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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:15:59 GMT
But we can expect a games company to pander to .3% of the population in spite of the target demographic whilst the quality of the games suffers as a direct consequence? 3 percent? Many, if not most of us, not even being part of the LGBT community, have no problems with this issues of yours. If anything we have a problem with them being badly executed and written, but not with their existence. Putting words in my mouth. Again. Never did I state that I have a problem with the mere existence of people with mental abnormalities. That would be a bit inconsistent as I am one of those people. My problem is forced diversity, not because it adds to the game, but because some Tumblrtard with multicolored hair and a massive chip on their shoulder demanded it. My examples detracted from the game for me. Therefore, I will voice my concerns. All I ask is that you refrain from attempt to place me in a box that you can easily dismantle as there is far more nuance than HURR DURR BIGOT TRANSPHOBE.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 21:18:35 GMT
Putting words in my mouth. Again. Never did I state that I have a problem with the mere existence of people with mental abnormalities.See, I don't put words in your mouth. Apart from you responding to something entirely different than what I actually said when I was quoting you on the 3 percent. So one could call that no response at all, but a mere statement.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:18:59 GMT
You're free to hold your prejudices, just as everybody else is. Just don't expect a game company to pander to them. There's always the option of not buying. Which, as Bioware was at it for a very long time, and given the shitstorm over SJW and everything, seems as it didn't come entirely unexpected. And, I must say, that their willingness to see interesting possibilities where others see obstacles and walk their own route is what attracts the players. I for one, am happy they do exactly what they do, and I want to point out that I am particularly impressed that they did pull out a dialogue to rework it, and for the past two months had been addressing multiple issues tirelessly.
That, I think warrants lots, and lots, and lots of props to the company instead of scorn spread out over the Internetia.
I really do think BioWARE is incredible.
Like I said, if they patch it up so it turns from Tumblr fanfiction to a conversation that actual people would have, then there is no beef from me, but if people expect me to give Hanely praise for being trans, then they will be sorely disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:21:02 GMT
Putting words in my mouth. Again. Never did I state that I have a problem with the mere existence of people with mental abnormalities.See, I don't put words in your mouth. Apart from you responding to something entirely different than what I actually said when I was quoting you on the 3 percent. So one could call that no response at all, but a mere statement. You are indeed putting words in my mouth as I am not perturbed by the existence of trans people as you are painting me but I ain't gonna praise them for being trans either and if pandering to certain demographics has a negative impact on a piece of media I consume then I will make it know, accusations of bigotry be damned.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 21:22:28 GMT
Like I said, if they patch it up so it turns from Tumblr fanfiction to a conversation that actual people would have, then there is no beef from me, but if people expect me to give Hanely praise for being trans, then they will be sorely disappointed. Hanley's all you got, isn't it? A side character of side characters. One of the NPCs that could moonlight as telegraph poles as much as they move and add to the game. You don't have to like her. Actually, I don't like her either. But for entirely different reasons.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 21:24:53 GMT
You are indeed putting words in my mouth as I am not perturbed by the existence of trans people as you are painting me but I ain't gonna praise them for being trans either and if pandering to certain demographics has a negative impact on a piece of media I consume then I will make it know, accusations of bigotry be damned. See, we are already moving from "mental abnormalty" to trans people. I don't expect praise, just not demanding that a game company panders to what you think they should do.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:26:43 GMT
Like I said, if they patch it up so it turns from Tumblr fanfiction to a conversation that actual people would have, then there is no beef from me, but if people expect me to give Hanely praise for being trans, then they will be sorely disappointed. Hanley's all you got, isn't it? A side character of side characters. One of the NPCs that could moonlight as telegraph poles as much as they move and add to the game. You don't have to like her. Actually, I don't like her either. But for entirely different reasons. That and the pronoun bullshit. Shall I call you zer? Hey, believe whatever you want about me. Apparently telling you how I think id completely ignored anyway, but I'm not gonna be silenced by choirs screaming bigot. I would have zero issues with this kind of shit if people like me weren't placed with sins of the father, but it is hard to have any form of sympathy for The LGBT group of people when they think you are "literally Hitler."
