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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:41:28 GMT
Yeah, well, the world is larger than the USA. And every other western nation has abolished the classification as mental illness. I'm not even sure if the USA is still clinging to it. Sure, but now we move on to attempting to make pedophilia just another accepted "sexuality." When does the normalization of deviant behaviors end? It's almost like psychology isn't driven by logic or science. dude. No it's not and let's end it at that. It's been long taken off. If you want to argue about it more pm me.but still it's not a mental illness. And should not be an issue for anyone. It actually is still there under "gender dysphoria." Good to know I should be killed over an opinion that I hold and force on no one. Bundle of joy this one is. it a bad opinion if means it can create laws and policies that can destroy other people's lives. Thinking like that start genocides and hate crimes. Also, you clearly need to understand the construction of consent and age of consent before making a claim like that.people said the same thing with the argument agents gay marrage.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:43:17 GMT
Well, if they pulled a dialogue out, why are we even wasting time on it? It was not great. They agreed and cut it. Done. ???
Biologically, Asari are females, but they are capable of extracting the DNA from both male and females of other species it seems, and their sexy appearance is a result of chemical pheromone ability to appear desirable to the object of their affectins. So, it stands to reason if an Asari really wants to harvest the material from a female of other species, should not they be able to modify their appearance to look androgenous? They seem to place little value on female-female breeding between Asari themselves, so if they consider males of other species attractive, would not some of them be interested in experimenting with a different standard of beauty? That's if they control how they appear to other species. If the pheromone cloud makes another species representative to see what they find desirable, should not a straight human female see an attractive Asari more male-like than female-like? Or as they really are? The change between a male and female human is more subtle than, say, human to Salarian or Turian. I mean we don't really know what an Asari sees when she looks in the mirror....
1. When an asari looks at a mirror they see an asari. 2. Asari can pull trates from the father but not pick and choose those traits. 3.asari are not shape changers. What you see is what you get. It's pheromones that help make them attractive. I don't believe this is correct, because I remember the dialogue that stated they looked like Turians to the Turians. My understanding is they do not shapechange, but rather impact the subject to the point of seeing their features as something that resembles their own species. Given how sensual Asari are, imo it's not improbable for them to have a character that looks more like a human male. Maybe even adjust the appearance a little if PC requests it (shrug) would make a more interesting Asari romance for me personally with some fresher lore development. I know peeps are easily offended, but if we absolutely have to have a bi Asari every time, I'd want novelty.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:45:27 GMT
Sure, but now we move on to attempting to make pedophilia just another accepted "sexuality." When does the normalization of deviant behaviors end? It's almost like psychology isn't driven by logic or science. It actual Oh, wow, now you got me. I only heard that "argument" for lack of a better word about a million times before. Comes right from the 1.01 manual of .... well, I don't spell it out for you. Are you quite capable to distinguish between having agency over ones own body and committing a crime? Yes, I very well am. My point is that the normalization of what should be considered a mental illness leads to other illnesses being rationalized as normal and healthy, even paraphilias with disastrous consequence on others. If the mental illness descriptor is not to your liking that is fine, but it is no way hateful or bigoted. It is an apt description of an abnormality in the human psyche.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
1. When an asari looks at a mirror they see an asari. 2. Asari can pull trates from the father but not pick and choose those traits. 3.asari are not shape changers. What you see is what you get. It's pheromones that help make them attractive. I don't believe this is correct, because I remember the dialogue that stated they looked like Turians to the Turians. My understanding is they do not shapechange, but rather impact the subject to the point of seeing their features as something that resembles their own species. Given how sensual Asari are, imo it's not improbable for them to have a character that looks more like a human male. Maybe even adjust the appearance a little if PC requests it (shrug) would make a more interesting Asari romance for me personally with some fresher lore development. I know peeps are easily offended, but if we absolutely have to have a bi Asari every timeI, I'd want novelty. Dude.what? No. The entire thing was about perspective and what each race sees attraction in asari not that asari look like something else. It'seems still pheromones that causes the attraction.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 20:49:03 GMT
