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Aren't seahorses cute as hell? Look at this proud papa. #lifeiscomplex #sexissweird #enjoyit
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 23:28:29 GMT
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Hahahaha, that's cute. Nah, just don't wanna get banned lol.
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 0:39:23 GMT
I haven't played DA:I but friends who have have told me that Krem is an okay character, but Raging Bull's reaction to said character breaks some quanari lore, which is not okay, not even for social justice brownie points, and therein lies the problem. Actually, there's no problem. Your friends are just wrong about the lore. The Qun does insist on strict gender roles, but since Krem's a man, he fits in fine.
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Post by Estaq99 on May 24, 2017 0:42:51 GMT
I was in disbelief as I played DA2 that the game was apparently hated upon, and my shielding up against the terrifying ME3 endings went unused. I'd much rather experience that very special love for something the masses just could not appreciate the way, I, the discerning connoisseur do, than the disappointment I felt about Trespasser when my opinion radically diverged from the masses who loved it. For me it feels worse to be in the minority that dislikes something, than in the minority that loved something. In a lot of ways, DA2 for me is easily the most consistently entertaining DA game. I agree. DA2 with all its rushed production, was an instant love for me and I replayed more even more than DAO.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 24, 2017 0:50:23 GMT
In a lot of ways, DA2 for me is easily the most consistently entertaining DA game. I agree. DA2 with all its rushed production, was an instant love for me and I replayed more even more than DAO. Plus, DA2 has my favorite BioWare antagonist. Say what you will about the game, but the Arishok is probably the most fun baddie I've interacted with in either Mass Effect or Dragon Age. I love his dialogue if you earn his respect.
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 0:54:29 GMT
some one need to learn the history and politics to how these sexual and gender preferences where labeled mental issues in the first place and who made those lables. Aaannnddd there it is, finally. The big kicker in the Saul Alinsky playbook. The "Your are literally Hitler" ad hominem. My sides have reached escape velocity. no you were not. You don't know the history of these so called lables of mental illness are and who and why they were. And people keep pointing out the issue and yet you play the same card. Again. blah blah blah u iz nazi. Okay I get it. it's hard for them to do that for someone who thinks their preferences are a mental illness. I have OCD and take no offense when someones tells me that I have a mental illness, because that is fact. Why would that offend me? It isn't derogative in any way, but an apt description of my condition. I'm also not thin-skinned or easily offended, but I digress. So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made? Drama much? I don't even got to the Hitler bullshit, but it's certainly not about the "sins of the father". You being your own person and communicating your own views is entirely sufficient. All I get is "me, the victim". And a healthy dose of self pity, since nobody seems to agree with you. Okay? Are we getting the the regressive left's favorite tactic of Hitler false equivalencies? nothing in this game was about having the player praise people for being transgender. The issue here is that you think it's a mental illness. It pretty obvious in presentation that BioWare demands the player be sympathetic. Forcing a viewpoint on the player... definitely a far cry from the choices the ME is renound for... You can let Drack throw a man to his death, but God forbids you from being able to tell Hanely to can it. Try a different phase of words or do some freaking research before you post something. Given that BioWare has a long and proud history of putting LGBT characters in their games for a LONG time why are you surprised that there is gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender characters in their games. I mean Krem was a popular transgender NPC character in DA:I. Or you can try stop acting like an entitled gamer idiot. < that is a joke BTW. I haven't played DA:I but friends who have have told me that Krem is an okay character, but Raging Bull's reaction to said character breaks some quanari lore, which is not okay, not even for social justice brownie points, and therein lies the problem. *facepalm Are you just this stubborn or that thick? You don't know or understand the history of your point of view. And when someone tells you about it ...suddenly you think your being called Hitler? Jesus, what is up with you? You are like kid plugging in their ear when they don't want hear anyone's point. Are you that immature? Everything you just said about Transgenders is from people who came up with it to justify the rulings and laws they made to take away their rights and freedoms. It's been used agent everypart of the LGBT cummunity. It's political bs to justify bad laws. What is it not to get?
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Post by R'Shara on May 24, 2017 1:10:53 GMT
I haven't played DA:I but friends who have have told me that Krem is an okay character, but Raging Bull's reaction to said character breaks some quanari lore, which is not okay, not even for social justice brownie points, and therein lies the problem. Actually, there's no problem. Your friends are just wrong about the lore. The Qun does insist on strict gender roles, but since Krem's a man, he fits in fine. I was sad that no one noticed when I mentioned that the Qun are probably based on the society in The Giver in that thread.
