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Post by mordingrimes on May 14, 2017 4:17:54 GMT
ME3's endings gave one of the greatest killing-offs of a protagonist. It also provoked one of the biggest internet reactions I've ever seen. They should have had real different endings, how could they get it so wrong. At least 6, with real different outcomes etc Defeat the reapers, survive, live happily ever after and relax with some beers and squad on the beach and so on and son etc
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 4:25:19 GMT
No. What we saw prior to 1.05 was unpolished hubris. I clearly saw the difference after 1.05. They just didn't have enough variety. That's the real crime. It's not their artistry went down, they again just didn't provide enough variety, like the music. It wasn't polished. There is great talent untapped, sitting at desks, waiting for a lead and a developer to take their creativity onto the Frostbite canvas. I see the good and the potential. They can't hang on their old reputation anymore. It's now on Bioware 2.0. They're veterans now with a 6-7 game rating. They laid an excellent foundation. I'm excited for the DLC. It's going to have bugs. It's Frostbite, yo. However, I am willing to bet they will tie up as many loose ends. It will help the game stand on its own two feet. With that being said, I still got a chuckle from the above post. It can happen if the trend continues.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 4:31:05 GMT
It also provoked one of the biggest internet reactions I've ever seen. They should have had real different endings, how could they get it so wrong. At least 6, with real different outcomes etc Defeat the reapers, survive, live happily ever after and relax with some beers and squad on the beach and so on and son etc There are game lists that have "Top 10 worst game endings ever." Mass Effect 3 is always on those lists. Always near or at #1. It was a big deal. A very big deal. I bragged on Bioware. Family and friends got sick of me throwing in Mass Effect or Dragon Age into any conversation regarding video games, movies, TV shows, etc. Bioware this, Bioware that. ME 3's ending... well, we don't say Bioware anymore because I don't want to hear the snickers and chortles. So, yeah, Bioware is 1.0 gone. Let's hope Bioware 2.0 can build on their own successes and failures. I just wish they would throw us some love back like communicating more effectively and modding tools. Nothing special. Just let us have avatar control. Let the modding community show you newly-minted vets what we bring back to your table. I'm not really a modder. I'm a mod user.
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Post by goishen on May 14, 2017 4:45:04 GMT
Very truthfully, I wish they'd invite some people into the alpha instead of doing focus tests.
I mean, that's great and all, that they're doing focus tests. But it doesn't really address the main problem of a thirteen year old doing the writing.
"And then... *gasps* Cora does biotics. Then, Liam says, 'I didn't know you were biotic?' And you wanna what Cora says? *snickers* *gasps through bracers* 'They aren't contagious.'"
Srsly?
Are you fucking joking me?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 14, 2017 4:51:14 GMT
Most likely I'd play it, though Shepard has retired to Earth with Kaidan to live in the orchards the Alenko Family owns.. That's factual information that BioWare refuses to release for fear of an even bigger controversy than RGB.
EDIT: Still, you can count me as a fifth person who likes MEA. Unless it was already assumed I'd post here.
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Post by alanc9 on May 14, 2017 4:53:58 GMT
Very truthfully, I wish they'd invite some people into the alpha instead of doing focus tests. What's the difference?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 5:03:01 GMT
Very truthfully, I wish they'd invite some people into the alpha instead of doing focus tests. I mean, that's great and all, that they're doing focus tests. But it doesn't really address the main problem of a thirteen year old doing the writing. "And then... *gasps* Cora does biotics. Then, Liam says, 'I didn't know you were biotic?' And you wanna what Cora says? *snickers* *gasps through bracers* 'They aren't contagious.'" Srsly? Are you fucking joking me? That's the hubris. Where was the director? Why didn't some one say, "Ok, let's try it again differently. Ok, can you try it this way in case we need to use an alternate version?" No, it sounds like we got a lot of first takes. The writing. Who actually role-played that and said, "This doesn't sound right. Can we try an alternative?" The director is supposed to be doing this. Unless there was some sort of unknown filter or process blown, I just can't imagine a director being that afraid to speak up.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 14, 2017 5:05:12 GMT
Most likely I'd play it, though Shepard has retired to Earth with Kaidan to live in the orchards the Alenko Family owns.. That's factual information that BioWare refuses to release for fear of an even bigger controversy than RGB. EDIT: Still, you can count me as a fifth person who likes MEA. Unless it was already assumed I'd post here. I don't care what Shepard does in the bedroom. He saved the galaxy from the Reaper invasion. Everyone focuses on the wrong part of things.
