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Post by slimgrin727 on Sept 22, 2017 19:57:11 GMT
I've heard they're having many problems with Cyberpunk 2077 from my friend, game director left some time ago and they scrapped everything he made, when it comes to game design, each concept is different every day. And from Glassdoor reviews there was someone who worked on Cyberpunk for only 1 year so far: "we read about Bungie and Mass Effect: Andromeda crunch and we laughed. Crunch here is insane and will hit current project hard." And from what I've heard on my interview several months ago, they're still in a basic concept stage, and they have no idea in which artistic direction they should go. Alright, maybe they will switch placeholders with final assets later, I don't know. And another thing my friend said- they're trying to get as much money from The Witcher franchise and Gwent they can get, because they're not sure how Cyberpunk will turn out. I don't know if all of this is true, we'll see, for now I'm skeptical, but wish them well. I won't be surprised if it is at least partially true. Cyberpunk is by far more complex conceptually than Witcher, and switching gears after a decade of doing essentially the same thing is not easy. Well, we'll if they ever manage to finish it. Given CDPR's history of chaotic development practices and with inside leakers being right about TW3 rumors, I've had to reconsider this myself. We can't know for certain how extensive the issues are but it's not unlikely they exist. It's also true the same complaints crop up in every dev cycle - poor management, unorganized structure, crunch time, low level designers being put through the ringer. But again, we can't know how big the problem is in a company of over 500 people. |
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What does he say that is concerning? Basically that Glassdoor reviews of the company paint a picture of out of touch management without a unified vision and an extremely chaotic development process. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 21:04:53 GMT
I won't be surprised if it is at least partially true. Cyberpunk is by far more complex conceptually than Witcher, and switching gears after a decade of doing essentially the same thing is not easy. Well, we'll if they ever manage to finish it. Given CDPR's history of Itchaotic development practices and with inside leakers being right about TW3 rumors, I've had to reconsider this myself. We can't know for certain how extensive the issues are but it's not unlikely they exist. It's also true the same complaints crop up in every dev cycle - poor management, unorganized structure, crunch time, low level designers being put through the ringer. But again, we can't know how big the problem is in a company of over 500 people. It's been 2.5 years since the release of their last game, and there is not a word about Cyberpunk progress, nothing shown save for a very old trailer. To me that is not promising. If the release is not in 2018-2019, no amount of government funding imo can keep them afloat. They need to capitalize on W3 success, and fast if they plan to remain as a single studio. If they sit on the pot for too long, they are going to lose the momentum and will likely start falling into smaller creative groups working on smaller projects. Well, that's me guessing. We'll know when we'll get there. |
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 22, 2017 21:29:18 GMT
Given CDPR's history of Itchaotic development practices and with inside leakers being right about TW3 rumors, I've had to reconsider this myself. We can't know for certain how extensive the issues are but it's not unlikely they exist. It's also true the same complaints crop up in every dev cycle - poor management, unorganized structure, crunch time, low level designers being put through the ringer. But again, we can't know how big the problem is in a company of over 500 people. It's been 2.5 years since the release of their last game, and there is not a word about Cyberpunk progress, nothing shown save for a very old trailer. To me that is not promising. If the release is not in 2018-2019, no amount of government funding imo can keep them afloat. They need to capitalize on W3 success, and fast if they plan to remain as a single studio. If they sit on the pot for too long, they are going to lose the momentum and will likely start falling into smaller creative groups working on smaller projects. Well, that's me guessing. We'll know when we'll get there. Yeah, but why should they release trailers and advertising if the game is like 3 years away? What for? Game could take 4 or 5 years of development. After 5 years is when the worrying should start, not before. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 21:35:39 GMT
It's been 2.5 years since the release of their last game, and there is not a word about Cyberpunk progress, nothing shown save for a very old trailer. To me that is not promising. If the release is not in 2018-2019, no amount of government funding imo can keep them afloat. They need to capitalize on W3 success, and fast if they plan to remain as a single studio. If they sit on the pot for too long, they are going to lose the momentum and will likely start falling into smaller creative groups working on smaller projects. Well, that's me guessing. We'll know when we'll get there. Yeah, but why should they release trailers and advertising if the game is like 3 years away? What for? Game could take 4 or 5 years of development. After 5 years is when the worrying should start, not before. It's been 5.5 years since Cyberpunk was announced (May 2012). If the game is not coming till early 2020's it's far too long for an organized, well managed studio. Waiting for a product for a decade is not particularly appealing. They are not moving fast enough on it, at the very least not as fast as they have anticipated. I am inclined to believe the grapevine that something is not quite right with the game. |
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 23, 2017 1:03:31 GMT
