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Post by mmoblitz on May 23, 2017 20:14:14 GMT
I remember when ME3 came out, and FemShep turned out to look kinda like a chubby cheeked cherub than a badass. Wow, disappointment. Mass Effect's face scan/CC has always had issues. But seriously, 2 tiny little things in a pretty big game, and it's all SJW ARE RUINING ANDROMEDA. Sigh. I'm one of the people who think Andromeda at launch was a buggy mess, but that sort of criticism is just stupid. (The criticism I mentioned, not your points. I actually agree that the pronoun thing was dumb, I'm just not sure it was SJW or just Bioware's usual bad handling of certain issues.) I agree that the overarching "ESSJAYDOUBLEYOUS ARE RUINING BIOWARE!!!1" is hella played out, but the examples I listed are obvious attempts at pandering to the cult of political correctness no matter how hard they may fall on their faces nor how easy they are to completely ignore. ME:A is obviously not a "KILL ALL STRAIGHT WHITE 'CIS' MEN" SJW cringefest, but people are worried that BioWare is headed in that direction, and not without reason. These 2 instances certainly pulled me out of the immersion and made my eyes roll outta my skull, but then it was done and over with and I was back, deep into the game. It doen't detract from the game for me except for a few seconds. This kind of thing is just annoying though, imo. And it has been around with any Bioware game. I nearly choked on my coffee when I read someone constructing a socialist agenda because of collecting meat for refugees in DAI. You know, these epitomes of red blooded males (my unfair assumptions, of course) would be better off playing some straight shooter that doesn't have any story to speak off besides some random Rambo-killing-machine-theme. ^That is pretty Alex Jones level conspiracy shit, but the example I pointed out in ME:A is blatant pandering to the cult of political correctness. It's so obvious that it pulled me out of my immersion and made me physically cringe externally. Lots of the SJW complaints are bogus, but these 2 are most certainly not. It's been that way in the entire DA and ME series to an extent, but in the last two releases it's been far more apparent. |
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Post by Necrotya on May 23, 2017 20:15:07 GMT
Was editing my post, but i doesn't matter. You have the right to be pissed at ppl that hate no matter what and even before the game was released. I don't like those to. BUT, not every1 is like that. I'm talking about ppl who were pissed cause the game was unpolished and full of crap when it was released. They have the right to be pissed to, just as much as you do and I say that I can understand them. So I don't think generalizing is ok in this case. The fact is game was in beta on release day and I can understand ppl that were pissed cause of it. |
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 20:15:34 GMT
if you think that then stop saying bw is trying to force diversity down your throat. Not calling it "propagating mental illness" would be good starting point. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:16:13 GMT
The topic itself is already outside the game, if you call some of the game's aspects "propagating mental illness". I'm not entirely sure what that meant or what it was related to, but I have a pretty good idea. That's not something to dwell on at a game's board. That's something for other places to discuss. if someone said that about people who did change genders...I would want them to crawl in a hole and die. Transgenderism is a mental illness according to the DSM. but sure, anyone who disagrees with solving mental illness by mutilating one's body is a shitlord and deserves to die.  So by going by psychiatry I'm a bigot, but by wishing death upon a person you are somehow righteous? The logical inconstancy is mental gymnastics levels of twisted.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:17:58 GMT
I agree that the overarching "ESSJAYDOUBLEYOUS ARE RUINING BIOWARE!!!1" is hella played out, but the examples I listed are obvious attempts at pandering to the cult of political correctness no matter how hard they may fall on their faces nor how easy they are to completely ignore. ME:A is obviously not a "KILL ALL STRAIGHT WHITE 'CIS' MEN" SJW cringefest, but people are worried that BioWare is headed in that direction, and not without reason. These 2 instances certainly pulled me out of the immersion and made my eyes roll outta my skull, but then it was done and over with and I was back, deep into the game. It doen't detract from the game for me except for a few seconds. This kind of thing is just annoying though, imo. ^That is pretty Alex Jones level conspiracy shit, but the example I pointed out in ME:A is blatant pandering to the cult of political correctness. It's so obvious that it pulled me out of my immersion and made me physically cringe externally. Lots of the SJW complaints are bogus, but these 2 are most certainly not. It's been that way in the entire DA and ME series to an extent, but in the last two releases it's been far more apparent. Yes it has. Which is why it is disconcerting.  |
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 20:18:33 GMT
Actually, it was removed years ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:21:38 GMT
They (BioWare) pulled Hanely's dialogue out of the game in the first patch. If that isn't proof that it was shite writing, then I don't know what is. Not sure how "gender fluidity" has anything to do with the asari given the fact that they are all biologically female and have no real concept of maleness in their culture nor do would they have any concept of other sexes within their own experiences, but ok. :wtf: Those two instances are pretty damn PC and cringy, not gonna lie, but besides those 2 I agree that the rest of the SJW complaints are baseless, as I already stated earlier. People keep overlooking what I said tho......  I finished the game before the first patch came out so yes, I got the dialogue, and yes, if is every bit as forced and cringy as I have stated. BioWare pulled it it was so bad, I mean come on.  I would certainly keep the discussion within the confines of the board's topic. I'm not some unreasonable nutjob neocon, but simply someone sick of politics taking precedence over quality.  if you think that then stop saying bw is trying to force diversity down your throat. Stop saying what exactly, that I'm tired of the bullshit? Yeah... how 'bout no? |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:23:00 GMT
Actually, it was removed years ago. No... still there, just under a different name, and considering Psychology seems to be based on what is PC at the time and feelings, I'm not surprised that it was changed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:23:13 GMT
You are too certain that the characters are forced. The settings were created long ago, and the game shows fidelity to them. They made a conscious choice to construct a universe that does not resemble the current one.
