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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:10:11 GMT
Wonder if she has seen 2B? Bet her head would explode! I was pretty shocked with how erm tonned down and mild (you get the idea) the women are in MEA. Now as a male gamer i love to play a sexy male beast. I could almost guarantee that women gamers want sexy females. I highly doubt female gamers want to look erm bland while playing. I remember seeing the actors for the Ryders and the male was pretty spot on. But the female one looked like they hit it with an ugly stick then for laughs threw it off the cliff.😂 I don't want an avatar that is plain, but for me an interesting and cool looking female looks like Starbucks in BSG or Trinity in Matrix. I am yet to see a game that makes female avatars look gorgeous, fit, powerful and dangerous the way I imagine them in my fantasy/sci-fi setting. To me a powerful and rich woman dresses up to showcase that rather than to fit in a local bordello.
But if all we can produce when we think about beautiful and powerful women is half-naked, fine, let's have them half-naked, but only if the setting sex everyone up, and women wear stockings and corsets, then I want males wearing dusters, tight pants and go shirtless, with rich ornaments around their necks, on theor powerful arms, etc, etc, etc. It's whoring up the women, while giving men uber-cool looking sci-fi gear that bothers me, as if a woman can only look good half-nacked, and a man only can lok good in full armor.
I just want the degree of nakedness and sex'ing it up balanced, more like DA2, where everyone is attractive, and if Isabella has legs showing off, then Fenris shows off his arms.
Men look better with long hair and bold barbaric jewelry/outfits too, and a show of deltoids and abs is no less appealing than boobs and butts.
I don't care how default Ryders look like, but the custom ones are really favoring F!Ryder over M!Ryder for haircuts and outfits too much.
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Post by R'Shara on May 16, 2017 16:12:09 GMT
Well, I mean Jaal. *snicker*
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:29:24 GMT
Well, I mean Jaal. *snicker* What about him? He looks okay. Andromeda is consistent in that everyone that is not CC'd looks okay and is dressed in the same style outfits. No human male or female stands out as someone way outside everyone else's league. Well, at least to my eye.
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Post by R'Shara on May 16, 2017 16:31:12 GMT
Well, I mean Jaal. *snicker* What about him? He looks okay. Andromeda is consistent in that everyone that is not CC'd looks okay and is dressed in the same style outfits. No human male or female stands out as someone way outside everyone else's league. Well, at least to my eye. You were talking about if one gender is sexualized, the other should be too. And I was making a joke about Jaal and Liam's armor exchange scene. Sorry it didn't come across right.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:38:29 GMT
What about him? He looks okay. Andromeda is consistent in that everyone that is not CC'd looks okay and is dressed in the same style outfits. No human male or female stands out as someone way outside everyone else's league. Well, at least to my eye. You were talking about if one gender is sexualized, the other should be too. And I was making a joke about Jaal and Liam's armor exchange scene. Sorry it didn't come across right. Oh. you mean, we did not have a matching scene of Cora trying on PeeBee's jacket and complaining as Scott passes by that it would not close over her breasts?
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Post by R'Shara on May 16, 2017 16:39:03 GMT
That would have been awesome too.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 16:45:55 GMT
Heh, maybe. Overall, I just like control over how my character looks, and tbh female Ryders are pretty darn awesome imo, while males need skin clean ups and more hair options. And at least one casual outfit choice that looks stunning on him.
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Post by R'Shara on May 16, 2017 17:07:21 GMT
Actually, to be equal, it would have had to be Cora vs the Moshae's bra (if they wear one).
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 17:37:35 GMT
My complaint is when people assume that because they haven't had game breaking bugs, that there aren't any game breaking bugs, and that the people who say the game is buggy are just over-reacting whiners. I can think of a couple of different reasons why our experiences with bugs might be so very different (aside from some people being a lot more bothered by them than others): - Some bugs only manifest when a user does very specific things in a particular order. Those can be really hard to replicate, and are thus difficult to fix. - Some may be related to individual operating environment - e.g., platform, OS patch level, what else is running on your machine, overall system health and whatnot. For my part, I've recently built a new rig and the only other software running in the background when I play MEA is an emulator that allows me to use a PS4 controller with it. I believe you've said elsewhere that you use Cheat Engine - and I wonder if you might encounter fewer bugs if you tried playing the game without it. Just a thought...