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Post by goishen on May 14, 2017 5:09:30 GMT
Heh.
Wow.
Ummmm, okay.
If I have to explain it to you, the meaning is prolly lost, but I'll give it a try. Focus tests are with people that have a desired interest in the product that you're selling. Alpha (and summarily beta) tests are for finding bugs in game and the problems with the game in general. No matter what they are.
In other words, say you're a developer. Say that you're gonna create a third person shooter. Say you invite several people to alpha test your game, only to find find that it would better work as a 2D side scrolling game. What are you gonna do? Ignore all of those alpha testers who said it would work better as a 2D side scroller, or all of those focus tests who think that you should keep it as a third person shooter?
Which are you gonna ignore? Experience or mass intelligence?
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Post by mordingrimes on May 14, 2017 5:09:40 GMT
Very truthfully, I wish they'd invite some people into the alpha instead of doing focus tests. I mean, that's great and all, that they're doing focus tests. But it doesn't really address the main problem of a thirteen year old doing the writing. "And then... *gasps* Cora does biotics. Then, Liam says, 'I didn't know you were biotic?' And you wanna what Cora says? *snickers* *gasps through bracers* 'They aren't contagious.'" Srsly? Are you fucking joking me? That's the hubris. Where was the director? Why didn't some one say, "Ok, let's try it again differently. Ok, can you try it this way in case we need to use an alternate version?" No, it sounds like we got a lot of first takes. The writing. Who actually role-played that and said, "This doesn't sound right. Can we try an alternative?" The director is supposed to be doing this. Unless there was some sort of unknown filter or process blown, I just can't imagine a director being that afraid to speak up. That truly is the scary thing, that who ever was in charge thought the writing was great and ready for the masses. How could no one say anything?
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Post by Furisco on May 14, 2017 5:28:37 GMT
Why would i want Shepard back when i can have the greatest sitcom legend making horrible jokes at the most dumb moments ?
Even if Ryder was kinda shitty in a lot of ways i still wanna see improvements with him/her and actually being able to not act like a bitch in MEA2.
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Post by unwanted on May 14, 2017 5:29:36 GMT
Do bears pee in biscuit tins? Of course I would, I would pre-order it today. Everyone saying Shep is dead, Shep is never dead to his/her fans he/she lives on to this day and countless beyond it. Why? Because we are still playing the shep story, and as we all know Bioware is quite capable of bending the rules.
As I keep saying Shep is Mass Effect, Mass Effect is Shep. This game should have been a one off or a new IP simply called Andromeda, were as Mass Effect 4 should have undoubtedly been the return, recreation or descendant of Shep.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2017 5:30:09 GMT
Wait, aren't most if not all of those jokes optional?
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2017 5:31:36 GMT
Do bears pee in biscuit tins? Of course I would, I would pre-order it today. Everyone saying Shep is dead, Shep is never dead to his/her fans he/she lives on to this day and countless beyond it. Why? Because we are still playing the shep story, and as we all know Bioware is quite capable of bending the rules. As I keep saying Shep is Mass Effect, Mass Effect is Shep. This game should have been a one of or a new IP simply called Andromeda, were as Mass Effect 4 should have undoubtedly been the return, recreation or descendant of Shep. Splitting Shep from Mass Effect is like a torch without batteries, it transforms from a shining light to usless piece of old junk. Well, people can have just about anything live on in their hearts if they want to, but that doesn't really change the fact that in the most current canon, Shepard is either dead or an application installed on ReaperOS. A small part of me would just love to see a Shepard Descendent PC in a role - an asari that FemShep had with Liara. I'd get some drinks just to watch the comments fly on the internet.
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Post by unwanted on May 14, 2017 5:37:44 GMT
Do bears pee in biscuit tins? Of course I would, I would pre-order it today. Everyone saying Shep is dead, Shep is never dead to his/her fans he/she lives on to this day and countless beyond it. Why? Because we are still playing the shep story, and as we all know Bioware is quite capable of bending the rules. As I keep saying Shep is Mass Effect, Mass Effect is Shep. This game should have been a one of or a new IP simply called Andromeda, were as Mass Effect 4 should have undoubtedly been the return, recreation or descendant of Shep. Splitting Shep from Mass Effect is like a torch without batteries, it transforms from a shining light to usless piece of old junk. Well, people can have just about anything live on in their hearts if they want to, but that doesn't really change the fact that in the most current canon, Shepard is either dead or an application installed on ReaperOS. As said, Bioware are more than capable of performing the ridiculous, take the beginning of ME2 for instance. I can think of 3 quite plausible scenarios right here right now and I can't write for toffee.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2017 5:38:45 GMT
But do we really want them to perform more of the ridiculous? I'd hate to think that people want more wacky asspulls just to appease fans with PC attachment issues.
