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Post by decafhigh on May 23, 2017 14:38:41 GMT
I felt the same way OP until half way thru the game. Sadly I felt it went downhill from there and the bad writing got more and more obvious. I liked MEA but it's the first BioWare game I didn't love. Up through the end of Habitat 7 the game is pretty great (aside from the CC). You have/had a few odd facial expressions when Ryder first wakes up but that, in the moment, was easily overlooked. You have Alec who in my opinion the best character in the game, the tone and urgency of the story is spot on, and even the frivolous banter with Ryder and Liam at that point fits pretty well (since they really aren't aware of how dire the straits are for the AI yet). Its not till they reach the Nexus that you started getting all the face is tired moments and the writing proves itself to be barely worthy of a trashy network sitcom.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 23, 2017 14:39:32 GMT
That said, don't let other opinions disturb your enjoyment. If you like ME:A, good for you. Too late. People have blasted this game for legit/good and bad/stupid reasons before it came hell some blasted it since it was announced! IMHO ME:A and now the whole franchise has been ruined by whiny entitled "fans" who won't shut the fuck up about animations (which have been largely fixed) and random bugs and won't shut the fuck up about so-called "SJW" politics (whatever the fuck that means) and those who whine and whine and whine and have NEVER offered any constructive criticism and then blast people like and the OP who have enjoyed the game greatly are the ones that have done most harm than good to help the game or series. To point now we don't know and it looks doubtful that we will get any more patches, story based single player DLC, or even a sequel because some people wouldn't shut the fuck up about how this game shouldn't be made, SJWs, the so-called "ugly" women in the game, and all the other nonsense bullshit that these losers wouldn't shut the fuck up about. Then they claimed to be "fans" of Mass Effect and/or BioWare and it looks like they pretty much destroyed Mass Effect: Andromeda for those that did enjoy it and buried the franchise as well. Hope you worthless pieces of shit are fucking happy. And if that is too long for you here is my TL;DR summery: FUCK THE ALL OF THE HATERS!
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 14:40:30 GMT
There was a lot of shit going on at release. Most prominently the SJW bullshit drowning out serious critiques at times. That's why I don't watch videos by any wayward youtubers but confine myself to reviewers that usually meet my tastes. Angry Joe is an example. His review of MEA is pretty in line with my own feelings about the game.
In short, I steered quite clear of the particular review or video when SJW was mentioned in the first few paragraphs. If that's someone's concern they should get a life. Well, yeah, the character presets are quite ugly and need a lot of work. They always did look ugly and needed a lot of work in every Bioware game or in other games for that matter. The cardinal sin of the character creator still are the eyes, which you can't shape to look natural by making them smaller.
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Post by alanc9 on May 23, 2017 14:54:39 GMT
How'd that eye thing even happen? They scanned the heads and then... got eyes from someplace else? Someplace that didn't stock the right size?
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Post by kino on May 23, 2017 15:04:37 GMT
Played Up till Nexus for the 1st time. (insanity it took me 5 hours and i really was paying attention to the details) Was cautious and sceptical due to the constant whinning. Yet as for every bioware game i Knew the hyperbole of the average gamer. Every time the same story: Me1 gets released. It got bombed. " oh no! bad combat!, empty words! Mako sucks! dialogue is the same no matter the choice!" Me2 gets released. "oh no! combat got streamlined! bring back the Me1 combat and the open-ness, Where is Mako?, hacking is a waste of time" Me3 gets relesed. " oh no!garbage! Its call of duty now! bring back the cover strategy from Me2! No hacking? autodialogue? bring back 3 choices from me1! it got it right!" Fast forward to 2017. I was shocked to find out that: 1) Sjw BS. non existant. Lies. (P U N C H E S) 2)Bad animations. Non existant. lies. Some Mediocre (facial ones) sure but as of now with 1.07... Just No. the animation 3)Bad dialogue. i want so much to run and kick you in the nuts until the balls come out of your mouth. The dialogue is not bad at all, the opposite! In fact the banter towards teh enviroment feels dynamic and the world feels very alive! i want to see the next Dragon age implement this system. 4) Voice acting. So far no problems. At all. Ryder sounds great. Liam sounds great! Cora sounds great. Lexi sounds great. Sam sounds great. 5) Combat . i dislike the lack of pause, the no radial wheel, the 3 powers mapping only. But it feels dynamic and the powers feel powerfull. To those who say i played only the beginning . It was the right from the beginning that people ripped part anyway. I say have fun with it. Ignore those who will attempt to minimize your experience or, even worse, whinge because you're enjoying it. Make mental notes of those times in the game where it could been done better and drop a line to BioWare. You may not get a response but at least you'll have been giving constructive criticism. But, most importantly, have fun with it and just say "fuck off" to anyone who tells you how to feel about the game, love it or hate it. It's your game.
