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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 4:08:49 GMT
When the body and brain dissociate on the physical aspects of the body, that is called a mental disorder. Dissociative Identity Disorder, colloquially known as multiple personalities, is essentially the same thing. The difference is one is normalized and the other is treated. And there is actual research coming out that show men and women's brains are vastly different and is once again making the case against the seperation of gender and sex. The 2 are closely linked after all. A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a diagnosis by a mental health professional of a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorderA mental illness is a condition that affects a person's thinking, feeling or mood. Such conditions may affect someone's ability to relate to others and function each day. Each person will have different experiences, even people with the same diagnosis. www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditionsmental disorder any clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome characterized by distressing symptoms, significant impairment of functioning, or significantly increased risk of death, pain, or other disability. Mental disorders are assumed to result from some behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. The concept does not include deviant behavior, disturbances that are essentially conflicts between the individual and society, or expected and culturally sanctioned responses to particular events. medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mental+disorderSo in short.....No. DID is not the same thing as being trans By your own words GID is a mental illness as is drastically effects thought processes and behavior of an individual. Both GID and DID both disassociate from reality. You provided the evidence needed to debunk your claim... thanks I guess?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 4:12:02 GMT
So you completely avoid an actual answer and try to shift the goalposts. Cool. no. As i always stated says it's mental disorder is not correct and is dangerous thinking. It based on bias not fact. You still don't get it at this point.... It meets the criteria, but it not disordered? "Dangerous thinking," :lmfao: POLICE MY THOUGHTS HARDER, DADDY. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 24, 2017 4:12:03 GMT
Plus, DA2 has my favorite BioWare antagonist. Say what you will about the game, but the Arishok is probably the most fun baddie I've interacted with in either Mass Effect or Dragon Age. I love his dialogue if you earn his respect. He's also one of the few antagonists in Bioware games that I've sympathized with. I completely get why he did what he did (Kirkwall is a cesspool) and where he was coming from. Still had to stop him though. Maybe to an extent at first, but it didn't take long until the Qun showed itself for the pestilence-grade religion it really is. |
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 4:16:38 GMT
As for that question -- "So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made?" -- the difference is in the treatment, which is now aimed at enabling the person to live in the experienced gender. Really, they'd probably take GID out of the DSM altogether except that keeping it in is the only way to get insurance to play for reassignment surgery. So you completely avoid an actual answer and try to shift the goalposts. Cool. I don't see what you're getting at there. You asked what the difference was, and I said nothing but the treatment. I guess you were looking for some other sort of "actual answer," but I'm not aware that any other answer exists. What sort of answer were you looking for? |
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Post by Exile Isan on May 24, 2017 4:18:20 GMT
Maybe to an extent at first, but it didn't take long until the Qun showed itself for the pestilence-grade religion it really is. True enough, I suppose. I always felt the Chantry, or at least Mother Petrice, was the initial instigators in all that, however. Not the qunari. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 4:20:19 GMT
no. As i always stated says it's mental disorder is not correct and is dangerous thinking. It based on bias not fact. You still don't get it at this point.... It meets the criteria, but it not disordered? "Dangerous thinking," :lmfao: POLICE MY THOUGHTS HARDER, DADDY. Again, you can't hide from fact with your opinion. If you're opinion is based on incorrect information that what good is it? |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 4:20:55 GMT
So you completely avoid an actual answer and try to shift the goalposts. Cool. I don't see what you're getting at there. You asked what the difference was, and I said nothing but the treatment. I guess you were looking for some other sort of "actual answer," but I'm not aware that any other answer exists. What sort of answer were you looking for? I was looking for an actual answer as to why GID isn't considered a disorder like DID, schizophrenia, or other perception-altering conditions when GID clearly ticks many of the same boxes as the before mentioned conditions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 4:26:50 GMT
It meets the criteria, but it not disordered? "Dangerous thinking," :lmfao: POLICE MY THOUGHTS HARDER, DADDY. Again, you can't hide from fact with your opinion. If you're opinion is based on incorrect information that what good is it? Hide from what facts? You still have yet to provide anything substantive in order to prove your point. So far the crux of your rambling has been one appeal to authority after another and that authority is yourself. You expect me to take you at face value and seriously when you rely on logical fallacy? |
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 4:29:19 GMT
A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a diagnosis by a mental health professional of a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorderA mental illness is a condition that affects a person's thinking, feeling or mood. Such conditions may affect someone's ability to relate to others and function each day. Each person will have different experiences, even people with the same diagnosis. www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditionsmental disorder any clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome characterized by distressing symptoms, significant impairment of functioning, or significantly increased risk of death, pain, or other disability. Mental disorders are assumed to result from some behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. The concept does not include deviant behavior, disturbances that are essentially conflicts between the individual and society, or expected and culturally sanctioned responses to particular events. medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mental+disorderSo in short.....No. DID is not the same thing as being trans By your own words GID is a mental illness as is drastically effects thought processes and behavior of an individual. Both GID and DID both disassociate from reality. You provided the evidence needed to debunk your claim... thanks I guess? Dude, no. Gender is a matter of culture and individuality not being. Hell,what id's gender from one culture to another is so vastly different that you can't even say it a matter of matching with the sex born. Hell, men and woman in japan use different words based on the own gender. Are Americans all having gender issue if we do not? A person is not born identifying as be male of female, that is developed based on the culture they are in and different culture have different concepts of what it mean to be male and female. You can't say it a divide of the mind and body if the person always feel the way they do. If a person says they always felt female in a males body then it means they always felt female in a males body. It's not a mental change because it's the standard feeling for them. The only common thing about sex is that it define if you make sperm or eggs. Not how you identify as, that is what a person decides on there own. |
