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Post by vonuber on May 21, 2017 17:39:48 GMT
Why are so people desperate for this game to fail? I don't mean just dislike it (which is fine), but actually being suikoden levels obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it.
Surely, surely they are not so immature as to be still bothered by the ME3 ending.. they can't be that childish can't they?
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Post by R'Shara on May 21, 2017 17:41:47 GMT
Is this a fairly recent video? If so, I do find it interesting that some people are still pointing out the games perceived failures and shortcomings. It has been a few months since release, and I would think those who don't like the game have moved on. Or maybe we see the potential in Andromeda, like what isn't bugged/unpolished, and really want to see the potential fulfilled? Criticisms doesn't necessarily equal hating.
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Post by Lady Artifice on May 21, 2017 17:45:27 GMT
I was just grateful I liked the combat more than Inquisition's.
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Post by thedarkprince on May 21, 2017 17:48:39 GMT
I recall hearing that EA was expecting Andromeda to sell around 8-9 million copies. Second I heard that, I knew the series was fucked. ME has never sold those numbers.....no Bioware game has. They make rpg titles and not shooters like Call of Duty. Yet EA wanted COD numbers from the new ME game.
Now we have the new ip in the works which is like Destiny and is a pure action game from all reports. Facts are that EA has completely changed what people loved about Bioware. Hate to say it, but this is the beginning of the end of Bioware. The company we knew and loved is fucking dead.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 17:49:12 GMT
I don't think you really understand how publishers work. Of course Biowares games are part of EAs products, but EA doesn't make the game. Blame EA all you want, but they're not the issue and I actually see them as the scapegoat in this case. Should I just blame activision for bungies failures? Microsoft for 343s? There's a line between developer and publisher...... Im sticking to calling them Bioware. It's not how other publishers work at all. Bioware is an EA division by now. They own them and in some fashion they're calling the shots. As in granting the budget and doing the bean counting leading up to the publications. Bioware certainly isn't blameless, but the big business decisions are made by EA, owner of Bioware, not being only their publisher. In that sense the game turned out to be all right. I'm not a hater. I've sunk more than a couple of hundred hours into it, but I also see potential that hasn't been delivered on it's promise. I'd call MEA slightly worse than DAI, keeping in mind that DAI only rose to it's full potential by publishing it's DLCs. If that's gonna happen with MEA remains to be seen. It's anyone's guess. And I remain sceptical, based on the information we got.
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Post by setokaiba on May 21, 2017 17:50:15 GMT
Why are so people desperate for this game to fail? I don't mean just dislike it (which is fine), but actually being suikoden levels obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it. Surely, surely they are not so immature as to be still bothered by the ME3 ending.. they can't be that childish can't they? It's three things imo. One is ME3 ending , BioWare becoming SJWs, and some people just love to hate. I'm sure there are more but these are the main three I tend to see when it comes to BioWare bashing.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 17:52:59 GMT
It's three things imo. One is ME3 ending , BioWare becoming SJWs, and some people just love to hate. I'm sure there are more but these are the main three I tend to see when it comes to BioWare bashing. Yeah, you can stop right at the bolded part. If that's your gripe, I'm not taking you seriously. On the same lines as someone was saying when DAI came out, that collecting meat for the refugees was a socialist agenda.
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Post by setokaiba on May 21, 2017 17:54:10 GMT
Is this a fairly recent video? If so, I do find it interesting that some people are still pointing out the games perceived failures and shortcomings. It has been a few months since release, and I would think those who don't like the game have moved on. Or maybe we see the potential in Andromeda, like what isn't bugged/unpolished, and really want to see the potential fulfilled? Criticisms doesn't necessarily equal hating. They said that's a fine reason in the post. They mean people who just wanna see BioWare fail. I'm disappointed in the game it was a underwhelming but I don't get off on BioWare failure because I want them to improve.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 21, 2017 17:59:05 GMT
I don't think you really understand how publishers work. Of course Biowares games are part of EAs products, but EA doesn't make the game. Blame EA all you want, but they're not the issue and I actually see them as the scapegoat in this case. Should I just blame activision for bungies failures? Microsoft for 343s? There's a line between developer and publisher...... Im sticking to calling them Bioware. It's not how other publishers work at all. Bioware is an EA division by now. They own them and in some fashion they're calling the shots. As in granting the budget and doing the bean counting leading up to the publications. Bioware certainly isn't blameless, but the big business decisions are made by EA, owner of Bioware, not being only their publisher. In that sense the game turned out to be all right. I'm not a hater. I've sunk more than a couple of hundred hours into it, but I also see potential that hasn't been delivered on it's promise. I'd call MEA slightly worse than DAI, keeping in mind that DAI only rose to it's full potential by publishing it's DLCs. If that's gonna happen with MEA remains to be seen. It's anyone's guess. And I remain sceptical, based on the information we got. Not how other publishers work? Have you looked at other publishers and their relationship with a developer? 343 is a subsidiary of Microsoft made for the sole purpose of making and only making halo games. Bungie (the previous developer before 343 came to be)broke a contract with them previously because they had a desire to make a different game besides halo, Microsoft said no and eventually bungie ended the contract. Shall I go into Ubisoft? Or blizzard? I know how publishers work, some work differently than others. EA isn't anything special from the others out there, and much of Biowares games ME1-present wouldn't really exist without EAs intervention. It's simple, most developers can't support themselves on their own, a publisher is needed whether one likes it or not, that includes the devs themselves if they have to give up their freedom to co-exist with a publisher.