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Post by themikefest on May 24, 2017 1:38:35 GMT
Plus, DA2 has my favorite BioWare antagonist. Say what you will about the game, but the Arishok is probably the most fun baddie I've interacted with in either Mass Effect or Dragon Age. I love his dialogue if you earn his respect. Hawke and Arishok probably have the most entertaining fight
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 2:14:57 GMT
I haven't played DA:I but friends who have have told me that Krem is an okay character, but Raging Bull's reaction to said character breaks some quanari lore, which is not okay, not even for social justice brownie points, and therein lies the problem. Actually, there's no problem. Your friends are just wrong about the lore. The Qun does insist on strict gender roles, but since Krem's a man, he fits in fine. Well, no. Krem is a man, biologically, physically, and genetically. One does not simply feel like a man. Feeling are irrelevant to facts. That would definitely screw with the lore. This is basically a retcon in order to gain PC brownie points. Aaannnddd there it is, finally. The big kicker in the Saul Alinsky playbook. The "Your are literally Hitler" ad hominem. My sides have reached escape velocity. Again. blah blah blah u iz nazi. Okay I get it. I have OCD and take no offense when someones tells me that I have a mental illness, because that is fact. Why would that offend me? It isn't derogative in any way, but an apt description of my condition. I'm also not thin-skinned or easily offended, but I digress. So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made?Okay? Are we getting the the regressive left's favorite tactic of Hitler false equivalencies? It pretty obvious in presentation that BioWare demands the player be sympathetic. Forcing a viewpoint on the player... definitely a far cry from the choices the ME is renound for... You can let Drack throw a man to his death, but God forbids you from being able to tell Hanely to can it. I haven't played DA:I but friends who have have told me that Krem is an okay character, but Raging Bull's reaction to said character breaks some quanari lore, which is not okay, not even for social justice brownie points, and therein lies the problem. *facepalm Are you just this stubborn or that thick? You don't know or understand the history of your point of view. And when someone tells you about it ...suddenly you think your being called Hitler? Jesus, what is up with you? You are like kid plugging in their ear when they don't want hear anyone's point. Are you that immature? Everything you just said about Transgenders is from people who came up with it to justify the rulings and laws they made to take away their rights and freedoms. It's been used agent everypart of the LGBT cummunity. It's political bs to justify bad laws. What is it not to get? Hits me with an array of ad hominem attacks whilst still insisting that words cause all sorts horrific things to happen. Sticks and stones, bro. Equating scepticism with supremacist groups is fallacy of association. Islam is often associated with terrorism, but does that make all muslims terrorists? No, of course not! Such a statement would be fallacious. You mention laws, so provide examples. The burden of proof is on you. Sorry, but I'm not going to throw basic biology out the window in order to validate a tiny subset of people's feelings. Nor do I care what names you want to call me if that offends you. Facts do not care about feelings.Also, I bolded the key question. Answer it, if you even can.
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Post by CHRrOME on May 24, 2017 2:15:49 GMT
Hu-huh...
It's another of these threads...
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 3:17:25 GMT
Actually, there's no problem. Your friends are just wrong about the lore. The Qun does insist on strict gender roles, but since Krem's a man, he fits in fine. Well, no. Krem is a man, biologically, physically, and genetically. One does not simply feel like a man. Feeling are irrelevant to facts. That would definitely screw with the lore. You meant to say "Krem is a woman" above, right?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:32:15 GMT
Well, no. Krem is a man, biologically, physically, and genetically. One does not simply feel like a man. Feeling are irrelevant to facts. That would definitely screw with the lore. You meant to say "Krem is a woman" above, right? If suddenly biology no longer applies then sure, and if we are going down the manhole of feelings, then I identify as a trans-racial-sudo-demiboy-celestial-body-inhabiting-the-organic-form-of-a-tapeworm-with-2 headmates-godlike-being. You can learn more at my Tumblr blog and educate yourself. Check you privilege, sir.
