW labeling thing is dumb and over-played. I wish people would just get over it already and stop labeling everything and everyone a SJW. It's like "SJW" is some kind of scapegoat boogeyman that people call out to whenever they disagree with something. It's stupid.
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Post by kumazan on May 11, 2017 14:56:14 GMT
lol are you comparing the SJW-Twitter idiots to Ghandi and MLK? That's a good laugh, man. No. I'm saying many people who've had positive influences on society in terms of race relations and equality, would likely labeled SJW's if they were around today. I'm saying the whole SJW labeling thing is dumb and over-played. I wish people would just get over it already and stop labeling everything and everyone a SJW. It's like "SJW" is some kind of scapegoat boogeyman that people call out to whenever they disagree with something. It's stupid. But they were called SJWs in their time too. An easy example is how suffragettes were labbeled as crazy misandrists much like their modern feminist counterparts are. Of course no one but the lowest filth among the bigoted scum would say today that the suffragettes were wrong in any way.
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Post by aglomeracja on May 11, 2017 15:09:02 GMT
No. I'm saying many people who've had positive influences on society in terms of race relations and equality, would likely labeled SJW's if they were around today. I'm saying the whole SJW labeling thing is dumb and over-played. I wish people would just get over it already and stop labeling everything and everyone a SJW. It's like "SJW" is some kind of scapegoat boogeyman that people call out to whenever they disagree with something. It's stupid. But they were called SJWs in their time too. An easy example is how suffragettes were labbeled as crazy misandrists much like their modern feminist counterparts are. Of course no one but the lowest filth among the bigoted scum would say today that the suffragettes were wrong in any way. Right, totally the same thing.
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Post by R1Outcast on May 11, 2017 15:11:07 GMT
No. I'm saying many people who've had positive influences on society in terms of race relations and equality, would likely labeled SJW's if they were around today. I'm saying the whole SJW labeling thing is dumb and over-played. I wish people would just get over it already and stop labeling everything and everyone a SJW. It's like "SJW" is some kind of scapegoat boogeyman that people call out to whenever they disagree with something. It's stupid. But they were called SJWs in their time too. An easy example is how suffragettes were labbeled as crazy misandrists much like their modern feminist counterparts are. Of course no one but the lowest filth among the bigoted scum would say today that the suffragettes were wrong in any way. Yes, you get it. That's precisely my point. It amazes me how people eagerly repeat the same mistakes over and over instead of learning from the past.
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