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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 16:46:21 GMT
I said ".. till nexus" to emphasize that these were my initial thoughts. I also know the game was worse before 1.07. Its the extra missinformation that i dislike. Also the title expresses some anger-managemnet issue i don'thave , "punching" is just a matter of speech. Well, MOSTLY. What extra missinformation? The animations have been improved upon twice. You haven't hit the majority of the dialogue yet. The gameplay has always been one of the better points of the game. The anti-SJW bs was always bs, as usual.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 17:22:49 GMT
To be fair, there are 2 major SJW moments I experienced. 1. The needless diversity quota met with the needlessly forced implementation of a "trans" character. Checking the boxes, eh BioWare? 2. An asari and an angara discussing pronouns, specifically the asari claiming that some members of her species goes by male pronouns, which is and obvious attempt to force a politically correct agenda with no backing in established lore. Yay. The ugly women complaint is bogus because BioWare is just straight-up shit at creating attractive human faces in general and all of the women in ME:A have very attractive bodies. Cora's and Sara's asses amiright? The other SJW complaints can be boiled down to cherry picking or explained by the lore within ME:A. That does not mean that there are no forced SJW/PC moments however, as there obviously are. I'm sure the type of opinion I'm espousing here will be much hated and reviled, so all I can say is...
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 17:29:25 GMT
I remember when ME3 came out, and FemShep turned out to look kinda like a chubby cheeked cherub than a badass. Wow, disappointment. Mass Effect's face scan/CC has always had issues.
But seriously, 2 tiny little things in a pretty big game, and it's all SJW ARE RUINING ANDROMEDA. Sigh. I'm one of the people who think Andromeda at launch was a buggy mess, but that sort of criticism is just stupid. (The criticism I mentioned, not your points. I actually agree that the pronoun thing was dumb, I'm just not sure it was SJW or just Bioware's usual bad handling of certain issues.)
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Post by LogicGunn on May 23, 2017 17:36:10 GMT
I played through the whole game. And I still love it Sometimes I feel I am the only one... It´s just the sheer amount of hate it´s getting doesn´t seem to be warranted. Keep playing, OP so I am not the only one who likes it :hearteyes: I like it too! Waiting patiently for DLC.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 17:59:56 GMT
The anti-SJW bs was always bs, as usual. And it has been around with any Bioware game. I nearly choked on my coffee when I read someone constructing a socialist agenda because of collecting meat for refugees in DAI. You know, these epitomes of red blooded males (my unfair assumptions, of course) would be better off playing some straight shooter that doesn't have any story to speak off besides some random Rambo-killing-machine-theme.
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Post by sdzald on May 23, 2017 18:45:29 GMT
So you are hating on the haters? ummm ok.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 18:54:01 GMT
I remember when ME3 came out, and FemShep turned out to look kinda like a chubby cheeked cherub than a badass. Wow, disappointment. Mass Effect's face scan/CC has always had issues. But seriously, 2 tiny little things in a pretty big game, and it's all SJW ARE RUINING ANDROMEDA. Sigh. I'm one of the people who think Andromeda at launch was a buggy mess, but that sort of criticism is just stupid. (The criticism I mentioned, not your points. I actually agree that the pronoun thing was dumb, I'm just not sure it was SJW or just Bioware's usual bad handling of certain issues.) I agree that the overarching "ESSJAYDOUBLEYOUS ARE RUINING BIOWARE!!!1" is hella played out, but the examples I listed are obvious attempts at pandering to the cult of political correctness no matter how hard they may fall on their faces nor how easy they are to completely ignore. ME:A is obviously not a "KILL ALL STRAIGHT WHITE 'CIS' MEN" SJW cringefest, but people are worried that BioWare is headed in that direction, and not without reason. These 2 instances certainly pulled me out of the immersion and made my eyes roll outta my skull, but then it was done and over with and I was back, deep into the game. It doen't detract from the game for me except for a few seconds. This kind of thing is just annoying though, imo. The anti-SJW bs was always bs, as usual. And it has been around with any Bioware game. I nearly choked on my coffee when I read someone constructing a socialist agenda because of collecting meat for refugees in DAI. You know, these epitomes of red blooded males (my unfair assumptions, of course) would be better off playing some straight shooter that doesn't have any story to speak off besides some random Rambo-killing-machine-theme. ^That is pretty Alex Jones level conspiracy shit, but the example I pointed out in ME:A is blatant pandering to the cult of political correctness. It's so obvious that it pulled me out of my immersion and made me physically cringe externally. Lots of the SJW complaints are bogus, but these 2 are most certainly not.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 19:00:20 GMT
:oki:
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Post by Element Zero on May 23, 2017 19:00:36 GMT