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Post by DoctorFox on May 23, 2017 15:12:34 GMT
I found most of the dialogue and writing just fine. The problems I had were with Liam's cringeworthy lines (half the time I don't know what he's going on about even though I'm British) and Addison's my face is tired speech. The rest was fine. There were a few times where the voice acting director fucked up however. Some of the lines were delivered with too much fumbling and never got edited out or corrected to sound more fluent.
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Post by Exile Isan on May 23, 2017 15:24:15 GMT
I think the writing on the Nexus is kinda lackluster all around, but other than that I had no problems with the dialog or writing in this game. Some of the animations were wonky at first but a good portion of that has been fixed. And some scenes didn't need fixing, like some of the romance scenes, and the bar fight with Drack was just awesomeness.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 23, 2017 15:30:08 GMT
Great dialogue and voice acting in the prologue huh... Yes i noticed that ingame, what's bad about it? It's a cocky statement. Mass effect always had some mucho b.s talk.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 23, 2017 15:31:22 GMT
3)Bad dialogue. i want so much to run and kick you in the nuts until the balls come out of your mouth. The dialogue is not bad at all, the opposite! Well, given your average choice of words, I can see how the dialogue in the game might strike you as well written and sophisticated.
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Post by vonuber on May 23, 2017 15:37:43 GMT
You have Alec who in my opinion the best character in the game Not just from the intro though; from that he's basically a "Ramierz! Open that door!" character.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 23, 2017 15:39:23 GMT
I said ".. till nexus" to emphasize that these were my initial thoughts. I also know the game was worse before 1.07. Its the extra missinformation that i dislike. Also the title expresses some anger-managemnet issue i don'thave , "punching" is just a matter of speech. Well, MOSTLY.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 23, 2017 15:41:25 GMT
3)Bad dialogue. i want so much to run and kick you in the nuts until the balls come out of your mouth. The dialogue is not bad at all, the opposite! Well, given your average choice of words, I can see how the dialogue in the game might strike you as well written and sophisticated. LOL, come on man. I ve seen games with crappier dialogue that get praised i.e ALL japanese games. Persona? Nier?
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Post by aoibhealfae on May 23, 2017 15:43:54 GMT
well... MEA got gamergated... you don't need to understand it.
Just wait until the hate mob find something else to occupy their time.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 23, 2017 15:52:04 GMT
Well, given your average choice of words, I can see how the dialogue in the game might strike you as well written and sophisticated. LOL, come on man. I ve seen games with crappier dialogue that get praised i.e ALL japanese games. Persona? Nier? Oh, I am not into Japanese games. But there are definitely games that have worse dialogue, quite a lot of them, to be sure. That's not the point. The point is that given BW's standards of quality, ME:A was a quite underwhelming in that aspect as far as I was concerned. And I don't consider myself a hater, just a critic. Like a lot of others, I do see many positive side and potential in ME:A. I was actually mainly making fun of you because of your aggressive OP. While i get that you don't agree with the haters and may be annoyed with them, why on earth would you care at all? I mean, just going through these forums, there is nothing easier than to distinguish between the serious people with valid points and arguments and the haters (or the ... shall we call them lovers? drones? apologists? ... for that matter). The wording of your OP didn't exactly do much to make people take you seriously. Therefore, the only comment I could be bothered with at first was the little joke above.
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Post by alanc9 on May 23, 2017 15:53:08 GMT
FWIW, I had the same experience as the OP with DA2, which I ended up liking just fine. Less than DA:O, sure, but given the fast-and-cheap approach it did about as well as I could expect.
(Personally, I wish they'd stuck with that budget and timeframe going forward, but I don't think that's a workable strategy anymore.)
