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Post by Psychevore on May 21, 2017 12:26:31 GMT
These threads make my face tired. Nobody knows for sure how well the games sold until EA comes out and tells us; which they will never do. Anyone who claims to know how much of a financial success this game was is a liar. All NPD doesnt know is Origin numbers - it has all the other info... most people probably bought this game on console. No bragging about sales like with Inquisiton, no refuting the Kotaku report after the fact, and Bioware Montreal being scattered around to other projects along with no word about expansions or DLC aside from multiplayer maps... Game sold like hot garbage. And you can get it right now for 50% off! Also funny to see Mac Walters all of a sudden stop tweeting at the beginning of April - almost as if he's relegated himself to the fact that him and the team fucked up big time. Origin numbers, and every sale of the game everywhere outside the USA. You know that there's more countries on the world than the USA, right? There's an entire continent that has roughly the same size gaming market as the USA (or rather, North America): Europe. Kotaku refuted itself. Twice even. Twice the article was edited by Kotaku themselves because it was just pure fucking garbage. What's left is an industry wide practice for bigger game companies to move staff around after the game has been released, something that means absolutely nothing. It's 50% off? Where? And what does that even mean according to you? Like good seeling games never go on sale to sell some more units, or something. Conjecture, as always.
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Post by liquidsnake on May 21, 2017 12:33:10 GMT
THIS guy again? Seriously? Do we need a new topic every single time this fella posts a video hating on Andromeda? It's no secret he absolutely hates the game. He's made enough 20 minute videos where he repeats the exact same talking point over and over for us to get the point.
Also, why do we care what he has to say? He never backs a single assertion with facts. He's some random no body with a Youtube channel. Anyone can create a Youtube channel. Go check out the rest of his content. He has probably close to ten or more videos about Andromeda since it's release, every single one talking about how much he hates it for it's animations at launch and it's animations alone. Do we really care what some guy in his bedroom staring at a video camera says about a game he clearly hates, and has likely spent more time recording himself talking about it than actually playing it? He doesn't work for any of these companies. He doesn't have facts. He has conjecture that he passes along as if it's the complete truth. Holy moly, we get enough of this 'speculation based on no evidence passed as facts' these days in the REAL world news.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2017 12:48:18 GMT
All NPD doesnt know is Origin numbers - it has all the other info... most people probably bought this game on console. No bragging about sales like with Inquisiton, no refuting the Kotaku report after the fact, and Bioware Montreal being scattered around to other projects along with no word about expansions or DLC aside from multiplayer maps... Game sold like hot garbage. And you can get it right now for 50% off! Also funny to see Mac Walters all of a sudden stop tweeting at the beginning of April - almost as if he's relegated himself to the fact that him and the team fucked up big time. Origin numbers, and every sale of the game everywhere outside the USA. You know that there's more countries on the world than the USA, right? There's an entire continent that has roughly the same size gaming market as the USA (or rather, North America): Europe. Kotaku refuted itself. Twice even. Twice the article was edited by Kotaku themselves because it was just pure fucking garbage. What's left is an industry wide practice for bigger game companies to move staff around after the game has been released, something that means absolutely nothing. It's 50% off? Where? And what does that even mean according to you? Like good seeling games never go on sale to sell some more units, or something. Conjecture, as always. Green Man Gaming, from everything I can tell its another Grey Market key reseller, they just don't seem to screw over the smaller devs like G2A does.
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Post by sherlockholmes on May 21, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
Just thought I'd interject some facts. 1. 5/21/2012: Five years ago, when ME:A was first conceived, EA was trading at $14 2. 3/21/2017: The day ME:A launched it was at $88 3. 4/21/2017: One month after launch, EA stock starts to climb. 4. 5/9-5/10 2017: Stock jumps $12! 5. 5/16/2017: All time high: $112 6. 5/19/2017: At market close, $107.
So, the only two things I can say from that with absolute certainty is that since ME:A was launched, stock jumped nearly 20%. And that I wished I'd bought a s-ton-load of that stock in 2012. Of course, I have no idea if the launch of ME:A had anything to do with their stock surging, but do wonder what happened on 5/9 to warrant that single day huge jump.
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Wait, suikoden didn't post this?
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Wait, suikoden didn't post this? Are we in the end times? Who?