Dude this isn't a Mass Effect game , I've played and completed countless hours of all ME titles. ME 1,2 & 3 ARE Mass Effect games , they stay true to the charm and character of the game , the soundtrack sounds great and had that sci-fi feel to it. Granted the VA sucks for Maleshep ( but I always played Femshep) I could go on but you get the idea ... ;-) Dude, it most assuredly is. Not only is it plastered on the cover, menus, etc... it was instantly recognizable as such, based upon my extensive time with the OT. I have over 70 full PTs of ME, over 40 of ME2, and over 30 of ME3. I'm better versed than most, if you're citing "time spent". You didn't like the new approach. That's unfortunate. Many of us did. I vehemently disagree. I really don't know what some people are seeing. It's like they are playing a different game or looking through rose colored glasses. At worst the animations are pretty much comparable to other Bioware games, little stiff and lifeless, at best it's better than any of them. And compared to other big RPGs, which there are not many of, it holds up and in some cases bests them. So i don't get the big hoopla, like at all. People took some blunders (which have been patched out for the most part by now) and blow it way out of proportion. As for the game itself, i'm enjoying it. Classic Bioware, some charm, some cheese. If you ask people who played both games I'm pretty sure that the majority would say that Inquisition had better animations. I played both games extensively and I find the facial animations of DA:I considerably better. Of course, there is some other games out there that do a way better job at this than Bioware ever did. In general, animations in DAI are terrible. People should specify facial animations when they complain about MEA. (You do so in your post.) At launch, MEA's facial animations weren't as good as DAI's. Now, they're on level. MEA has the advantage of more lifelike faces, and better color and lighting, due to facial scanning, UHD and HDR. The general animations in MEA are good. Ryder moves in a very lifelike fashion, reacting realistically to even small terrain changes, etc... Meanwhile, DAI's characters move like little plastic toys sliding across the landscape.
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Post by sdzald on May 23, 2017 19:03:40 GMT
I am kind of surprised this thread hasn't been locked. I mean its one thing to point out things you do/don't like in a game and to argue with others about it but it is another thing entirely when you threaten violence. Ahhh well I guess its ok if in support of MEA
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:04:25 GMT
R'Shara Great retort, very enlightening. :lmfao:
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 19:05:16 GMT
^That is pretty Alex Jones level conspiracy shit, but the example I pointed out in ME:A is blatant pandering to the cult of political correctness. It's so obvious that it pulled me out of my immersion and made me physically cringe externally. Lots of the SJW complaints are bogus, but these 2 are most certainly not. Political correctness as in what? Showing diversity, as they did in all of their games? Why is politcal correctness something bad to begin with? To call it a cult? Would you rather they pandered racism, anti LGBT sentiments, misogyny? It's ridiculous to find anything about their way of telling and populating their stories as something other than a mirror of a society where people are accepted for what they are. Regardless of race or sexual orientation. Regardless of political affiliations also, since everyone needs to work together at a certain point. That's not a SJW agenda or the cult of PC, unless you want to attach that label to Star Trek also.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 19:06:03 GMT
From experience, we're not going to agree on whether it was stupid SJW influence or just heavy handedness and bad writing. So what else am I supposed to say?
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 19:10:47 GMT
From experience, we're not going to agree on whether it was stupid SJW influence or just heavy handedness and bad writing. So what else am I supposed to say? Oh, there's a lot of heavy handedness in this game. Gil being a prime example of how to create an utterly boring cardboard by ticking off a checklist. I did the direct comparison to Dorian in another thread and Gil came up empty in the competition. But bad writing and what these people make of it are two different pairs of shoes.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 19:13:03 GMT
From experience, we're not going to agree on whether it was stupid SJW influence or just heavy handedness and bad writing. So what else am I supposed to say? Oh, there's a lot of heavy handedness in this game. Gil being a prime example of how to create an utterly boring cardboard by ticking off a checklist. I did the direct comparison to Dorian in another thread and Gil came up empty in the competition. But bad writing and what these people make of it are two different pairs of shoes. I was replying to Scepsis. I just forget to use the quote button a lot.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:13:09 GMT
^That is pretty Alex Jones level conspiracy shit, but the example I pointed out in ME:A is blatant pandering to the cult of political correctness. It's so obvious that it pulled me out of my immersion and made me physically cringe externally. Lots of the SJW complaints are bogus, but these 2 are most certainly not. Political correctness as in what? Showing diversity, as they did in all of their games? Why is politcal correctness something bad to begin with? To call it a cult? Would you rather they pandered racism, anti LGBT sentiments, misogyny? It's ridiculous to find anything about their way of telling and populating their stories as something other than a mirror of a society where people are accepted for what they are. Regardless of race or sexual orientation. Regardless of political affiliations also, since everyone needs to work together at a certain point. That's not a SJW agenda or the cult of PC, unless you want to attach that label to Star Trek also. Propagating mental illness and putting it up on a silver platter? Promoting the alt-fact "Gender is a spectrum" Bullshit? Ma pronouns? They won't even let you contest the garbage in-game. All the while the forced inclusivity hampers good story and creativity as creative types are forced to bend to the will of the screechers. The PC shit is so forced and cringey. This isn't about "reflecting society" and you know it. From experience, we're not going to agree on whether it was stupid SJW influence or just heavy handedness and bad writing. So what else am I supposed to say? I would say it is both, but hey, I knew what I was getting into after popping the top on this can of worms.