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 16, 2017 18:05:13 GMT
Why should one wait months or a year before a game is in a state that it should've been at launch? Why should one then invest 60$ off the bat and wait for a finished product? People don't pay to beta test games, they do it expecting a good product from the start.Secondly, why would anything change if the first impression was shit? What's to say that doesn't just continue on in patches and DLC? It's happened to games before. even if a game does get better over time, it's first impression still sticks with it. Reviews don't just change due to developer laziness nor would mine(I have no reason to excuse what they initially tried to give me). Why should I wait for a finished product when there are other games out there competing for my time? As I said, first impression means everything, especially when that's where most sales occur, where reviews give out their impressions, where people decide whether or not to buy based off reviews and how it's received. There's no reason why someone should have to wait for a game to get better lol. Anything post launch is supposed to enhance the experience, not fix what was botched up. Er literally no game has ever released in a state that it should be at launch. Unfortunately, people do pay to beta test games because it's quite impossible to find every single bug in software of this scope in a decent time frame. The point is to give some leeway for initial bugs, rather than expecting a perfect experience on round 1. Regardless, the bugs that remained were not gamebreaking, and a lot of the complaints were based on issues like animations and story that have nothing to do with beta testing. Stop throwing the money deal. The game is fine and perfectly playable. It just had some issues. You still own it til the end of time. It's only been 2 months and most of the complaints have been addressed. Feel free to sell the game. If your first impression was truly shit, then I'm sorry for you and your taste. MEA is a good game overall. It was just a hot mess at times. It's quite fucking hilarious how so many people look fondly at games like DAO and ME1 which had and still have hilarious bugs that are only fixed through custom content. Honestly. Just move on with your lives if you truly don't like the game anymore. Stop shitting on BioWare for at least trying to make it right for those who do want to give it another go. Really wish this forum was more phone friendly or I'd try responding faster and in more detail. 1.games did used to launch in a fitting state, since then, people have become spoiled or let bad launches slip by "cause they'll fix it later". That's what has happened ever since devs learned the capabilities of fixing things post launch, before then they had to rely on getting their game fit for launch, or people weren't coming back next time. 2.money will always be an excuse and it should. Why should companies charge full price if their games aren't finished? It's misleading and it gives people no reason to come back the next time they launch a game. Not to mention people shouldn't have to wait as they maybe should've delayed the game? It's quite simple, if the sellers excuse is money, then it can work out just as much for the consumer. 3.youll find I myself like the game, I even had fun. However it really underachieved for a "Bioware Mass Effect" game to me and I don't envy the future if this is how they're going to make the future games. Me not playing or selling the game doesn't just fix the issue(more like running away), especially if one wants future games to improve for them. As as for the DA:O and ME1 comment, what's your point? Why can't a game in 2017 not do better than games that are a decade old? Do you not expect improvement? DA:O and ME1 is irrelevant at this point, not to mention they were good games to where people didn't have to complain about the bugs(and even then, people still did). Not to mention, I never had gamebreaking bugs, the stuff you think andromeda no longer has. Andromedas issues isn't that it has bugs, it's that it has so much, and then it has specific bugs that shouldn't be there in the first place. I full well know what game coding is, how it breaks each time a patch is out, etc etc. there are bigger games than this and they have less issues. It's called testing I believe? But then again they do have us guinea pigs to do it for them. lastly: who's shitting on bioware? Pointing out issues is exactly how fixes occur? Note the memes on andromedas animations, and how Bioware has fixed much of it. Remember when I said we pay to beta test? Yup. I'm looking forward to the character preset (cause it's a joke of a "creator" fixes as well cause it's quite awful. No uniqueness to characters at all and you're restricted so much, funny how bioware had no intention of doing anything about it till people brought up its limitations. I think some just get salty over people bashing something they like, it's human nature after all, but 70% of this forum is really blinded when it comes to what a hater is, a fanboy, or "shitting on bioware". Explanations are all that's needed, debating it doesn't change anything if I have my explanation.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 20:58:59 GMT
I was pretty shocked with how erm tonned down and mild (you get the idea) the women are in MEA. Now as a male gamer i love to play a sexy male beast. I could almost guarantee that women gamers want sexy females. I highly doubt female gamers want to look erm bland while playing. I remember seeing the actors for the Ryders and the male was pretty spot on. But the female one looked like they hit it with an ugly stick then for laughs threw it off the cliff.😂 I don't want an avatar that is plain, but for me an interesting and cool looking female looks like Starbucks in BSG or Trinity in Matrix. I am yet to see a game that makes female avatars look gorgeous, fit, powerful and dangerous the way I imagine them in my fantasy/sci-fi setting. To me a powerful and rich woman dresses up to showcase that rather than to fit in a local bordello.