Yeah, but why should they release trailers and advertising if the game is like 3 years away? What for? Game could take 4 or 5 years of development. After 5 years is when the worrying should start, not before. It's been 5.5 years since Cyberpunk was announced (May 2012). If the game is not coming till early 2020's it's far too long for an organized, well managed studio. Waiting for a product for a decade is not particularly appealing. They are not moving fast enough on it, at the very least not as fast as they have anticipated. I am inclined to believe the grapevine that something is not quite right with the game. Well, they never officially announced it. They just said they were working on a new game, rumors seemed to indicate such game would be called Cyberpunk 2077. However, by that time they still had their hands full into Witcher's 3 development, is not like they could do full time in both games, it was only when Witcher's 3 support was wrapped when they truly started working on Cyberpunk, I wouldn't count development from back in 2012. It's kinda like saying Bethesda started working on TESVI as soon as Skyrim was over, but they had the new Fallout on their hands first. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 1:05:30 GMT
It's been 5.5 years since Cyberpunk was announced (May 2012). If the game is not coming till early 2020's it's far too long for an organized, well managed studio. Waiting for a product for a decade is not particularly appealing. They are not moving fast enough on it, at the very least not as fast as they have anticipated. I am inclined to believe the grapevine that something is not quite right with the game. Well, they never officially announced it. They just said they were working on a new game, rumors seemed to indicate such game would be called Cyberpunk 2077. However, by that time they still had their hands full into Witcher's 3 development, is not like they could do full time in both games, it was only when Witcher's 3 support was wrapped when they truly started working on Cyberpunk, I wouldn't count development from back in 2012. It's kinda like saying Bethesda started working on TESVI as soon as Skyrim was over, but they had the new Fallout on their hands first. Well, let's put a pin in it till 2021, then we'll see if they release it or not, and what it will end up like if they do. |
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 23, 2017 1:09:45 GMT
Well, they never officially announced it. They just said they were working on a new game, rumors seemed to indicate such game would be called Cyberpunk 2077. However, by that time they still had their hands full into Witcher's 3 development, is not like they could do full time in both games, it was only when Witcher's 3 support was wrapped when they truly started working on Cyberpunk, I wouldn't count development from back in 2012. It's kinda like saying Bethesda started working on TESVI as soon as Skyrim was over, but they had the new Fallout on their hands first. Well, let's put a pin in it till 2021, then we'll see if they release it or not, and what it will end up like if they do. I think if we all learned anything, is that is best to not hold our breaths on anything. Look at Andromeda (assuming you didn't like it either, otherwise disregard my comment), so much waiting, and what did we get in the end? Once we actually have information from part of CDPR about the game, then maybe we could start building some hype, if applicable. |
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Post by decafhigh on Sept 23, 2017 17:56:32 GMT
It's been 2.5 years since the release of their last game, and there is not a word about Cyberpunk progress, nothing shown save for a very old trailer. To me that is not promising. If the release is not in 2018-2019, no amount of government funding imo can keep them afloat. They need to capitalize on W3 success, and fast if they plan to remain as a single studio. If they sit on the pot for too long, they are going to lose the momentum and will likely start falling into smaller creative groups working on smaller projects. Well, that's me guessing. We'll know when we'll get there. They have their Gwent game which released this year, and I thought another game besides just Cyberpunk that is coming next year (maybe not, don't recall the rumor mills exactly?). Also talk of TW4 now. I don't think CDPR is in any trouble at all actually. They seem to have plenty of titles in the works. |
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 23, 2017 18:05:39 GMT
It's been 2.5 years since the release of their last game, and there is not a word about Cyberpunk progress, nothing shown save for a very old trailer. To me that is not promising. If the release is not in 2018-2019, no amount of government funding imo can keep them afloat. They need to capitalize on W3 success, and fast if they plan to remain as a single studio. If they sit on the pot for too long, they are going to lose the momentum and will likely start falling into smaller creative groups working on smaller projects. Well, that's me guessing. We'll know when we'll get there. They have their Gwent game which released this year, and I thought another game besides just Cyberpunk that is coming next year (maybe not, don't recall the rumor mills exactly?). Also talk of TW4 now. I don't think CDPR is in any trouble at all actually. They seem to have plenty of titles in the works. Actually I'm pretty sure they've indicated TW4 isn't something they are working on currently and I've heard nothing about any other game. Nobody knows anything about when Cyberpunk will come out, though we have heard we could start hearing more about it next year. |
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Post by slimgrin727 on Sept 23, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
There is another AAA title aside from Cyberpunk in the works. They've said it multiple times and it was in an investor's report. Zero hints on what it is though, or how much of a priority it is. Gwent is due out this year, which should thankfully free devs up for, uhm, more interesting stuff.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 23, 2017 19:09:31 GMT
There is another AAA title aside from Cyberpunk in the works. They've said it multiple times and it was in an investor's report. Zero hints on what it is though, or how much of a priority it is. Gwent is due out this year, which should thankfully free devs up for, uhm, more interesting stuff. Yup. Though they did confirm though that the 2nd AAA title in works is not another Witcher game. |
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 24, 2017 0:26:28 GMT
Do you guys think there will be a "The Witcher 4" ? I'm sure there will be another Witcher game, but I'm not sure if Geralt will ever come back. After the events of TW3 he is already somewhat old, not sure if there's enough to make another game centered on him.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 24, 2017 5:03:59 GMT