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Post by gplayer on May 14, 2017 5:41:16 GMT
With out a doubt I would, I can only dream but I don't think Bioware/EA will ever do it. I think a good compromise now would be Bioware/EA doing a remaster of the trilogy for the old fans and down line continue the story of ME-A 2 for those who enjoyed it. I would pay for a remastered OT. I would also pay for a complete re-write of the last 15 minutes of ME3. To be more specific, keep gameplay but new textures all around, new voice acting for male shep (all other voice actors are fiine) and remove catalyst boy from the ending, replace with some avatar for Harbinger that Shep can berate before pulling the trigger (kind of like Rannoch)
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Post by Sanunes on May 14, 2017 5:42:07 GMT
No. I think what has hurt BioWare games since Mass Effect / Dragon Age: Origins is trying to appease the people that make comments about the game. You can see that with the outright removal of the Mako in Mass Effect 2 or all the companions returning in Mass Effect 3. I think if they were to bring Shepard back the game would be even more diluted then Mass Effect 3 and frankly thinking the game would be like that would be something I would avoid. The Mako was horrible in ME 1. The handling was awful, there's a reason it didn't make a return. If Bioware would have followed player comments, Ashley would have never made it back, so I doubt player input was that important. Not sure what you mean by diluted in that context. They could make it work easily really. Ashley coming back to me has a lot to do with how fans reacted maybe not asking for her return, but instead choices carrying forward. Look deeper at the different characters that returned in Mass Effect 3, I remember after Mass Effect 2 I am pretty sure there was an active thread for every character about how they "should" return in Mass Effect 3 and how important it was that they would. The problem with the characters returning in Mass Effect 3 is if they weren't in your squad the majority were basically cameo roles where they do a small bit and never heard from again. Which is what I mean by diluted, instead of having a handful of characters that have an impact on the game they plenty like Grunt or Jacob where its some dialogue during a mission and they could have had any NPC spouting the majority of that dialogue and it would have been identical.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 14, 2017 5:52:07 GMT
You bring the subtle joy on these forums that shines like a beacon through dead horses obliterated by negativity
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Post by Sanunes on May 14, 2017 5:55:18 GMT
With out a doubt I would, I can only dream but I don't think Bioware/EA will ever do it. I think a good compromise now would be Bioware/EA doing a remaster of the trilogy for the old fans and down line continue the story of ME-A 2 for those who enjoyed it. I would pay for a remastered OT. I would also pay for a complete re-write of the last 15 minutes of ME3. To be more specific, keep gameplay but new textures all around, new voice acting for male shep (all other voice actors are fiine) and remove catalyst boy from the ending, replace with some avatar for Harbinger that Shep can berate before pulling the trigger (kind of like Rannoch) I don't think either of those things are in BioWare's best interests for I just can't see them making it so it wouldn't be drowned out by negativity again. I can see multiple groups that have the completely opposite opinions about what should and should not be done to each game that regardless of what happens it just wouldn't be good enough.
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Post by projectpatdc on May 14, 2017 5:56:52 GMT
I'm surprised 4 people liked Andromeda. They're all gathered here. So they're easy to count. Hi!!!! Where's the other 3? Couldn't we also say the same about the same people who outweigh us 4 with the negativity? Even though they never actually fully explain their disdain?
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Post by projectpatdc on May 14, 2017 6:06:43 GMT
If you're (Not Novatrex directly, but whoever originally made this) going to post something like this, at least be intelligent and use something with the protagonist as the comparison. Because looking at Shepard vs Ryder, shepard in that pic looks like a drugged out raider high on Jet from Fallout 3. If you're going to use Addision, at least use the updated one so you don't look like you are a month behind. Edit: It twas ze Terminator Force. Haha, you crack me up sometimes, man. I enjoy your posts but use the updated stuff.
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Post by alanc9 on May 14, 2017 6:52:00 GMT
It also provoked one of the biggest internet reactions I've ever seen. They should have had real different endings, how could they get it so wrong. At least 6, with real different outcomes etc This makes no sense. The four outcomes they had were quite different. The presentations might have been similar, but you specified outcomes.
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