But if all we can produce when we think about beautiful and powerful women is half-naked, fine, let's have them half-naked, but only if the setting sex everyone up, and women wear stockings and corsets, then I want males wearing dusters, tight pants and go shirtless, with rich ornaments around their necks, on theor powerful arms, etc, etc, etc. It's whoring up the women, while giving men uber-cool looking sci-fi gear that bothers me, as if a woman can only look good half-nacked, and a man only can lok good in full armor.
I just want the degree of nakedness and sex'ing it up balanced, more like DA2, where everyone is attractive, and if Isabella has legs showing off, then Fenris shows off his arms.
Men look better with long hair and bold barbaric jewelry/outfits too, and a show of deltoids and abs is no less appealing than boobs and butts.
I don't care how default Ryders look like, but the custom ones are really favoring F!Ryder over M!Ryder for haircuts and outfits too much.
Obviously the 2B thing is meant to be a joke, I don't think anyone would really consider that an appropriate outfit for Mass Effect (then again I didn't think skater chick outfits would ever be in ME either so what do I know). One of the best examples of how to do it both properly and improperly is Tomb Raider. The old pre-Reboot Lara is just some guys fantasy about crossing Indian Jones with a porn star, this is obviously the wrong way to present a female lead. The new Lara is still sexy and just as dangerous as ever without being a sexualized Barbie doll, this is a much better way to do it. If some folks are happy with MEA's Sara presets, well good for them. With some mods for skin tones and swapping skin textures around a few of them can be brought up to a level of "meh not bad". They are, to be nice, extremely plain though. I don't think it would be a grave insult to female gamers though to have at least one preset where the initial reaction is "yeah she is pretty good looking". Maybe I'm just a random weirdo (pretty sure I am actually) but a few of the Sara presets I found just as insulting as others would be if forced to play as 2B. Like "this is what BW thinks women are supposed to look like" or "this is what we are supposed to want to look like". Not for me thanks.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
Good for me, I guess. I loved my F!Ryder. I also love the armor and the F!R jacket/scarf combo. She was the most beautiful female human character I have ever played in a videogame.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 21:12:48 GMT
This forum definitely needs a better /eyeroll emoji.