The two unqualified character on the team are Ryder him/herself which is a player's choice how to play them, and Liam. If your argument is that Liam got his position due to him being black over more qualified white or Asian candidates, well, I guess it's an interesting take on it. Ideally you should be able to dismiss him (or any other character you do not trust).
Gil has a terrible romantic scene (so does straight Liam) but professionally he always performs, so his designation as a ship engineer was not due to trying to "pander". I would view such a claim substantial if he was given a more advantageous, central and interesting role. Save for his dastardly romantic scene on Eos, his character fits the second tier, with some interesting touches char (i.e. his insomniac poetry). I claim stupidity before conspiracy in both Liam's and Gil's cases.
I have not run into the famous transgender encounter, but what I would have loved to see is an andorgenous asair to use the gender fluidity within the lore bounds, since Asari appearance is within their control.
The setting is BioWARE's choice. I for one enjoy it and its possibilities, and openness to more gameplay options/player choices as well in practical terms.
They (BioWare) pulled Hanely's dialogue out of the game in the first patch. If that isn't proof that it was shite writing, then I don't know what is. Not sure how "gender fluidity" has anything to do with the asari given the fact that they are all biologically female and have no real concept of maleness in their culture nor do would they have any concept of other sexes within their own experiences, but ok. :wtf: Well, if they pulled a dialogue out, why are we even wasting time on it? It was not great. They agreed and cut it. Done. ???
Biologically, Asari are females, but they are capable of extracting the DNA from both male and females of other species it seems, and their sexy appearance is a result of chemical pheromone ability to appear desirable to the object of their affectins. So, it stands to reason if an Asari really wants to harvest the material from a female of other species, should not they be able to modify their appearance to look androgenous? They seem to place little value on female-female breeding between Asari themselves, so if they consider males of other species attractive, would not some of them be interested in experimenting with a different standard of beauty? That's if they control how they appear to other species. If the pheromone cloud makes another species representative to see what they find desirable, should not a straight human female see an attractive Asari more male-like than female-like? Or as they really are? The change between a male and female human is more subtle than, say, human to Salarian or Turian. I mean we don't really know what an Asari sees when she looks in the mirror....
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:23:22 GMT
Was editing my post, but i doesn't matter. You have the right to be pissed at ppl that hate no matter what and even before the game was released. I don't like those to. BUT, not every1 is like that. I'm talking about ppl who were pissed cause the game was unpolished and full of crap when it was released. They have the right to be pissed to, just as much as you do and I say that I can understand them. So I don't think generalizing is ok in this case. The fact is game was in beta on release day and I can understand ppl that were pissed cause of it. I agree. People have the right to be pissed on how unpolished mea was.but that's more of an Ea problem. I doubt anyone at bw wanted to release the game like this and judging by how quick the fixes were they may of been working those missing elements before the game came out. Heck every ME game was rushed a bit in the end. But you have a right to be angry, nothing I can say will ease that. Just be angry the thing that are wrong with the game. |
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 20:24:01 GMT
Transgenderism is a mental illness according to the DSM. but sure, anyone who disagrees with solving mental illness by mutilating one's body is a shitlord and deserves to die. Yeah, well, the world is larger than the USA. And every other western nation has abolished the classification as mental illness. I'm not even sure if the USA is still clinging to it. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:26:29 GMT
if someone said that about people who did change genders...I would want them to crawl in a hole and die. Transgenderism is a mental illness according to the DSM. but sure, anyone who disagrees with solving mental illness by mutilating one's body is a shitlord and deserves to die. So by going by psychiatry I'm a bigot, but by wishing death upon a person you are somehow righteous? The logical inconstancy is mental gymnastics levels of twisted. dude. No it's not and let's end it at that. It's been long taken off. If you want to argue about it more pm me.but still it's not a mental illness. And should not be an issue for anyone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:29:34 GMT
They (BioWare) pulled Hanely's dialogue out of the game in the first patch. If that isn't proof that it was shite writing, then I don't know what is. Not sure how "gender fluidity" has anything to do with the asari given the fact that they are all biologically female and have no real concept of maleness in their culture nor do would they have any concept of other sexes within their own experiences, but ok. :wtf: Well, if they pulled a dialogue out, why are we even wasting time on it? It was not great. They agreed and cut it. Done. ???