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:28:15 GMT
You are indeed putting words in my mouth as I am not perturbed by the existence of trans people as you are painting me but I ain't gonna praise them for being trans either and if pandering to certain demographics has a negative impact on a piece of media I consume then I will make it know, accusations of bigotry be damned. See, we are already moving from "mental abnormalty" to trans people. I don't expect praise, just not demanding that a game company panders to what you think they should do. As in trying to thoughtcoach me? Brilliant. Trans? Mental disorder? Ladyboy? All the same shit to me.Sure Next up the IGN defense, calling a gamer "entitled." As someone who pays for the product, I expect certain things out of it. Don't like it? Oh well.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:35:27 GMT
You're free to hold your prejudices, just as everybody else is. Just don't expect a game company to pander to them. There's always the option of not buying. Which, as Bioware was at it for a very long time, and given the shitstorm over SJW and everything, seems as it didn't come entirely unexpected. But we can expect a games company to pander to .3% of the population in spite of the target demographic whilst the quality of the games suffers as a direct consequence? Not sure how medical terminology is a prejudice, but ok. The shitstorm has only just begun. People are tired of the agenda pushing, tired of the "Straight white 'cis' males are literally Hitler," and tired of being told that they aren't allowed to hold an opinion. If that comes as a surprise to you, then you haven't been paying attention. some one need to learn the history and politics to how these sexual and gender preferences where labeled mental issues in the first place and who made those lables.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:38:09 GMT
sorry but you can't just discard liability because you don't do these bad thing. It like saying your not at fault if you leave a gun out and a child finds it. I keep my guns safe and secure, thank you very much! wow, you missed the point and suddenly your the victem? Pointing out thought policing makes me the victim? Okay... To be honest dude, its obvious that you come from the group responsibility school of thought whilst I cam from the personal responsibility mentality. Basically that means I prolly won't allow you to enforce the sins of past people on me, ya dig? no you were not. You don't know the history of these so called lables of mental illness are and who and why they were. And people keep pointing out the issue and yet you play the same card.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:40:17 GMT
Hanley's all you got, isn't it? A side character of side characters. One of the NPCs that could moonlight as telegraph poles as much as they move and add to the game. You don't have to like her. Actually, I don't like her either. But for entirely different reasons. That and the pronoun bullshit. Shall I call you zer? Hey, believe whatever you want about me. Apparently telling you how I think id completely ignored anyway, but I'm not gonna be silenced by choirs screaming bigot. I would have zero issues with this kind of shit if people like me weren't placed with sins of the father, but it is hard to have any form of sympathy for The LGBT group of people when they think you are "literally Hitler." it's hard for them to do that for someone who thinks their preferences are a mental illness.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 21:42:17 GMT
I would have zero issues with this kind of shit if people like me weren't placed with sins of the father, but it is hard to have any form of sympathy for The LGBT group of people when they think you are "literally Hitler." Drama much? I don't even got to the Hitler bullshit, but it's certainly not about the "sins of the father". You being your own person and communicating your own views is entirely sufficient. All I get is "me, the victim". And a healthy dose of self pity, since nobody seems to agree with you.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 21:42:54 GMT
See, I don't put words in your mouth. Apart from you responding to something entirely different than what I actually said when I was quoting you on the 3 percent. So one could call that no response at all, but a mere statement. You are indeed putting words in my mouth as I am not perturbed by the existence of trans people as you are painting me but I ain't gonna praise them for being trans either and if pandering to certain demographics has a negative impact on a piece of media I consume then I will make it know, accusations of bigotry be damned. nothing in this game was about having the player praise people for being transgender. The issue here is that you think it's a mental illness.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 23, 2017 21:46:06 GMT
See, we are already moving from "mental abnormalty" to trans people. I don't expect praise, just not demanding that a game company panders to what you think they should do. As in trying to thoughtcoach me? Brilliant. Trans? Mental disorder? Ladyboy? All the same shit to me.Sure Next up the IGN defense, calling a gamer "entitled." As someone who pays for the product, I expect certain things out of it. Don't like it? Oh well. Try a different phase of words or do some freaking research before you post something. Given that BioWare has a long and proud history of putting LGBT characters in their games for a LONG time why are you surprised that there is gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender characters in their games. I mean Krem was a popular transgender NPC character in DA:I. Or you can try stop acting like an entitled gamer idiot. < that is a joke BTW.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:53:10 GMT
Well, this is an entertaining thread.