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 18:03:41 GMT
It's simple, most developers can't support themselves on their own, a publisher is needed whether one likes it or not, that includes the devs themselves if they have to give up their freedom to co-exist with a publisher. Or they can take the road of kickstarting their game. By the players and the community. Such as Obsidian or Larian. Obsidian, which developed the best Fallout game of reccent years. By Bethesda only being the publisher.
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Post by rpgmaster on May 21, 2017 18:24:29 GMT
It does not say 74% of full games. It says 74% of all game related sales. It you take subscriptions, mobile games and apps, smaller games that don't have physical releases and DLC that percentage will decrease dramatically.
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Post by goishen on May 21, 2017 18:29:32 GMT
I recall hearing that EA was expecting Andromeda to sell around 8-9 million copies. Second I heard that, I knew the series was fucked. ME has never sold those numbers.....no Bioware game has. They make rpg titles and not shooters like Call of Duty. Yet EA wanted COD numbers from the new ME game. Now we have the new ip in the works which is like Destiny and is a pure action game from all reports. Facts are that EA has completely changed what people loved about Bioware. Hate to say it, but this is the beginning of the end of Bioware. The company we knew and loved is fucking dead. I'm sticking with decaf's agenda. It all rides on Dylan now, and EA doesn't give much of a shit about ME or DA. They've liquified BioWare from a stable producer of money into a meat market for new talent that they wanna produce. See it happen all the time in corporate America.
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Post by alanc9 on May 21, 2017 18:32:12 GMT
I don't think you really understand how publishers work. Of course Biowares games are part of EAs products, but EA doesn't make the game. Blame EA all you want, but they're not the issue and I actually see them as the scapegoat in this case. Should I just blame activision for bungies failures? Microsoft for 343s? There's a line between developer and publisher...... Im sticking to calling them Bioware. It's not how other publishers work at all. Bioware is an EA division by now. They own them and in some fashion they're calling the shots. As in granting the budget and doing the bean counting leading up to the publications. Bioware certainly isn't blameless, but the big business decisions are made by EA, owner of Bioware, not being only their publisher. In that sense the game turned out to be all right. I'm not a hater. I've sunk more than a couple of hundred hours into it, but I also see potential that hasn't been delivered on it's promise. I'd call MEA slightly worse than DAI, keeping in mind that DAI only rose to it's full potential by publishing it's DLCs. If that's gonna happen with MEA remains to be seen. It's anyone's guess. And I remain sceptical, based on the information we got. I don't see which wrong decisions were made at the EA level. ME:A's budget and timeframe seem to have been adequate if not generous.
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Post by colfoley on May 21, 2017 18:36:15 GMT
Why are so people desperate for this game to fail? I don't mean just dislike it (which is fine), but actually being suikoden levels obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it. Surely, surely they are not so immature as to be still bothered by the ME3 ending.. they can't be that childish can't they? I've been wondering this too.
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Post by goishen on May 21, 2017 18:41:19 GMT
Because the game is a dumpster fire. It is failing.
"Well, that's subjective!!@@!!#!#!@!@!@"
Yah, you're right. You are the objective one, I keep on forgetting that.
How dense of me.
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Post by traks on May 21, 2017 18:42:54 GMT
It does not say 74% of full games. It says 74% of all game related sales. It you take subscriptions, mobile games and apps, smaller games that don't have physical releases and DLC that percentage will decrease dramatically. That's why I said 2 to 4 times and guesstimate. Multiplied by 2 means a 50% share of digital sales - you know.Anyways: sales only interest me in so far in what it means for future ME games and DLCs.