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 13:24:18 GMT
So, the only two things I can say from that with absolute certainty is that since ME:A was launched, stock jumped nearly 20%. And that I wished I'd bought a s-ton-load of that stock in 2012. Of course, I have no idea if the launch of ME:A had anything to do with their stock surging, but do wonder what happened on 5/9 to warrant that single day huge jump. You are aware that EA sells a lot of brands? It says nothing on a particular brand but on overall performance.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2017 13:33:21 GMT
I wonder why people keep throwing sales numbers of diffrent games around as if that would mean anything. Any company developing any product has certain projections for this product to be a success. Based on production costs, man hours and overall development cycle. So ME3 selling X amount of copies can't be compared to MEA selling X amounts of copies. Same for DAI or any other game. Unless you are privy to how the company calculated, not even the precise numbers of copies sold tells you anything of value. It's all pure speculation. Based on the official statements coming from the PR departments, neither denying nor confirming the downsizing of Bioware Montreal, it seems their sales projections haven't been met. Which still doesn't mean they didn't make a profit and are abandoning the franchise. It only means, they stopped to analyze where to go from here. If the rumors had been totall untrue, any PR department worth it's money, would have stepped up to counter them vehemently. Being non commital as they are, doesn't cut it. Edit: After watching the video, I see that YonYea takes all of this into account. I'd say he did a pretty decent job with the data being available to him. They did confirm they are moving people to other studios from BioWare Montreal, to Motive Studios and other BioWare studios. Which makes sense for Motive Studios and BioWare Montreal were close together. If people think Andromeda did as bad as it did, I really wonder if they would move people to possibly two brand new IPs, Battlefront 2, and probably a new Dragon Age game, since we don't know what the people at Edmonton are working on aside from the new IP. The problem I have with the source Kotaku article is that it was updated twice and they never indicated they updated the story, so they aren't admitting the reported it wrong in the first place. While other article I have seen about the downsizing and hiatus of Mass Effect link that as the source article. I won't watch that YouTube video from my past experience with those videos they are basically clickbait so I am not going to support it, but from prior experience it seems that people on YouTube are taking numbers out of context to prove their points, especially since I found a breakdown that makes more sense to me and it in a written format so I can try and double check the numbers they are using better.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2017 13:36:03 GMT
Just thought I'd interject some facts. 1. 5/21/2012: Five years ago, when ME:A was first conceived, EA was trading at $14 2. 3/21/2017: The day ME:A launched it was at $88 3. 4/21/2017: One month after launch, EA stock starts to climb. 4. 5/9-5/10 2017: Stock jumps $12! 5. 5/16/2017: All time high: $112 6. 5/19/2017: At market close, $107. So, the only two things I can say from that with absolute certainty is that since ME:A was launched, stock jumped nearly 20%. And that I wished I'd bought a s-ton-load of that stock in 2012. Of course, I have no idea if the launch of ME:A had anything to do with their stock surging, but do wonder what happened on 5/9 to warrant that single day huge jump. May 9th, is when EA released their financial reports for the end of fiscal year 2016 after closing, so it is probably based more around speculation of how the company did for the year with all their brands and digital content.
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Post by sherlockholmes on May 21, 2017 13:42:53 GMT
So, the only two things I can say from that with absolute certainty is that since ME:A was launched, stock jumped nearly 20%. And that I wished I'd bought a s-ton-load of that stock in 2012. Of course, I have no idea if the launch of ME:A had anything to do with their stock surging, but do wonder what happened on 5/9 to warrant that single day huge jump. You are aware that EA sells a lot of brands? It says nothing on a particular brand but on overall performance. I thought I covered that when I said: "Of course, I have no idea if the launch of ME:A had anything to do with their stock surging" but thanks for making that clearer.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2017 13:49:50 GMT
Here is the first link I found on it from Google. LinkIf I remember the timelines correctly that was after they announced the game was coming in Early 2017 and in that article they said they would delay the game up to five months. Now it does get fuzzy because the announcement was at the beginning of November and the game was released at the end of March. So it becomes how they intended to look at the delay, from when they made that comment or when they had the date penciled in. If it was from when they had the game penciled in delaying until June could have been possible. Yeah but that does not mean anything, its EA's word and that has no value whatsoever. EA also said the same thing about sim city, that they were sorry for that game controversial release in 2013, and that they would not do this again. Well at the end of the same year, there was a game called battlefield 4 that was also broken at launch : They said the same thing for ME 3, that they were pushing it back from october or november 2011 to march 2012 because they wanted to make a better game. The problem is, it was still not bioware decision to release it at that moment, they wanted more time to make a palaven mission and work on it for more time, but that could not happen due to time restraints. The catch to your argument is where those comments were made. It was an investor call which EA has to be very careful with since if they are caught misrepresenting the facts or outright lying could be extremely costly to them. The lawsuit after Battelfield 4 is proof of that for it would probably cost them more then any gain they might have had. If it was just a press release or conference I would be more skeptical too.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2017 13:52:47 GMT
Am I missing something, or is 2.6-3.5m now "millions less" than 3m? Because I'm fairly sure that's not how maths works... That is the problem I have with the title of this thread (and maybe that YouTube video) for how the person breaks down the possible sales numbers of 2.6 to 3.5 million makes more sense then anything I have gathered from prior YouTube videos on the subject.