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 4:31:13 GMT
Nobody's talking about feelings. The gender expressed in the brain is a fact, just as the external genitalia and the chromosomes are facts, and just as immutable. When these facts don't all agree, we pick whichever fact is most useful to use as the governing fact. For most purposes that's brain gender, not the genitalia and certainly not the chromosomes. After all, unless someone's a potential reproductive partner you don't need to know anything about chromosomes, and unless they're a potential romantic partner you don't need to know anything about genitalia. And there's no retcon because the continuity was never established. When you review Sten's Origins conversation, it turns out that it was very carefully constructed; we are allowed to project garden-variety patriarchy onto Sten's words without learning anything much about the actual functioning of Qunari society. Note that Sten is actually quite open to the possibility of a female Warden not being a "woman." When the body and brain dissociate on the physical aspects of the body, that is called a mental disorder. Dissociative Identity Disorder, colloquially known as multiple personalities, is essentially the same thing. The difference is one is normalized and the other is treated. And there is actual research coming out that show men and women's brains are vastly different and is once again making the case against the seperation of gender and sex. The 2 are closely linked after all. *shrugs* Did I say it wasn't? Until GID is removed from the DSM, it's a mental disorder, sure. By definition, in the most literal sense of the word. That research doesn't show what you say it shows. Actually, it shows that a trans man's brain responds in some ways the way a cis man's brain does. Which is, of course, completely to be expected. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 4:31:20 GMT
Again, you can't hide from fact with your opinion. If you're opinion is based on incorrect information that what good is it? Hide from what facts? You still have yet to provide anything substantive in order to prove your point. So far the crux of your rambling has been one appeal to authority after another and that authority is yourself. You expect me to take you at face value and seriously when you rely on logical fallacy? Dude, it's been look been proven by many organization and people smarter then me that it's not a metal disorder. It's a fact. At this point it's just the bigamist and the stubborn who are calling it that . |
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 4:33:37 GMT
I don't see what you're getting at there. You asked what the difference was, and I said nothing but the treatment. I guess you were looking for some other sort of "actual answer," but I'm not aware that any other answer exists. What sort of answer were you looking for? I was looking for an actual answer as to why GID isn't considered a disorder like DID, schizophrenia, or other perception-altering conditions when GID clearly ticks many of the same boxes as the before mentioned conditions. I never said it wasn't a disorder. (You may be confusing posters here.) Mental disorders are whatever mental health professionals say they are. Although I'm just talking about GID. Do all transgender people count as having GID? dreman999, have you got anything there? |
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These types of conversations tend to go south real quick.....  . Both sides in all honesty needs to respect each other views on the issue of agendas vs the LGBT community/Trans etc. I came in on the Mass Effect series with ME2 which was a great game. I think if Bioware wants to include all forms sexuality in their games that's ok, but it shouldn't feel forced and feel like as if they are checking off the list. I saw a bit of that Hanely (spel) clip before they removed it and it was cringe worthy material. It screamed "hey guys we have a transgender in our game too!..." .....  ....You can include romance options for both sides of the spectrum as long as it makes sense and doesn't feel artificial. To be fair i thought the other games handled all of these options well. If you are gay, there are options and if you are straight there are options. There was only one small part in the game that felt a bit weird for me since i'm a straight dude (male Ryder) and that was when i received an invitation from Reyes and when i traveled back to Kadara and we was sitting on a bench or something (i forget) but the conversation was leaning towards a sexual one. I picked options that was not sexual in nature, but the overall narrative of that particular scene felt like it was driven for Ryder to engage in a sexual attraction to Reyes. Idk...for me it felt a wee bit forced. Needless to say that Andromeda in general has writing issues all over the place just in terms of the story alone. But eh, my whole point i think is that both sides just need to respect each other. I have seen scenarios where people may not agree with the gay lifestyle and folks automatically condemn them to being bigots and that is not right either. It is possible to not agree with a particular lifestyle without being a bigot about it. And straight folks need not to condemn gay folks for their lifestyle (not saying anybody here is doing either of those things).... |
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 24, 2017 4:37:58 GMT
... and I thought this thread was pointless at the start. We're done here.  |
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. Both sides in all honesty needs to respect each other views on the issue of agendas vs the LGBT community/Trans etc. I came in on the Mass Effect series with ME2 which was a great game. I think if Bioware wants to include all forms sexuality in their games that's ok, but it shouldn't feel forced and feel like as if they are checking off the list.
....You can include romance options for both sides of the spectrum as long as it makes sense and doesn't feel artificial.
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