If the mental illness descriptor is not to your liking that is fine, but it is no way hateful or bigoted. It is an apt description of an abnormality in the human psyche. The world moves on, as does science. The WHO did away with the definition, as did most of the developed states. It's even a right in Iran, which still is hunting gay people, but not transgender people. To talk about definitions in this case is on the same lines as propagating lobotomy as a useful kind of treatment. I guess noone does that today.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:49:27 GMT
Sure, but now we move on to attempting to make pedophilia just another accepted "sexuality." When does the normalization of deviant behaviors end? It's almost like psychology isn't driven by logic or science. It actually is still there under "gender dysphoria." Good to know I should be killed over an opinion that I hold and force on no one. Bundle of joy this one is. it a bad opinion if means it can create laws and policies that can destroy other people's lives. Thinking like that start genocides and hate crimes. Also, you clearly need to understand the construction of consent and age of consent before making a claim like that.people said the same thing with the argument agents gay marrage. I have no desire to create laws against whatever the minority group of the day is. I have no desire to police anybodies lives but if my opinion spits in the face of the mainstream I'm not afraid to make it known. If I recall, you were the one who told me to go die in a hole if the first place. The reason I make the pedo argument is because it is already a reality. Sick people cling to these social justice movements in order to normalize their own disgusting behavior. To say the 2 have nothing to do with each other is disingenuous.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:50:10 GMT
Oh, wow, now you got me. I only heard that "argument" for lack of a better word about a million times before. Comes right from the 1.01 manual of .... well, I don't spell it out for you. Are you quite capable to distinguish between having agency over ones own body and committing a crime? Yes, I very well am. My point is that the normalization of what should be considered a mental illness leads to other illnesses being rationalized as normal and healthy, even paraphilias with disastrous consequence on others. If the mental illness descriptor is not to your liking that is fine, but it is no way hateful or bigoted. It is an apt description of an abnormality in the human psyche. No. Dude. Stop. Before going on that is a bs argument. It totally baseless and lead to horrible crimes done to innocent people by elitist bigots who believe they can control the lives of other. Argument is badly thought out. Stop using it.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:50:25 GMT
I don't believe this is correct, because I remember the dialogue that stated they looked like Turians to the Turians. My understanding is they do not shapechange, but rather impact the subject to the point of seeing their features as something that resembles their own species. Given how sensual Asari are, imo it's not improbable for them to have a character that looks more like a human male. Maybe even adjust the appearance a little if PC requests it (shrug) would make a more interesting Asari romance for me personally with some fresher lore development. I know peeps are easily offended, but if we absolutely have to have a bi Asari every timeI, I'd want novelty. Dude.what? No. The entire thing was about perspective and what each race sees attraction in asari not that asari look like something else. It'seems still pheromones that causes the attraction. I believe there is a conversation on Omega about it. Asari only look like blue human females with squid-tentacles instead of braids to humans. They look like blue Turians with Squid tentacles to Turinas. Otherwise, their way too human look is improbable to justify. Unlike SW verse, the species in ME verse do not share common origins.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:51:33 GMT
If the mental illness descriptor is not to your liking that is fine, but it is no way hateful or bigoted. It is an apt description of an abnormality in the human psyche. The world moves on, as does science. The WHO did away with the definition, as did most of the developed states. It's even a right in Iran, which still is hunting gay people, but not transgender people. To talk about definitions in this case is on the same lines as propagating lobotomy as a useful kind of treatment. I guess noone does that today. You are surely able to understand that the definition of a mental abnormality is not the same as a barbaric medical procedure right? False equivalency.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:53:15 GMT
Yes, I very well am. My point is that the normalization of what should be considered a mental illness leads to other illnesses being rationalized as normal and healthy, even paraphilias with disastrous consequence on others. If the mental illness descriptor is not to your liking that is fine, but it is no way hateful or bigoted. It is an apt description of an abnormality in the human psyche. No. Dude. Stop. Before going on that is a bs argument. It totally baseless and lead to horrible crimes done to innocent people by elitist bigots who believe they can control the lives of other. Argument is badly thought out. Stop using it. 1. It's "played out" is the phrase you are looking for. 2. Medical terminology doesn't cause any of that shit. The equivalency is false.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:54:47 GMT