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Post by cypherj on May 21, 2017 14:09:09 GMT
His interpolation didn't seem particularly outlandish to me. My main question concerns the accuracy of the data from the NPD group or whatever. If those rankings are accurate, and the sales of the other games are known, it would seem a reasonable estimate. Is he missing something? Yes, the capabilities for making a rational analysis for one. And PC sales for another. He is dumb enough to make a big thing of MEA dropping to 7th place second month without checking how it's predecessor did. I will stop embarrasing him there. Oh you like to quote VGchartz do you. I'm not sure from where he got the 1,14 mil when their own charts give 985106 sold copies first week for DAI. Anyway MEA sold 1031628 first week according to their charts so if we're going to make any assumptions from VGchartz it has to be that MEA did better than DAI not the other way around. IF you apply rational analysis to it. There's a breakdown of how they got the 1.14 in the article, all you have to do is pull out a calculator and do the math.
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Post by correctamundo on May 21, 2017 14:21:27 GMT
Yes, the capabilities for making a rational analysis for one. And PC sales for another. He is dumb enough to make a big thing of MEA dropping to 7th place second month without checking how it's predecessor did. I will stop embarrasing him there. Oh you like to quote VGchartz do you. I'm not sure from where he got the 1,14 mil when their own charts give 985106 sold copies first week for DAI. Anyway MEA sold 1031628 first week according to their charts so if we're going to make any assumptions from VGchartz it has to be that MEA did better than DAI not the other way around. IF you apply rational analysis to it. There's a breakdown of how they got the 1.14 in the article, all you have to do is pull out a calculator and do the math. Are you for real? His numbers don't match their own data. I'm sure you can add his numbers up well enough but what source is it? DPFHA? Their own charts? The site your quoting says that MEA did better than DAI and your conclusion is that MEA did worse?
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 14:21:35 GMT
The problem I have with the source Kotaku article is that it was updated twice and they never indicated they updated the story, so they aren't admitting the reported it wrong in the first place. While other article I have seen about the downsizing and hiatus of Mass Effect link that as the source article. You don't need the Kotaku article for anything other than them not denying what it says. Which only happens if it's true or not entirely false. Otherwise their whole machinery would be on high alert denying it. DA4? Who's going to develop it? Edmonton is developing their new IP, so DA4 is a rumor at best, not even in the stages of early development. Upgrading the game is called customer service. If they hadn't done that, they could just as well pack up and leave. Them never admitting to anything being wrong storywise is also business as usual. What do you expect hem to say. Them being their PR department, to be perfectly clear, since there's no business in the world publishing unfiltered messages.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2017 14:29:50 GMT
The problem I have with the source Kotaku article is that it was updated twice and they never indicated they updated the story, so they aren't admitting the reported it wrong in the first place. While other article I have seen about the downsizing and hiatus of Mass Effect link that as the source article. You don't need the Kotaku article for anything other than them not denying what it says. Which only happens if it's true or not entirely false. Otherwise their whole machinery would be on high alert denying it. DA4? Who's going to develop it? Edmonton is developing their new IP, so DA4 is a rumor at best, not even in the stages of early development. Upgrading the game is called customer service. If they hadn't done that, they could just as well pack up and leave. Them never admitting to anything being wrong storywise is also business as usual. What do you expect hem to say. Them being their PR department, to be perfectly clear, since there's no business in the world publishing unfiltered messages. Edmonton would be the ones developing it since to my knowledge they have two teams there. The team that worked on the first three Mass Effect games and now the New IP and the Dragon Age team. Unless they shifted personnel after Dragon Age: Inquisition and it didn't make the news. Plenty of places will indicate updates and changes to their articles so people know something has changed at least the places I visit do.