If you have a problem with the policies of a game developer, it's perfectly within your right to not buy their fucking game.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:15:04 GMT
But we can expect a games company to pander to .3% of the population in spite of the target demographic whilst the quality of the games suffers as a direct consequence? Not sure how medical terminology is a prejudice, but ok. The shitstorm has only just begun. People are tired of the agenda pushing, tired of the "Straight white 'cis' males are literally Hitler," and tired of being told that they aren't allowed to hold an opinion. If that comes as a surprise to you, then you haven't been paying attention. some one need to learn the history and politics to how these sexual and gender preferences where labeled mental issues in the first place and who made those lables. Aaannnddd there it is, finally. The big kicker in the Saul Alinsky playbook. The "Your are literally Hitler" ad hominem. My sides have reached escape velocity. I keep my guns safe and secure, thank you very much! Pointing out thought policing makes me the victim? Okay... To be honest dude, its obvious that you come from the group responsibility school of thought whilst I cam from the personal responsibility mentality. Basically that means I prolly won't allow you to enforce the sins of past people on me, ya dig? no you were not. You don't know the history of these so called lables of mental illness are and who and why they were. And people keep pointing out the issue and yet you play the same card. Again. blah blah blah u iz nazi. Okay I get it. That and the pronoun bullshit. Shall I call you zer? Hey, believe whatever you want about me. Apparently telling you how I think id completely ignored anyway, but I'm not gonna be silenced by choirs screaming bigot. I would have zero issues with this kind of shit if people like me weren't placed with sins of the father, but it is hard to have any form of sympathy for The LGBT group of people when they think you are "literally Hitler." it's hard for them to do that for someone who thinks their preferences are a mental illness. I have OCD and take no offense when someones tells me that I have a mental illness, because that is fact. Why would that offend me? It isn't derogative in any way, but an apt description of my condition. I'm also not thin-skinned or easily offended, but I digress. So what exactly separates gender identity disorder from say schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder? How is that distinction made? Why is the distinction made? I would have zero issues with this kind of shit if people like me weren't placed with sins of the father, but it is hard to have any form of sympathy for The LGBT group of people when they think you are "literally Hitler." Drama much? I don't even got to the Hitler bullshit, but it's certainly not about the "sins of the father". You being your own person and communicating your own views is entirely sufficient. All I get is "me, the victim". And a healthy dose of self pity, since nobody seems to agree with you. Okay? Are we getting the the regressive left's favorite tactic of Hitler false equivalencies? You are indeed putting words in my mouth as I am not perturbed by the existence of trans people as you are painting me but I ain't gonna praise them for being trans either and if pandering to certain demographics has a negative impact on a piece of media I consume then I will make it know, accusations of bigotry be damned. nothing in this game was about having the player praise people for being transgender. The issue here is that you think it's a mental illness. It pretty obvious in presentation that BioWare demands the player be sympathetic. Forcing a viewpoint on the player... definitely a far cry from the choices the ME is renound for... You can let Drack throw a man to his death, but God forbids you from being able to tell Hanely to can it. As in trying to thoughtcoach me? Brilliant. Trans? Mental disorder? Ladyboy? All the same shit to me.Sure Next up the IGN defense, calling a gamer "entitled." As someone who pays for the product, I expect certain things out of it. Don't like it? Oh well. Try a different phase of words or do some freaking research before you post something. Given that BioWare has a long and proud history of putting LGBT characters in their games for a LONG time why are you surprised that there is gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender characters in their games. I mean Krem was a popular transgender NPC character in DA:I. Or you can try stop acting like an entitled gamer idiot. < that is a joke BTW. I haven't played DA:I but friends who have have told me that Krem is an okay character, but Raging Bull's reaction to said character breaks some quanari lore, which is not okay, not even for social justice brownie points, and therein lies the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
Well, this is an entertaining thread. If you have a problem with the policies of a game developer, it's perfectly within your right to not buy their fucking game. And what? Miss out on an overall amazing game with the exception of 2 cringetastic moments? Nah, but maybe I'll ask BioWare and EA to kindly put my eyeballs back in my head after they rolled right out of their sockets and onto the floor whilst enduring said cringe. :lmfao:
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Post by zaeedisking on May 23, 2017 22:26:39 GMT
I'm enjoying the hell out of this. Better to have dialogue with people you don't agree with than to just tell them they're stupid and walk away.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:29:35 GMT
I'm enjoying the hell out of this. Better to have dialogue with people you don't agree with than to just tell them they're stupid and walk away. Agreed.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 22:37:08 GMT
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Post by Furisco on May 23, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
The OP is just as sad as those haters.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:46:59 GMT
I don't believe this is correct, because I remember the dialogue that stated they looked like Turians to the Turians. My understanding is they do not shapechange, but rather impact the subject to the point of seeing their features as something that resembles their own species. The bachelor party in ME2 was a beer googles joke. If you actually listen to the conversation, you might note that the dancer's features they are discussing are exactly what we see.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 23:00:59 GMT
I have not run into the famous transgender encounter, but what I would have loved to see is an andorgenous asair to use the gender fluidity within the lore bounds, since Asari appearance is within their control. It's strange that they do not do that because it would increase their capture pool of genetic donors. That's... not how it works with the asari. The kett lift genetic material. All of the genetic material asari use for procreation comes from the mother. The mother supplies both sets of genetic material and somehow randomizes the sequence of one set of that data via melding with a partner - otherwise the resulting child would be a clone. They don't actually need a partner to do that, either. Apparently, they can achieve the same goal with some form of radiation.
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