Biologically, Asari are females, but they are capable of extracting the DNA from both male and females of other species it seems, and their sexy appearance is a result of chemical pheromone ability to appear desirable to the object of their affectins. So, it stands to reason if an Asari really wants to harvest the material from a female of other species, should not they be able to modify their appearance to look androgenous? They seem to place little value on female-female breeding between Asari themselves, so if they consider males of other species attractive, would not some of them be interested in experimenting with a different standard of beauty? That's if they control how they appear to other species. If the pheromone cloud makes another species representative to see what they find desirable, should not a straight human female see an attractive Asari more male-like than female-like? Or as they really are?
Apparently BW is redoing it, and if it is at least a bit less of a cringe factory, then hey, good on them. I won't have an issue if it flows well. I think it would be a neat concept to explore differing levels of femininity in asari, sure. I see nothing wrong with that. (Doubt it will happen due to budget and time constraints.) I was of the impression that you wanted asari to suddenly be men given the general disposition I am meeting in the opposition. |
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 20:31:42 GMT
I think it would be a neat concept to explore differing levels of femininity in asari, sure. I see nothing wrong with that. (Doubt it will happen due to budget and time constraints.) I was of the impression that you wanted asari to suddenly be men given the general disposition I am meeting in the opposition. They're not women in the first place. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:31:55 GMT
They (BioWare) pulled Hanely's dialogue out of the game in the first patch. If that isn't proof that it was shite writing, then I don't know what is. Not sure how "gender fluidity" has anything to do with the asari given the fact that they are all biologically female and have no real concept of maleness in their culture nor do would they have any concept of other sexes within their own experiences, but ok. :wtf: Well, if they pulled a dialogue out, why are we even wasting time on it? It was not great. They agreed and cut it. Done. ???
Biologically, Asari are females, but they are capable of extracting the DNA from both male and females of other species it seems, and their sexy appearance is a result of chemical pheromone ability to appear desirable to the object of their affectins. So, it stands to reason if an Asari really wants to harvest the material from a female of other species, should not they be able to modify their appearance to look androgenous? They seem to place little value on female-female breeding between Asari themselves, so if they consider males of other species attractive, would not some of them be interested in experimenting with a different standard of beauty? That's if they control how they appear to other species. If the pheromone cloud makes another species representative to see what they find desirable, should not a straight human female see an attractive Asari more male-like than female-like? Or as they really are? The change between a male and female human is more subtle than, say, human to Salarian or Turian. I mean we don't really know what an Asari sees when she looks in the mirror....
1. When an asari looks at a mirror they see an asari. 2. Asari can pull trates from the father but not pick and choose those traits. 3.asari are not shape changers. What you see is what you get. It's pheromones that help make them attractive. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:32:45 GMT
I think it would be a neat concept to explore differing levels of femininity in asari, sure. I see nothing wrong with that. (Doubt it will happen due to budget and time constraints.) I was of the impression that you wanted asari to suddenly be men given the general disposition I am meeting in the opposition. They're not women in the first place. they are female. It just defined by them differently. |
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 20:34:27 GMT
they are female. It just defined by them differently. Yeah, but not women. Not in the human sense of the word. They can be father or mother. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:36:46 GMT
Transgenderism is a mental illness according to the DSM. but sure, anyone who disagrees with solving mental illness by mutilating one's body is a shitlord and deserves to die. Yeah, well, the world is larger than the USA. And every other western nation has abolished the classification as mental illness. I'm not even sure if the USA is still clinging to it. Sure, but now we move on to attempting to make pedophilia just another accepted "sexuality." When does the normalization of deviant behaviors end? It's almost like psychology isn't driven by logic or science.  Transgenderism is a mental illness according to the DSM. but sure, anyone who disagrees with solving mental illness by mutilating one's body is a shitlord and deserves to die. So by going by psychiatry I'm a bigot, but by wishing death upon a person you are somehow righteous? The logical inconstancy is mental gymnastics levels of twisted. dude. No it's not and let's end it at that. It's been long taken off. If you want to argue about it more pm me.but still it's not a mental illness. And should not be an issue for anyone. It actually is still there under "gender dysphoria." Good to know I should be killed over an opinion that I hold and force on no one. Bundle of joy this one is.  |
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Post by mmoblitz on May 23, 2017 20:37:07 GMT
I would be nice if the asari had some diversity in terms of looks. Attack of the clones is an understatement.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 20:38:01 GMT
Slippery slope fallacy! Ding ding ding! I was waiting for that one.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:38:48 GMT
Slippery slope fallacy! Ding ding ding! I was waiting for that one. It is already happening though. Want the NYT article? |
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 20:39:18 GMT
they are female. It just defined by them differently. Yeah, but not women. Not in the human sense of the word. They can be father or mother. no they are women, it just defined differently. Consents of men and woman and what they mean are pointless with a race with one gender. Mother and father titles don't even have the same meaning. But they ate still female in the genetic sense. |
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 20:40:52 GMT
Sure, but now we move on to attempting to make pedophilia just another accepted "sexuality." When does the normalization of deviant behaviors end? It's almost like psychology isn't driven by logic or science. It actual Oh, wow, now you got me. I only heard that "argument" for lack of a better word about a million times before. Comes right from the 1.01 manual of .... well, I don't spell it out for you. Are you quite capable to distinguish between having agency over ones own body and committing a crime? |
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