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Post by malgus on May 21, 2017 14:31:41 GMT
Yeah but that does not mean anything, its EA's word and that has no value whatsoever. EA also said the same thing about sim city, that they were sorry for that game controversial release in 2013, and that they would not do this again. Well at the end of the same year, there was a game called battlefield 4 that was also broken at launch : They said the same thing for ME 3, that they were pushing it back from october or november 2011 to march 2012 because they wanted to make a better game. The problem is, it was still not bioware decision to release it at that moment, they wanted more time to make a palaven mission and work on it for more time, but that could not happen due to time restraints. The catch to your argument is where those comments were made. It was an investor call which EA has to be very careful with since if they are caught misrepresenting the facts or outright lying could be extremely costly to them. The lawsuit after Battelfield 4 is proof of that for it would probably cost them more then any gain they might have had. If it was just a press release or conference I would be more skeptical too. So what, they had a lawsuit for mass effect 3 ending and it did not bother them to do it again for sim city and battlefield 4 the year after that.
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Post by cypherj on May 21, 2017 14:36:07 GMT
There's a breakdown of how they got the 1.14 in the article, all you have to do is pull out a calculator and do the math. Are you for real? His numbers don't match their own data. I'm sure you can add his numbers up well enough but what source is it? DPFHA? Their own charts? The site your quoting says that MEA did better than DAI and your conclusion is that MEA did worse? No the itemized numbers in the article I'm reading says what they say. Are you telling me to ignore what I read in the article? Also as I've said before EA has never missed an opportunity to say when something has had the best launch for a "insert IP", or for a BIoware game period. They said on the earnings call after DA:I came out that it was the most successful launch for a BIoware game based on units sold. The earnings call after ME:A has come and gone and not a peep. Didn't even get a most successful launch for a ME game, let alone Bioware game period. So it may not have even done better than ME:3 at this point. www.vgchartz.com/article/268027/mass-effect-andromeda-sells-an-estimated-103m-units-first-week-in-the-west-at-retail/1.03 million. So this doesn't even match what you said their site said. So obviously they're calculating this in a certain way, which I'll assume were the same for both articles.
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Post by danaxe on May 21, 2017 14:37:24 GMT
Holy smoke, how can people give credit to a guy like this???
He contradicts himself during the "analysis" of the data....
Paraphrasing: MEA sold about 3,5M, and while that is a decent number, its bad because of the money invested vs money returned"....
I mean seriously??? 3.5M copies is more than half of what Witcher 3 sold (vanilla game) and MEA had half the budget. So by this youtuber logic, Andromeda is actually more successful than Witcher 3, which again by his logic, Witcher 3 was a resounding failure ....
Such non-sense.... Geez..
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Post by goishen on May 21, 2017 14:51:18 GMT
*shrug* Gets called fake news any time you bring up anything that is less than ass kissing about their l33t Xenu and Scientology err I mean BioWare.
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Post by cypherj on May 21, 2017 14:53:13 GMT
Holy smoke, how can people give credit to a guy like this??? He contradicts himself during the "analysis" of the data.... Paraphrasing: MEA sold about 3,5M, and while that is a decent number, its bad because of the money invested vs money returned".... I mean seriously??? 3.5M copies is more than half of what Witcher 3 sold (vanilla game) and MEA had half the budget. So by this youtuber logic, Andromeda is actually more successful than Witcher 3, which again by his logic, Witcher 3 was a resounding failure .... Such non-sense.... Geez.. Well that's not exactly what he said. He said the game is just now getting to 3.5 million sold when they said it would sell three million the first week, and that total would be 30 - 50% of the total sales, which would be 6 - 9 million. He's just saying that if they're behind the initial pace they'll fall millions short of the 9 million projection. Don't think he ever said it was a resounding failure, just that he didn't think it would hit expectations. 9 million seemed too high for me when I saw the article months ago. Pretty lofty expectations, when ME:3 sold six million to people anxious to see how Shepard's story ended. How did they think a reboot of the series would do 50% better?