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Post by R'Shara on May 16, 2017 21:20:48 GMT
My complaint is when people assume that because they haven't had game breaking bugs, that there aren't any game breaking bugs, and that the people who say the game is buggy are just over-reacting whiners. I can think of a couple of different reasons why our experiences with bugs might be so very different (aside from some people being a lot more bothered by them than others): - Some bugs only manifest when a user does very specific things in a particular order. Those can be really hard to replicate, and are thus difficult to fix. - Some may be related to individual operating environment - e.g., platform, OS patch level, what else is running on your machine, overall system health and whatnot. For my part, I've recently built a new rig and the only other software running in the background when I play MEA is an emulator that allows me to use a PS4 controller with it. I believe you've said elsewhere that you use Cheat Engine - and I wonder if you might encounter fewer bugs if you tried playing the game without it. Just a thought... I only used it after my initial playthrough. And most of the time when I encounter the bugs, it's without Cheat Engine on, and I end up needing to use it to get past the bug. I'm not the best at computers any more, but I've been working with computers for a looonnnggg time, and I generally know what I'm doing. No viruses, no malware, no bloatware, great processor, lots of RAM, brand new video card, all drivers updated. I also work in computers, my job is testing for problems. I know about the importance of replication. And if EA/Bioware cared, I could certainly give them detailed bug reports. Also, most of the bugs I've encountered are also experienced by a number of other people, as I can generally find a thread about it where other people have described the same incident.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:23:07 GMT
This forum definitely needs a better /eyeroll emoji.
BG/IWD games had just 2D portraits NWN1 was atrocious, KOTOR, KOTOR2 and JE just started to make 3D models look somewhat like humans, NWN2, DA:O and DA2 were similar to one another, and while Okay, certainly nowhere near ME:A; SWTOR looked okay, but far less realistic than ME:A Blade and Soul gave pretty pictures of anime characters and all females had broken hips and not just one, but multiple ribs removed Revelation was a matchstick version of Blade and Soul MEA games had interesting faces, but not what I would call beautiful and I hated how chars looked in Inquisition
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ME:A the only game where my character was customizable and alive-looking AND gorgeous. Plus she had a pretty good avatar body and armor looked great and did not clip.
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Post by mofojokers on May 16, 2017 21:32:02 GMT
I don't want an avatar that is plain, but for me an interesting and cool looking female looks like Starbucks in BSG or Trinity in Matrix. I am yet to see a game that makes female avatars look gorgeous, fit, powerful and dangerous the way I imagine them in my fantasy/sci-fi setting. To me a powerful and rich woman dresses up to showcase that rather than to fit in a local bordello.
But if all we can produce when we think about beautiful and powerful women is half-naked, fine, let's have them half-naked, but only if the setting sex everyone up, and women wear stockings and corsets, then I want males wearing dusters, tight pants and go shirtless, with rich ornaments around their necks, on theor powerful arms, etc, etc, etc. It's whoring up the women, while giving men uber-cool looking sci-fi gear that bothers me, as if a woman can only look good half-nacked, and a man only can lok good in full armor.
I just want the degree of nakedness and sex'ing it up balanced, more like DA2, where everyone is attractive, and if Isabella has legs showing off, then Fenris shows off his arms.
Men look better with long hair and bold barbaric jewelry/outfits too, and a show of deltoids and abs is no less appealing than boobs and butts.
I don't care how default Ryders look like, but the custom ones are really favoring F!Ryder over M!Ryder for haircuts and outfits too much.
Obviously the 2B thing is meant to be a joke, I don't think anyone would really consider that an appropriate outfit for Mass Effect (then again I didn't think skater chick outfits would ever be in ME either so what do I know). One of the best examples of how to do it both properly and improperly is Tomb Raider. The old pre-Reboot Lara is just some guys fantasy about crossing Indian Jones with a porn star, this is obviously the wrong way to present a female lead. The new Lara is still sexy and just as dangerous as ever without being a sexualized Barbie doll, this is a much better way to do it. If some folks are happy with MEA's Sara presets, well good for them. With some mods for skin tones and swapping skin textures around a few of them can be brought up to a level of "meh not bad". They are, to be nice, extremely plain though. I don't think it would be a grave insult to female gamers though to have at least one preset where the initial reaction is "yeah she is pretty good looking". Maybe I'm just a random weirdo (pretty sure I am actually) but a few of the Sara presets I found just as insulting as others would be if forced to play as 2B. Like "this is what BW thinks women are supposed to look like" or "this is what we are supposed to want to look like". Not for me thanks. I think you just hit the nail on the head buddy. "this is what we are supposed to want to look like" The stick swings both ways and both ways can i guess offend. I'd honestly prefer people to just chillax on how people should look....... Video games are all about how WE want to look. Otherwise i might as well shave my Ryder, give him a beard and a beer gut because that's the real me.....😂 Characters are normally always shown as perfect and beautiful as possible for this reason. Lately this has been getting heavily taken upon as offensive. To each their own , sometimes though i wonder if our way of thinking is just the old way now.😦 I think that is why the Asari clone army freaks me out... where are the sexy blue aliens?.😡
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 21:35:58 GMT
This forum definitely needs a better /eyeroll emoji.
