Fighting Amongst Ourselves

Too many spoilers in this thread, by the way.


OP didn't go through the campaign, and he posted this in the GENERAL section.

Maybe, but its not the players fault they put all of that in a book instead of in the game.  I can only judge it by what they present me with.

You don't need the book. The NPCs and Codex entries give you enough backstory to get the idea of the scenario.


The book just literally tells you what objectively happened.



In the game, you're dealing with it subjectively from other characthers.

Serious? We should read a book in order to "understand" a game story better? Realy? No. Just no.

Btw after someone here gave me a brief summary of the book I actualy realy wasted money and time to read it and you know what? Still do not believe in the uprising and hate it even more then before... this Sloane, such a nice and "I want only good for my people" person turns up to be a pretty damn hard warlord. And all this nice people who only wanted to live turned out to be hardened evil criminals. No, just no.

You may like it, others may like it, to me this is worse then space magic.

Edit (got cut out...): Sympathy? If I have no sympathy for the exiles, does it mean I have sympathy for Tann and Addison? I have not. But at least they act plausible and believable.

I read Nexus Uprising after i beat the game the first time, had to reread several parts to make sure i wasn't missing something. It only made me sympathise with Sloane early on, but as it progresses she goes from cynical to dumb, until eventually she betrays everyone and joins the clown party that were Calix's mutineers.

The Nexus hit the Scourge and things were chaotic, Jien Garson and much of the Initiative's leaders were killed in the confusion. Tann, who was basically the head AI version of the tax department became the new leader Addison became the head colonial development, Kesh became the super-indent, and Sloane Kelly who survived the crash was head Nexus security.

Kelly was a hothead who got along with Jien but never got along with Tann who she saw has little more than a glorified accountant. The people who were awaken after the Nexus' arrival wanted answers. 2 failed attempts at colonizing the planet Eos failed and supplies were running low and some people wanted their families brought out of cyro, some wanted to start new families, some wanted answers, some wanted to go back to Milky Way, and some were just angry because they felt lied to. Some thought the Nexus Leadership were playing favorites. An uprising was inevitable Tann and Addison's scheming assistant Spender made a deal with the krogan who had came to Nexus. Help us put down the uprising and you get more say in how things are ran. The krogan agreed and Kelly thought Tann was out of line and defected to the rebels eventually the krogan won and those in the uprising were exiled from the Nexus and any colonies that the Nexus would established if they tried to come back they would be killed on site.

Kelly led the exiles to Kadara and killed the kett occupying the port and the angara busy with their own problems abandoned the port and allowed Kelly to run it any way she saw fit.

Tann now had a new problem the krogan wanted what was promised to them, and Tann being a salarian already had a low opinion of krogan to begin with realized he would have to share power with Nakmoor Morda the leader of the krogan was more than he could handle Spender publicly lied about the deal and the krogan already feeling used and lied realized that Tann would never keep his word and the krogan having enough of the bullshit left and went to desert planet of Eaalden and started their own colony. Kesh stayed on the Nexus to keep the station from literally falling apart. 

Another group left the Nexus and formed an independent city-state in a cave on Eos because they were sick of the waiting for the Nexus leaders to get heads out their asses, in-fighting and bad calls that the Nexus leaders made.

Basically an unforeseen event caused the death of the original leaders and this lead to a panic in people who never trained to deal with it forced to make decisions that were never going to have any "good" outcome if Pathfinder Ryder hadn't shown up. It's also possible that even if Garson had lived and Kelly hadn't defected events wouldn't forced an uprising.

Like I said previously above, you don't need a book to understand, it simply gives depth.


In ME1, the feud between Saren and Anderson is entirely expounded in the novel Revelaton.

But this is not required at all as Anderson explains to you his past run-ins with him if you ask him.

But it most defnitely adds more nuance and depth and lore than what can be gleamed in a game.



Tann and Addison are the opposite of plausibility, Especially Addison.


Tann is a  power-hungry bureaucrat. His motives are no different than Sloane.

It is constantly remarked in game that Addison has no idea what she's doing. It's actually apart of her characther arc.

How is it hard to get what Bioware is trying write?

7 Leaders of the Nexus, including the founder, all perish when the Nexus hits the Scourge.

A racist one-minded bean-counter is selected as Supreme Director for no other reason that his name was next on the list.


How is that not a natural recipie for conflict?

Did you actually read the book?
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Because the Exiles aren't protrayed as anything. And especially not good from Tann's perpsective. Even Sloane initally doesn't sympathize with them.