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Post by danaxe on May 21, 2017 14:58:39 GMT
Holy smoke, how can people give credit to a guy like this??? He contradicts himself during the "analysis" of the data.... Paraphrasing: MEA sold about 3,5M, and while that is a decent number, its bad because of the money invested vs money returned".... I mean seriously??? 3.5M copies is more than half of what Witcher 3 sold (vanilla game) and MEA had half the budget. So by this youtuber logic, Andromeda is actually more successful than Witcher 3, which again by his logic, Witcher 3 was a resounding failure .... Such non-sense.... Geez.. Well that's not exactly what he said. He said the game is just now getting to 3.5 million sold when they said it would sell three million the first week, and that total would be 30 - 50% of the total sales, which would be 6 - 9 million. He's just saying that if they're behind the initial pace they'll fall millions short of the 9 million projection. Don't think he ever said it was a resounding failure, just that he didn't think it would hit expectations. 9 million seemed too high for me when I saw the article months ago. Pretty lofty expectations, when ME:3 sold six million to people anxious to see how Shepard's story ended. How did they think a reboot of the series would do 50% better? If thats what he meant, he is still dead wrong. EA has ALWAYS said their projection was 3M by the 1st MONTH. Not week. IF MEA reaches 6M total sales, the game is still a freaking success for EA. For gamers? Debatle. But for EA, no doubt a hit with lots of smiles and corporate handshakes.
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Post by NUM13ER on May 21, 2017 15:01:10 GMT
Pretty good analysis with limited data. I think he is, again, trying to make a point that Mass Effect should have been delayed to finish up the polishing. EA's overconfidence in the Mass Effect brand name vs the quality of the game at launch was their mistake. You cannot do that in 2017 when fans have so much access to content and information at the tip of their fingers. I don't disagree with your point it needed more time for polish in the slightest. It certainly did. However I'll play devil's advocate on this one. This game was given 5 years development. For a publisher like EA to do that is commendable. They failed to give Mass Effect 3 the proper amount of development time, so for the next instalment in their franchise they loosen the time frame considerably (well over double the length). That in of itself is a positive step forward. Now remember this game was already delayed, which means they actually gave them even more time after over 4 years of development. Now imagine you're the guys running the shots at a company like EA. You decide to give this next Mass Effect all this time in the hopes that translates to a better product to launch this series again. You delay it's planned release because it needs polish. What are the odds realistically, after all that, someone like EA's going to accept a developers request for another few months delay? Not likely. There comes a time when BioWare has to take a large portion of responsibility for mismanaging this games time, resources and talent.
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Post by correctamundo on May 21, 2017 15:02:56 GMT
Are you for real? His numbers don't match their own data. I'm sure you can add his numbers up well enough but what source is it? DPFHA? Their own charts? The site your quoting says that MEA did better than DAI and your conclusion is that MEA did worse? 1.03 million. So this doesn't even match what you said their site said. So obviously they're calculating this in a certain way, which I'll assume were the same for both articles. Oh really?
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Post by cypherj on May 21, 2017 15:05:31 GMT
Well that's not exactly what he said. He said the game is just now getting to 3.5 million sold when they said it would sell three million the first week, and that total would be 30 - 50% of the total sales, which would be 6 - 9 million. He's just saying that if they're behind the initial pace they'll fall millions short of the 9 million projection. Don't think he ever said it was a resounding failure, just that he didn't think it would hit expectations. 9 million seemed too high for me when I saw the article months ago. Pretty lofty expectations, when ME:3 sold six million to people anxious to see how Shepard's story ended. How did they think a reboot of the series would do 50% better? If thats what he meant, he is still dead wrong. EA has ALWAYS said their projection was 3M by the 1st MONTH. Not week. IF MEA reaches 6M total sales, the game is still a freaking success for EA. For gamers? Debatle. But for EA, no doubt a hit with lots of smiles and corporate handshakes. Thankfully, EA CFO Blake Jorgensen was present at the Q3 call, and was able to put worries to rest. He stated that up to half of Mass Effect: Andromeda's lifetime sales will occur in the tiny fourth quarter window. Using the series' previous installment, Mass Effect 3, which sold six million copies in total, as a benchmark, Jorgensen estimated that Andromeda would reach three million units before Q4 ends. Since the game will only be out for a few days before the quarter closes, this translates to three million sales in the game's first week.Read More: www.looper.com/39724/mass-effect-andromeda-projected-sell-3-million-units-first-week/?utm_campaign=clipJorgensen, in line with the company’s belief, stated that the first week sales should make up between 30 to 50 percent of the total sales for the product. EA stands to sell between six to nine million copies of the franchise’s new game.
Lofty expectations to say the least, even with a drama free launch. The game was never going to be a financial failure. They put what forty million into it IIRC, that's 667,000 copies roughly if my head math is correct. They probably got that in pre-orders alone. But three million in the fourth quarter is 180 million minus 40 million to make and marketing expenses. They still had to be expecting a more than a hundred million.
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