Do you guys think there will be a "The Witcher 4" ? I'm sure there will be another Witcher game, but I'm not sure if Geralt will ever come back. After the events of TW3 he is already somewhat old, not sure if there's enough to make another game centered on him. Yeah, CDPR have already said W3 was Geralt's finale. But I could see Geralt taking on a Vesemir-like mentoring role in a future game. They also briefly mentioned there were places & NPCs in the Witcher's world we've never seen before, so they may move the next game to a different region. |
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 24, 2017 21:04:30 GMT
Do you guys think there will be a "The Witcher 4" ? I'm sure there will be another Witcher game, but I'm not sure if Geralt will ever come back. After the events of TW3 he is already somewhat old, not sure if there's enough to make another game centered on him. Yeah, CDPR have already said W3 was Geralt's finale. But I could see Geralt taking on a Vesemir-like mentoring role in a future game. They also briefly mentioned there were places & NPCs in the Witcher's world we've never seen before, so they may move the next game to a different region. Indeed, we still haven't seen Zerrikania, that would be fantastic, neither have we visited any of Nilfard regions before. By the end of W3 the future for the Witcher schools definitely looks grim, I don't know if Geralt would want to be a master of one of the schools (presumably the Wolf school), but who knows. I'd definitely enjoy that type of come back for him though. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2017 1:07:50 GMT
If Cyberpunk 2077 does really well, I can see CDPR maybe adopting character creation like that into the next Witcher game.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 25, 2017 10:49:54 GMT
BW games on the other hand, always seem a bit... Soulless... in comparison when it comes to cutscenes. Specifically because they don't have an established character, they don't know if your character is a male or female, they don't know if he's a soldier / engineer / biotic. They don't establish anything in regards to personality either.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Sept 28, 2017 23:21:01 GMT
Yeah, CDPR have already said W3 was Geralt's finale. But I could see Geralt taking on a Vesemir-like mentoring role in a future game. They also briefly mentioned there were places & NPCs in the Witcher's world we've never seen before, so they may move the next game to a different region. Indeed, we still haven't seen Zerrikania, that would be fantastic, neither have we visited any of Nilfard regions before. By the end of W3 the future for the Witcher schools definitely looks grim, I don't know if Geralt would want to be a master of one of the schools (presumably the Wolf school), but who knows. I'd definitely enjoy that type of come back for him though. Isn't Zerrikania supposed to be the Witcherverse version of Africa? If so it'll never happen unfortunately. |
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Post by Superhik on Sept 29, 2017 3:23:36 GMT
Wonder how will Witcher's success affect this? With most companies ( of this size) they have a clear template they follow across different games. Thing is, this is polar opposite of their previous works. At least judging by what is founded on. CDPR, in so far, had a strong influence of Bioware and Rockstar.
This sounds something closer to Fallout meets Deus Ex meets Elder Scrolls.
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 29, 2017 13:39:22 GMT
Indeed, we still haven't seen Zerrikania, that would be fantastic, neither have we visited any of Nilfard regions before. By the end of W3 the future for the Witcher schools definitely looks grim, I don't know if Geralt would want to be a master of one of the schools (presumably the Wolf school), but who knows. I'd definitely enjoy that type of come back for him though. Isn't Zerrikania supposed to be the Witcherverse version of Africa? If so it'll never happen unfortunately. It's more an Arabic version, really. |
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Sept 29, 2017 13:50:54 GMT
Isn't Zerrikania supposed to be the Witcherverse version of Africa? If so it'll never happen unfortunately. It's more an Arabic version, really. That explorer mentioned striped horses which I assume to be zebras. An animal only found in Africa. Sub Saharan Africa. Where the oh so scary dark people are. |
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 29, 2017 14:06:23 GMT
It's more an Arabic version, really. That explorer mentioned striped horses which I assume to be zebras. An animal only found in Africa. Sub Saharan Africa. Where the oh so scary dark people are. We have met someone from there, Azar Javed (not sure I'm spelling that right) from the first game. He looked more Arabic than African. Though I would expect a new Witcher game to go either north or the empire rather than Zerrikania. |
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Sept 29, 2017 14:10:11 GMT
That explorer mentioned striped horses which I assume to be zebras. An animal only found in Africa. Sub Saharan Africa. Where the oh so scary dark people are. We have met someone from there, Azar Javed (not sure I'm spelling that right) from the first game. He looked more Arabic than African. Though I would expect a new Witcher game to go either north or the empire rather than Zerrikania. There are a lot of Arabs in Africa. A lot. |
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Post by slimgrin727 on Sept 29, 2017 14:21:33 GMT
Zerrikania is a take on the middle east or Arabia. Sapkowski mentions striped horses in the books once and he may even have a name for 'Africa', I can't recall. But he never expounded on it and so neither did CDPR. Cyberpunk will have plenty of diversity, so don't worry.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 29, 2017 14:36:25 GMT
We have met someone from there, Azar Javed (not sure I'm spelling that right) from the first game. He looked more Arabic than African. Though I would expect a new Witcher game to go either north or the empire rather than Zerrikania. There are a lot of Arabs in Africa. A lot. Sure, but I thought we were talking about whether it was supposed to be a subSaharan Africa analogue? |
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