Anyway, no hard feeling for the haters. All they did in the end was save me money, since I got DA2 for cheap.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2017 16:01:59 GMT
I found most of the dialogue and writing just fine. The problems I had were with Liam's cringeworthy lines (half the time I don't know what he's going on about even though I'm British) and Addison's my face is tired speech. The rest was fine. There were a few times where the voice acting director fucked up however. Some of the lines were delivered with too much fumbling and never got edited out or corrected to sound more fluent. It wasn't until my second playthrough that I realized that she even said that. I think her clown makeup pre-patch made it stick out more.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:03:48 GMT
FWIW, I had the same experience as the OP with DA2, which I ended up liking just fine. Less than DA:O, sure, but given the fast-and-cheap approach it did about as well as I could expect. (Personally, I wish they'd stuck with that budget and timeframe going forward, but I don't think that's a workable strategy anymore.) Anyway, no hard feeling for the haters. All they did in the end was save me money, since I got DA2 for cheap. I was in disbelief as I played DA2 that the game was apparently hated upon, because I loved it to bits, and my careful shielding up against the terrifying ME3 endings went totally unused. I'd much rather experience that very special love for something the masses just could not appreciate the way, I, the discerning connoisseur do, than the disappointment I felt about Trespasser when my opinion radically diverged from the masses who loved it. For me it feels worse to be in the minority that dislikes something, than in the minority that loved something.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2017 16:04:24 GMT
You have Alec who in my opinion the best character in the game Not just from the intro though; from that he's basically a "Ramierz! Open that door!" character. I'm sort of an Alec Ryder fan myself, but I felt that he was a character that was more valuable to the story dead than alive. I thoroughly enjoyed the memories and how it gave us greater insight into the character's past and how he felt about his wife and kids. And of course, he gets to go out a big damn hero rather than being taken out like a red shirt.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
FWIW, I had the same experience as the OP with DA2, which I ended up liking just fine. Less than DA:O, sure, but given the fast-and-cheap approach it did about as well as I could expect. (Personally, I wish they'd stuck with that budget and timeframe going forward, but I don't think that's a workable strategy anymore.) Anyway, no hard feeling for the haters. All they did in the end was save me money, since I got DA2 for cheap. I was in disbelief as I played DA2 that the game was apparently hated upon, and my shielding up against the terrifying ME3 endings went unused. I'd much rather experience that very special love for something the masses just could not appreciate the way, I, the discerning connoisseur do, than the disappointment I felt about Trespasser when my opinion radically diverged from the masses who loved it. For me it feels worse to be in the minority that dislikes something, than in the minority that loved something. In a lot of ways, DA2 for me is easily the most consistently entertaining DA game.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:06:06 GMT
Not just from the intro though; from that he's basically a "Ramierz! Open that door!" character. I'm sort of an Alec Ryder fan myself, but I felt that he was a character that was more valuable to the story dead than alive. I thoroughly enjoyed the memories and how it gave us greater insight into the character's past and how he felt about his wife and kids. Oh, I loved that. It was way better than the PC with an amnesia, way better done, despite the oddity of memory triggers being dispersed on the unknown planets.
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Post by ioannisdenton on May 23, 2017 16:12:40 GMT
LOL, come on man. I ve seen games with crappier dialogue that get praised i.e ALL japanese games. Persona? Nier? Oh, I am not into Japanese games. But there are definitely games that have worse dialogue, quite a lot of them, to be sure. That's not the point. The point is that given BW's standards of quality, ME:A was a quite underwhelming in that aspect as far as I was concerned. And I don't consider myself a hater, just a critic. Like a lot of others, I do see many positive side and potential in ME:A. I was actually mainly making fun of you because of your aggressive OP. While i get that you don't agree with the haters and may be annoyed with them, why on earth would you care at all? I mean, just going through these forums, there is nothing easier than to distinguish between the serious people with valid points and arguments and the haters (or the ... shall we call them lovers? drones? apologists? ... for that matter). The wording of your OP didn't exactly do much to make people take you seriously. Therefore, the only comment I could be bothered with at first was the little joke above. well there's that. Haters hurt the game and all i see is bashing. not critisism but bashing. saying this game is total crap is false and it hurts the medium i support. My 2 beloved franchises , deus ex and Me are on hiatus. Partialy it's thet haters fault. Instead we get games like far cry5, and other boring sequels. This hurts me <--- Harbinger
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Post by themikefest on May 23, 2017 16:18:16 GMT
I'm sort of an Alec Ryder fan myself, but I felt that he was a character that was more valuable to the story dead than alive. I thoroughly enjoyed the memories and how it gave us greater insight into the character's past and how he felt about his wife and kids. And of course, he gets to go out a big damn hero rather than being taken out like a red shirt. I like Alec. I don't agree having him die at the beginning In a lot of ways, DA2 for me is easily the most consistently entertaining DA game. I'm currently playing DA2. I like the game. Sure it has its flaws. But it has, for me, the best dialogue. Play as a diplomat, sarcastic or aggressive Hawke. And when playing as femHawke, especially as a sarcastic femHawke, Jo Wyatt makes the game even better with her voice.
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Post by Kelwing on May 23, 2017 16:27:05 GMT
Did someone piss you off because he shot you in the face?