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Post by vonuber on May 21, 2017 19:05:06 GMT
Because the game is a dumpster fire. It is failing. "Well, that's subjective!!@@!!#!#!@!@!@" Yah, you're right. You are the objective one, I keep on forgetting that. How dense of me. If that's the case why are you posting on topics about it? And nothing particularly inciteful or interesting, just the boring dumpster fire routine. As I said, people seem obsessed.
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Post by suikoden on May 21, 2017 19:07:22 GMT
All NPD doesnt know is Origin numbers - it has all the other info... most people probably bought this game on console. No bragging about sales like with Inquisiton, no refuting the Kotaku report after the fact, and Bioware Montreal being scattered around to other projects along with no word about expansions or DLC aside from multiplayer maps... Game sold like hot garbage. And you can get it right now for 50% off! Also funny to see Mac Walters all of a sudden stop tweeting at the beginning of April - almost as if he's relegated himself to the fact that him and the team fucked up big time. Origin numbers, and every sale of the game everywhere outside the USA. You know that there's more countries on the world than the USA, right? There's an entire continent that has roughly the same size gaming market as the USA (or rather, North America): Europe. Kotaku refuted itself. Twice even. Twice the article was edited by Kotaku themselves because it was just pure fucking garbage. What's left is an industry wide practice for bigger game companies to move staff around after the game has been released, something that means absolutely nothing. It's 50% off? Where? And what does that even mean according to you? Like good seeling games never go on sale to sell some more units, or something. Conjecture, as always. Good selling games don't have to go on sale. That's why Zelda is so high on the chart. It's almost like you didn't even watch the vid and just started foaming at the mouth when you saw my post. Enjoy your multiplayer map pack DLC!
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Post by abaris on May 21, 2017 19:09:51 GMT
Good selling games don't have to go on sale. That's why Zelda is so high on the chart. Nintendo never went on sale. And that says what exactly? I tell you, nothing.
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Post by RageUnderFire on May 21, 2017 19:13:30 GMT
I like this game enough to play it.
But some diehards are silly like pacquiao fans after he got his azz beat by Mayweather.
They're in denial that this game has some huge flaws and is far from the best.
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Post by R'Shara on May 21, 2017 19:13:52 GMT
Or maybe we see the potential in Andromeda, like what isn't bugged/unpolished, and really want to see the potential fulfilled? Criticisms doesn't necessarily equal hating. They said that's a fine reason in the post. They mean people who just wanna see BioWare fail. I'm disappointed in the game it was a underwhelming but I don't get off on BioWare failure because I want them to improve. ...No they didn't? I quoted the whole thing? I'm still here, I'm still criticizing the game, and I don't want to see Bioware fail. I want them to fix the damn thing.
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Post by R'Shara on May 21, 2017 19:15:30 GMT
Why are so people desperate for this game to fail? I don't mean just dislike it (which is fine), but actually being suikoden levels obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it. Surely, surely they are not so immature as to be still bothered by the ME3 ending.. they can't be that childish can't they? It's three things imo. One is ME3 ending , BioWare becoming SJWs, and some people just love to hate. I'm sure there are more but these are the main three I tend to see when it comes to BioWare bashing. Oh jeezus. Not this ridiculous thing again. Not everything you disagree with is because of some SJW super conspiracy. My gosh.
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Post by Serza on May 21, 2017 19:17:51 GMT
Why are so people desperate for this game to fail? I don't mean just dislike it (which is fine), but actually being suikoden levels obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it. Surely, surely they are not so immature as to be still bothered by the ME3 ending.. they can't be that childish can't they? I think they are, actually. Why are so people desperate for this game to fail? I don't mean just dislike it (which is fine), but actually being suikoden levels obsessed with it. I've never seen anything like it. Surely, surely they are not so immature as to be still bothered by the ME3 ending.. they can't be that childish can't they? I've been wondering this too. They're fools, and should be eaten.
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Post by Serza on May 21, 2017 19:18:59 GMT
It's three things imo. One is ME3 ending , BioWare becoming SJWs, and some people just love to hate. I'm sure there are more but these are the main three I tend to see when it comes to BioWare bashing. Oh jeezus. Not this ridiculous thing again. Not everything you disagree with is because of some SJW super conspiracy. My gosh. Congratulations. You have just earned me thinking of you as reasonably unhappy. None of this stupid hate-because-it's-cool bullshit.
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