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 3:33:37 GMT
Actually, there's no problem. Your friends are just wrong about the lore. The Qun does insist on strict gender roles, but since Krem's a man, he fits in fine. Well, no. Krem is a man, biologically, physically, and genetically. One does not simply feel like a man. Feeling are irrelevant to facts. That would definitely screw with the lore. This is basically a retcon in order to gain PC brownie points. *facepalm Are you just this stubborn or that thick? You don't know or understand the history of your point of view. And when someone tells you about it ...suddenly you think your being called Hitler? Jesus, what is up with you? You are like kid plugging in their ear when they don't want hear anyone's point. Are you that immature? Everything you just said about Transgenders is from people who came up with it to justify the rulings and laws they made to take away their rights and freedoms. It's been used agent everypart of the LGBT cummunity. It's political bs to justify bad laws. What is it not to get? Hits me with an array of ad hominem attacks whilst still insisting that words cause all sorts horrific things to happen. Sticks and stones, bro. Equating scepticism with supremacist groups is fallacy of association. Islam is often associated with terrorism, but does that make all muslims terrorists? No, of course not! Such a statement would be fallacious. You mention laws, so provide examples. The burden of proof is on you. Sorry, but I'm not going to throw basic biology out the window in order to validate a tiny subset of people's feelings. Nor do I care what names you want to call me if that offends you. Facts do not care about feelings.Also, I bolded the key question. Answer it, if you even can. The issue is that it more then words. Hiding behind it's just my opinion deffer the fact that the source of the opinion is faulty. Using info as fact without validating it is ignorance, continuing to use the same info after being proven false is just idiocy. You can't hide from true with statements of "it's my opinion". Next you'll tell me you're a flat earther.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:37:06 GMT
Well, no. Krem is a man, biologically, physically, and genetically. One does not simply feel like a man. Feeling are irrelevant to facts. That would definitely screw with the lore. This is basically a retcon in order to gain PC brownie points. Hits me with an array of ad hominem attacks whilst still insisting that words cause all sorts horrific things to happen. Sticks and stones, bro. Equating scepticism with supremacist groups is fallacy of association. Islam is often associated with terrorism, but does that make all muslims terrorists? No, of course not! Such a statement would be fallacious. You mention laws, so provide examples. The burden of proof is on you. Sorry, but I'm not going to throw basic biology out the window in order to validate a tiny subset of people's feelings. Nor do I care what names you want to call me if that offends you. Facts do not care about feelings.Also, I bolded the key question. Answer it, if you even can. The issue is that it more then words. Hiding behind it's just my opinion deffer the fact that the source of the opinion is faulty. Using info as fact without validating it is ignorance, continuing to use the same info after being proven false is just idiocy. You can't hide from true with statements of "it's my opinion". Next you'll tell me you're a flat earther. Aaannndddd completely avoids the serious bolded question as predicted.
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 3:42:54 GMT
You meant to say "Krem is a woman" above, right? If suddenly biology no longer applies then sure, and if we are going down the manhole of feelings, then I identify as a trans-racial-sudo-demiboy-celestial-body-inhabiting-the-organic-form-of-a-tapeworm-with-2 headmates-godlike-being. You can learn more at my Tumblr blog and educate yourself. Check you privilege, sir. Nobody's talking about feelings. The gender expressed in the brain is a fact, just as the external genitalia and the chromosomes are facts, and just as immutable. When these facts don't all agree, we pick whichever fact is most useful to use as the governing fact. For most purposes that's brain gender, not the genitalia and certainly not the chromosomes. After all, unless someone's a potential reproductive partner you don't need to know anything about chromosomes, and unless they're a potential romantic partner you don't need to know anything about genitalia. And there's no retcon because the continuity was never established. When you review Sten's Origins conversation, it turns out that it was very carefully constructed; we are allowed to project garden-variety patriarchy onto Sten's words without learning anything much about the actual functioning of Qunari society. Note that Sten is actually quite open to the possibility of a female Warden not being a "woman." I've said before that we should drop the "identify as" language. It seems to confuse people. Krem didn't choose to be male any more than I did.
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Post by alanc9 on May 24, 2017 3:52:33 GMT
As for that question -- "So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made?" -- the difference is in the treatment, which is now aimed at enabling the person to live in the experienced gender.