it a bad opinion if means it can create laws and policies that can destroy other people's lives. Thinking like that start genocides and hate crimes. Also, you clearly need to understand the construction of consent and age of consent before making a claim like that.people said the same thing with the argument agents gay marrage. I have no desire to create laws against whatever the minority group of the day is. I have no desire to police anybodies lives but if my opinion spits in the face of the mainstream I'm not afraid to make it known. If I recall, you were the one who told me to go die in a hole if the first place. The reason I make the pedo argument is because it is already a reality. Sick people cling to these social justice movements in order to normalize their own disgusting behavior. To say the 2 have nothing to do with each other is disingenuous. but other people do and use that exact line of thinking. Heck they was a time people in office thought it was a good Idea to sterilize people for their own good based on intelligence and class. Sorry but your argument is baseless. Understand this. Unless it hurts other people,people should do as they want.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:56:31 GMT
I have no desire to create laws against whatever the minority group of the day is. I have no desire to police anybodies lives but if my opinion spits in the face of the mainstream I'm not afraid to make it known. If I recall, you were the one who told me to go die in a hole if the first place. The reason I make the pedo argument is because it is already a reality. Sick people cling to these social justice movements in order to normalize their own disgusting behavior. To say the 2 have nothing to do with each other is disingenuous. but other people do and use that exact line of thinking. Heck they was a time people in office thought it was a good Idea to sterilize people for their own good based on intelligence and class. Sorry but your argument is baseless. Understand this. Unless it hurts other people,people should do as they want. Conflating and individual with other assholes is another fallacy. I never said people can't do as they please, just don't expect me to fawn over them for doing so.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:57:54 GMT
No. Dude. Stop. Before going on that is a bs argument. It totally baseless and lead to horrible crimes done to innocent people by elitist bigots who believe they can control the lives of other. Argument is badly thought out. Stop using it. 1. It's "played out" is the phrase you are looking for. 2. Medical terminology doesn't cause any of that shit. The equivalency is false. Yes it does. People uses it agent homosexuality for years. People were kill, even force into mental hospitalstate agent their will and had there lived destroy over this. Look up all the issue on gay convertion thrapy and you seey point.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:59:15 GMT
The world moves on, as does science. The WHO did away with the definition, as did most of the developed states. It's even a right in Iran, which still is hunting gay people, but not transgender people. To talk about definitions in this case is on the same lines as propagating lobotomy as a useful kind of treatment. I guess noone does that today. You are surely able to understand that the definition of a mental abnormality is not the same as a barbaric medical procedure right? False equivalency. it's still a negative term that can be used to ruin people's live.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:00:18 GMT
but other people do and use that exact line of thinking. Heck they was a time people in office thought it was a good Idea to sterilize people for their own good based on intelligence and class. Sorry but your argument is baseless. Understand this. Unless it hurts other people,people should do as they want. Conflating and individual with other assholes is another fallacy. I never said people can't do as they please, just don't expect me to fawn over them for doing so. and that thinking is also part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:00:54 GMT
1. It's "played out" is the phrase you are looking for. 2. Medical terminology doesn't cause any of that shit. The equivalency is false. Yes it does. People uses it agent homosexuality for years. People were kill, even force into mental hospitalstate agent their will and had there lived destroy over this. Look up all the issue on gay convertion thrapy and you seey point. Again, conflation me with other assholes who held evil views and did bad shit. Again, peeps can do as they like, just don't expect me to fawn all over them for it.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 21:00:55 GMT
As I said, from past experience, these types of arguments never go anywhere on non-related forums.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 21:01:26 GMT
I never said people can't do as they please, just don't expect me to fawn over them for doing so. You're free to hold your prejudices, just as everybody else is. Just don't expect a game company to pander to them. There's always the option of not buying. Which, as Bioware was at it for a very long time, and given the shitstorm over SJW and everything, seems as it didn't come entirely unexpected.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:01:43 GMT
Conflating and individual with other assholes is another fallacy. I never said people can't do as they please, just don't expect me to fawn over them for doing so. and that thinking is also part of the problem. How very Orwellian of you. SCEPSIS HAS COMMITTED WRONGTHINK AND MUST BE PURGED!