As far as animations go, you just wait until you get to the T-Rex bitchslap duel.Well, some of the criticized things have indeed been patched in the meanwhile, like certain tired faces or the creepy overly attached girlfriend stare that many characters had. And a lot of the criticisms were rather hyperbolic... but not unfounded. Of course, it all depends what level of quality we expect from our games these days, and many people's expectations, including my own, were not met in some aspects. It must be nice to play the game a certain time after release, where some of the early game problems were fixed. Keep going. I for one hope you will enjoy your playthrough. The combat is pretty good, actually. Ok I'm sitting here eating lunch and come the T-Rex fight line. You win the internet today and I need to wipe the drink I spit all over my phone off.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:32:25 GMT
That said, don't let other opinions disturb your enjoyment. If you like ME:A, good for you. Too late. People have blasted this game for legit/good and bad/stupid reasons before it came hell some blasted it since it was announced! IMHO ME:A and now the whole franchise has been ruined by whiny entitled "fans" who won't shut the fuck up about animations (which have been largely fixed) and random bugs and won't shut the fuck up about so-called "SJW" politics (whatever the fuck that means) and those who whine and whine and whine and have NEVER offered any constructive criticism and then blast people like and the OP who have enjoyed the game greatly are the ones that have done most harm than good to help the game or series. To point now we don't know and it looks doubtful that we will get any more patches, story based single player DLC, or even a sequel because some people wouldn't shut the fuck up about how this game shouldn't be made, SJWs, the so-called "ugly" women in the game, and all the other nonsense bullshit that these losers wouldn't shut the fuck up about. Then they claimed to be "fans" of Mass Effect and/or BioWare and it looks like they pretty much destroyed Mass Effect: Andromeda for those that did enjoy it and buried the franchise as well. Hope you worthless pieces of shit are fucking happy. And if that is too long for you here is my TL;DR summery: FUCK THE ALL OF THE HATERS! Lol...so says the "proud moderator". :amirite: Funny how everything is blamed on "haters", but when we see an in depth analysis that goes beyond facial animations( like recent one from Noah Gervais), "other side" goes "lalalalala... I can't hear you!" and outright refuse to look at it.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 23, 2017 16:41:56 GMT
Oh, I am not into Japanese games. But there are definitely games that have worse dialogue, quite a lot of them, to be sure. That's not the point. The point is that given BW's standards of quality, ME:A was a quite underwhelming in that aspect as far as I was concerned. And I don't consider myself a hater, just a critic. Like a lot of others, I do see many positive side and potential in ME:A. I was actually mainly making fun of you because of your aggressive OP. While i get that you don't agree with the haters and may be annoyed with them, why on earth would you care at all? I mean, just going through these forums, there is nothing easier than to distinguish between the serious people with valid points and arguments and the haters (or the ... shall we call them lovers? drones? apologists? ... for that matter). The wording of your OP didn't exactly do much to make people take you seriously. Therefore, the only comment I could be bothered with at first was the little joke above. well there's that. Haters hurt the game and all i see is bashing. not critisism but bashing. saying this game is total crap is false and it hurts the medium i support. My 2 beloved franchises , deus ex and Me are on hiatus. Partialy it's thet haters fault. Instead we get games like far cry5, and other boring sequels. This hurts me <--- Harbinger I get that and I too would want to see another Mass Effect game, but if they need to take a break and really think about what they are doing with the series, that's perfectly fine with me. Because it's a bit ironic that you should mention Far Cry 5 here. First of all, the next ME would also be Mass Effect 5 (though I guess FC would technically already be the 7th( ? ) iteration, not sure). Second (and more importantly) isn't one of the biggest criticisms (serious criticism, not hate) that ME:A has faced that, with all the open world filler content, pointless fetch quests and tedious mining BS, it goes more and more in the direction of boring open world games that Ubisoft is so famous for these days. It's not there yet IMO, ME:A has a lot more to offer than just those boring parts but they are going there and if they want to give the series a break to hopefully do some rethinking and re-designing to stop that trend, than I am all for it. BTW: Totally agree on the Deus Ex mess, but that is a bit different. IMO, Mankind Devided was a great game, it just really desperately needs a sequel that concludes the story (which according to rumors was cut by Square Enix's intervention mostly to provide a cliffhanger that would force people to buy the sequel). Then, after screwing Eidos Montreal over with their intervention in how to make and market the game (pre-order screw-up, fiarly pointless MP, SP in-game shop, the story cut, etc.), Square gets a contract with Marvel and BAM, Eidos Montreal gets reassigned to develop Marvel games. That's really screwed up! It's a bit different with ME:A, IMO, where it might be good for them to re-think some things. I woulnd't have minded a Mankind Devided Sequel that basically does the same as MD did and just continues/concludes the story. I would however have an issue with an ME:A sequel that doesn't have some major improvements in a number of areas (as described in my linked review post).
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