Really, they'd probably take GID out of the DSM altogether except that keeping it in is the only way to get insurance to pay for reassignment surgery.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:52:54 GMT
If suddenly biology no longer applies then sure, and if we are going down the manhole of feelings, then I identify as a trans-racial-sudo-demiboy-celestial-body-inhabiting-the-organic-form-of-a-tapeworm-with-2 headmates-godlike-being. You can learn more at my Tumblr blog and educate yourself. Check you privilege, sir. Nobody's talking about feelings. The gender expressed in the brain is a fact, just as the external genitalia and the chromosomes are facts, and just as immutable. When these facts don't all agree, we pick whichever fact is most useful to use as the governing fact. For most purposes that's brain gender, not the genitalia and certainly not the chromosomes. After all, unless someone's a potential reproductive partner you don't need to know anything about chromosomes, and unless they're a potential romantic partner you don't need to know anything about genitalia. And there's no retcon because the continuity was never established. When you review Sten's Origins conversation, it turns out that it was very carefully constructed; we are allowed to project garden-variety patriarchy onto Sten's words without learning anything much about the actual functioning of Qunari society. Note that Sten is actually quite open to the possibility of a female Warden not being a "woman." When the body and brain dissociate on the physical aspects of the body, that is called a mental disorder. Dissociative Identity Disorder, colloquially known as multiple personalities, is essentially the same thing. The difference is one is normalized and the other is treated. And there is actual research coming out that show men and women's brains are vastly different and is once again making the case against the seperation of gender and sex. The 2 are closely linked after all.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 3:55:34 GMT
As for that question -- "So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made?" -- the difference is in the treatment, which is now aimed at enabling the person to live in the experienced gender. Really, they'd probably take GID out of the DSM altogether except that keeping it in is the only way to get insurance to play for reassignment surgery. So you completely avoid an actual answer and try to shift the goalposts. Cool.
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 4:00:37 GMT
Nobody's talking about feelings. The gender expressed in the brain is a fact, just as the external genitalia and the chromosomes are facts, and just as immutable. When these facts don't all agree, we pick whichever fact is most useful to use as the governing fact. For most purposes that's brain gender, not the genitalia and certainly not the chromosomes. After all, unless someone's a potential reproductive partner you don't need to know anything about chromosomes, and unless they're a potential romantic partner you don't need to know anything about genitalia. And there's no retcon because the continuity was never established. When you review Sten's Origins conversation, it turns out that it was very carefully constructed; we are allowed to project garden-variety patriarchy onto Sten's words without learning anything much about the actual functioning of Qunari society. Note that Sten is actually quite open to the possibility of a female Warden not being a "woman." When the body and brain dissociate on the physical aspects of the body, that is called a mental disorder. Dissociative Identity Disorder, colloquially known as multiple personalities, is essentially the same thing. The difference is one is normalized and the other is treated. And there is actual research coming out that show men and women's brains are vastly different and is once again making the case against the seperation of gender and sex. The 2 are closely linked after all. A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a diagnosis by a mental health professional of a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorderA mental illness is a condition that affects a person's thinking, feeling or mood. Such conditions may affect someone's ability to relate to others and function each day. Each person will have different experiences, even people with the same diagnosis. www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditionsmental disorder any clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome characterized by distressing symptoms, significant impairment of functioning, or significantly increased risk of death, pain, or other disability. Mental disorders are assumed to result from some behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. The concept does not include deviant behavior, disturbances that are essentially conflicts between the individual and society, or expected and culturally sanctioned responses to particular events. medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mental+disorderSo in short.....No. DID is not the same thing as being trans
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Post by dreman999 on May 24, 2017 4:02:34 GMT
As for that question -- "So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made?" -- the difference is in the treatment, which is now aimed at enabling the person to live in the experienced gender. Really, they'd probably take GID out of the DSM altogether except that keeping it in is the only way to get insurance to play for reassignment surgery. So you completely avoid an actual answer and try to shift the goalposts. Cool. no. As i always stated says it's mental disorder is not correct and is dangerous thinking. It based on bias not fact. You still don't get it at this point....
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Plus, DA2 has my favorite BioWare antagonist. Say what you will about the game, but the Arishok is probably the most fun baddie I've interacted with in either Mass Effect or Dragon Age. I love his dialogue if you earn his respect. He's also one of the few antagonists in Bioware games that I've sympathized with. I completely get why he did what he did (Kirkwall is a cesspool) and where he was coming from. Still had to stop him though.
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