Infact, no one is portrayed in a biased manner. The authors did  a good job to simply write the situation as it were.

Everyone's angle and perspective is evenly and equally explored. There's no favoritism. Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.



The Sloane in the book is no different in the game.  Sloane is a survivalist, not an idealist. There's no disconect. At the very  end of the book she clearly expounds



"When we look at what Sloane says and what is said about the exiles in the book, they would creaty a way different society."


utterly wrong.

Well, we did not have to read "Revelation" in order to understand ME plot. In game we learn Anderson met Saren some years ago AND THATS ABOUT IT, some side info, not more, not less, but this meeting and experience is completely irrelevant to the ME plot. If we want to know more, well we can read the book. If we don't we miss nothing. Here... well, we do not have to read the book either, but that leads ulimately to us thinking the plot is bull... and then some people like you come over here and tell us "read the book to understand"... yah and this book gives us not a proper explanation, in the end our thinking "the plot is crap" is even worse. Same applies to everything else, all this are just some side stories to fill gaps as you said, but thats it, we do not need them to understand the plots of the games. Nexus Uprising is different, it is not just some side story, it is a direct prequel. And btw there is no problem having "other media", this is normal with popular franchise, but imagine you would have to read some book before you can watch Imperium Strikes Back, they could do it, explain to us in any detail why the rebels are on Hoth, but that is not necessary and that is the point. After Nexus Uprising I think Sloane and the exiles are even more dumb then before oh and btw both Sloane and all exiles are pretty much out of character, either in book, or in game.

It's not black and white.

Sloane was trying to peacefully negotiate an end of the mutiny with Calix. You know the more reasonable procedure.



The Krogan being unleashed was simply the last straw. Tann and Addison made too many  big moves behind Sloane's back, including sending Kandros on a scouting mission without her input.



Don't leave out Tann using the Korgan (despite hating them) as nothing more than brainless beasts to do whatever he says and then to shut up when they ask for anything.

Also Spender being given the authority and praise to do whatever he pleases despite the numerous instances under  everyone's noses of the  constant subterfuge he engaged in.

Thats the point, it is an irrelevant sidestory. Nexus Uprising is different, it is a direct prequel.


They are plausible because they are believable. They are idiots, actualy too incompetent and unskilled for their jobs. But gues what, thats normal. I actualy thought all the time while reading the book Sloane will raly both parties (pro and contra Tann), unify them, and then I remembered the game I already finished to realize this is never going to happen. Maybe people should read the book before playing. Reading after completing game? Bad idea. Didnt have such a feeling with all the previous books and comics.


Normal for some low level bureaucrat who rises to power. Tann wants to retain in power and in order to, he have to make sure the Nexus is up and running smoothly and in trying to do it, he is like a hammer where a more fine tool wold be better.


Also nothing new.


Because they try to make us accept stupidity.


Surely not what they (residents of the Nexus) wanted but surely not 100% unexpected. So all capable leaders gone... well thats something I already experienced ^^.


Happens all the time, and?


Because "survival" is above everything else, because what we got here is nothing new. Sloane is a soldier, she do not have to "love" Tann in order to live and work by his stupid rules. And no matter what we can say, Tann and Addison are not trying to murder everyone and get the Nexus destroyed. Their decisions are unpopular and they are not good at selling it, we can go as far as saying their decisions are questionable, but thats all. People do not have to love their boss in order to work for one and make things that have to be done. When we remove all the clutter around it, the reason for the mutiny is: they just wont go back into cryo. I asked that before (not in this thread) but I will ask it again: What do they expect? If Tann and Addison werent there and some more popular and charismatic leader would be there, what would they think will happen? What if they "won" and would replace Tann and Addison, what then? In the end, it would result in the same "shit" they refuse to do, some have to go back in cryo in order to wakeup techs to get the Nexus repaired so it can support all the people. WIth or without Tann, the course of action is the same and for whatever reason SLoane and the mutineers do not see it.

Whatever, I can "accept" it as another plot device, god knows BW uses such things a lot, so, lets go with it. And now? Unless my german copy of the novel is not realy that good, Sloane is NOT described as some ultra violent criminal warlord and the mutineers neither (the few militant ones are dead), but after the "exile" they all turn into battle hardened veteran criminals, with Sloane being their all powerfull warlord. So BW feeds us shit (letting us believe in the uprising) and then feeds us even more shit (to believe how this turned out). Bah.

I can not wrap my mind around it, this whole uprising stuff is worse then any space magic ever presented.