BG/IWD games had just 2D portraits NWN1 was atrocious, KOTOR, KOTOR2 and JE just started to make 3D models look somewhat like humans, NWN2, DA:O and DA2 were similar to one another, and while Okay, certainly nowhere near ME:A; SWTOR looked okay, but far less realistic than ME:A Blade and Soul gave pretty pictures of anime characters and all females had broken hips and not just one, but multiple ribs removed Revelation was a matchstick version of Blade and Soul MEA games had interesting faces, but not what I would call beautiful and I hated how chars looked in Inquisition
I did not play anything else
ME:A the only game where my character was customizable and alive-looking AND gorgeous. Plus she had a pretty good avatar body and armor looked great and did not clip.
I definitely think they did a much better job on the bodies this time around. But it is still kinda one step forward one step back. femShep never really looked the part of a "super soldier" with those little stick arms of hers. I definitely prefer the body Sara/Cora have for someone that is supposed to be out there fighting enemies and battling giant monsters. She at least looks the part. Problem is now "every" woman in Andromeda looks like that. BW really needs to give the player characters and the few unique npc's in the game separate bodies. Many of the games you listed are just old. I dunno, maybe we are just judging by different standards here. The graphical fidelity of the game isn't what I have particular issue with. Many of those older games you listed had attractive characters in them, or at least you could make some within the confines of that game's technology level to simulate attractiveness. SWTOR being fairly recent is a good example, you could make an attractive looking female character even if obviously the graphics prevent it from being "life like". For MEA, if you find your Sara "gorgeous', well good for you. Wish there was a wide enough range of presets and/or a good enough range of CC options for everyone to find that.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 21:43:29 GMT
To each their own , sometimes though i wonder if our way of thinking is just the old way now.😦 I think that is why the Asari clone army freaks me out... where are the sexy blue aliens?.😡 Possibly just a generational thing. Also just the general societal norms these days where everyone is out looking for things to be offended by. Female beauty is definitely one of those things. I dunno, I've had too many real things in my life to be offended by that you just have to learn to deal with and move on for me to worry about getting "offended" by something so insignificant as that. Also maybe because I take more "appreciation" in female forms than others MEA just bothers me more, who knows. The Asari clone army is definitely freaky, but that was just the devs being lazy.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:44:42 GMT
I would never say no to more presets and cc options.
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Post by decafhigh on May 16, 2017 22:02:04 GMT
Wonder if she has seen 2B? Bet her head would explode! It is certainly something those devs put a lot of pride into.
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Post by vonuber on May 16, 2017 23:48:52 GMT
Wonder if she has seen 2B? Bet her head would explode! I'm clearly too old as i don't find that sexy, just so overly done to be ridiculous.
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Post by R'Shara on May 17, 2017 1:04:20 GMT
It's kinda both, I guess. I can appreciate the round bouncy buns are quite round and bouncy indeed, while still laughing at how overdone they are.
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Post by decafhigh on May 17, 2017 1:09:39 GMT
It's kinda both, I guess. I can appreciate the round bouncy buns are quite round and bouncy indeed, while still laughing at how overdone they are. That's kinda the point, its not supposed to be taken seriously. Even using the "self destruct sequence" to get rid of her usual skirt is tongue in cheek. At least that is how I took it. I just like how upset people get over it. It is definitely one finely sculpted rear though.
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