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:03:54 GMT
Yes it does. People uses it agent homosexuality for years. People were kill, even force into mental hospitalstate agent their will and had there lived destroy over this. Look up all the issue on gay convertion thrapy and you seey point. Again, conflation me with other assholes who held evil views and did bad shit. Again, peeps can do as they like, just don't expect me to fawn all over them for it. sorry but you can't just discard liability because you don't do these bad thing. It like saying your not at fault if you leave a gun out and a child finds it.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:05:57 GMT
and that thinking is also part of the problem. How very Orwellian of you. SCEPSIS HAS COMMITTED WRONGTHINK AND MUST BE PURGED! wow, you missed the point and suddenly your the victem?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:06:49 GMT
I never said people can't do as they please, just don't expect me to fawn over them for doing so. You're free to hold your prejudices, just as everybody else is. Just don't expect a game company to pander to them. There's always the option of not buying. Which, as Bioware was at it for a very long time, and given the shitstorm over SJW and everything, seems as it didn't come entirely unexpected. But we can expect a games company to pander to .3% of the population in spite of the target demographic whilst the quality of the games suffers as a direct consequence? Not sure how medical terminology is a prejudice, but ok. The shitstorm has only just begun. People are tired of the agenda pushing, tired of the "Straight white 'cis' males are literally Hitler," and tired of being told that they aren't allowed to hold an opinion. If that comes as a surprise to you, then you haven't been paying attention.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 21:10:37 GMT
But we can expect a games company to pander to .3% of the population in spite of the target demographic whilst the quality of the games suffers as a direct consequence? 3 percent? Many, if not most of us, not even being part of the LGBT community, have no problems with this issues of yours. If anything we have a problem with them being badly executed and written, but not with their existence.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:10:40 GMT
Again, conflation me with other assholes who held evil views and did bad shit. Again, peeps can do as they like, just don't expect me to fawn all over them for it. sorry but you can't just discard liability because you don't do these bad thing. It like saying your not at fault if you leave a gun out and a child finds it. I keep my guns safe and secure, thank you very much! How very Orwellian of you. SCEPSIS HAS COMMITTED WRONGTHINK AND MUST BE PURGED! wow, you missed the point and suddenly your the victem? Pointing out thought policing makes me the victim? Okay... To be honest dude, its obvious that you come from the group responsibility school of thought whilst I cam from the personal responsibility mentality. Basically that means I prolly won't allow you to enforce the sins of past people on me, ya dig?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:11:28 GMT
I never said people can't do as they please, just don't expect me to fawn over them for doing so. You're free to hold your prejudices, just as everybody else is. Just don't expect a game company to pander to them. There's always the option of not buying. Which, as Bioware was at it for a very long time, and given the shitstorm over SJW and everything, seems as it didn't come entirely unexpected. And, I must say, that their willingness to see interesting possibilities where others see obstacles and walk their own route is what attracts the players. I for one, am happy they do exactly what they do, and I want to point out that I am particularly impressed that they did pull out a dialogue to rework it, and for the past two months had been addressing multiple issues tirelessly.
That, I think warrants lots, and lots, and lots of props to the company instead of scorn spread out over the Internetia.
I really do think BioWARE is incredible.
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