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Post by R'Shara on May 23, 2017 19:16:35 GMT
Yeah we're not gonna agree on any of that. So :oki:
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:17:19 GMT
Yeah we're not gonna agree on any of that. So :oki: 'Aight.
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 19:18:35 GMT
Propagating mental illness and putting it up on a silver platter? Promoting the alt-fact "Gender is a spectrum" Bullshit? Ma pronouns? They won't even let you contest the garbage in-game. All the while the forced inclusivity hampers good story and creativity as creative types are forced to bend to the will of the screechers. The PC shit is so forced and cringey. This isn't about "reflecting society" and you know it. Yeah, and that's the point I'm opting out of discussion the topic any further with you. This isn't a political board, after all. All I can say, my former recommendation still stands. Anyone who's afraid of diversity should look for games that don't hurt their tender feelings. It should be clear that Bioware doesn't take the easy road by now. Lamenting over them not playing to individual prejudices won't change their ways. As should be clear after more than a decade of Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
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Post by Necrotya on May 23, 2017 19:18:46 GMT
To OP: did you patch your game before starting? So if you play 1.07 patch you play different game that I played 2 months ago...If your game would crash, you couldn't finish quests, animations, writing, MP balance, lag + 1 ton of stuff that made ppl rage ---> you'd have different opinion. Btw, I don't "hate" the game ( have more than 100 hours in SP alone + MP etc ), but I can certanly understand ppl who are/were disappointed and/or hate the game.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 19:22:51 GMT
Played Up till Nexus for the 1st time. (insanity it took me 5 hours and i really was paying attention to the details) Was cautious and sceptical due to the constant whinning. Yet as for every bioware game i Knew the hyperbole of the average gamer. Every time the same story: Me1 gets released. It got bombed. " oh no! bad combat!, empty words! Mako sucks! dialogue is the same no matter the choice!" Me2 gets released. "oh no! combat got streamlined! bring back the Me1 combat and the open-ness, Where is Mako?, hacking is a waste of time" Me3 gets relesed. " oh no!garbage! Its call of duty now! bring back the cover strategy from Me2! No hacking? autodialogue? bring back 3 choices from me1! it got it right!" Fast forward to 2017. I was shocked to find out that: 1) Sjw BS. non existant. Lies. (P U N C H E S) 2)Bad animations. Non existant. lies. Some Mediocre (facial ones) sure but as of now with 1.07... Just No. the animation 3)Bad dialogue. i want so much to run and kick you in the nuts until the balls come out of your mouth. The dialogue is not bad at all, the opposite! In fact the banter towards teh enviroment feels dynamic and the world feels very alive! i want to see the next Dragon age implement this system. 4) Voice acting. So far no problems. At all. Ryder sounds great. Liam sounds great! Cora sounds great. Lexi sounds great. Sam sounds great. 5) Combat . i dislike the lack of pause, the no radial wheel, the 3 powers mapping only. But it feels dynamic and the powers feel powerfull. To those who say i played only the beginning . It was the right from the beginning that people ripped part anyway. ...Maybe you should play the game first, before saying that the criticisms are invalid? he did play the game first. Most issues with mea are at the start if the game. And he does have a point.every me game people did complain about something.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 19:24:28 GMT
Bastardizing the Jedi code is a new low. Just because some Krogan does something edgy doesn't make it a Mass Effect game. that's not the only edgy thing done in MEA.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 19:26:35 GMT
Propagating mental illness and putting it up on a silver platter? Promoting the alt-fact "Gender is a spectrum" Bullshit? Ma pronouns? They won't even let you contest the garbage in-game. All the while the forced inclusivity hampers good story and creativity as creative types are forced to bend to the will of the screechers. The PC shit is so forced and cringey. This isn't about "reflecting society" and you know it. Yeah, and that's the point I'm opting out of discussion the topic any further with you. This isn't a political board, after all. All I can say, my former recommendation still stands. Anyone who's afraid of diversity should look for games that don't hurt their tender feelings. It should be clear that Bioware doesn't take the easy road by now. Lamenting over them not playing to individual prejudices won't change their ways. As should be clear after more than a decade of Mass Effect and Dragon Age. So I have tender feelings and am "afraid" of diversity? (Lmfao!) Not to mention that diversity is literally the least important thing on the grand scale of what makes a good game. Meritocracy will always prevail because that is what actually matters, not identity politics, feelings, or diversity. Games will always suffer from forced kowtowing to PC idiocy instead of sticking to designing characters in a story, not making sure characters meet the snowflake checklist. But you are backing out? At least be logically consistent in how strong you are and weak I am.
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Post by dreman999 on May 23, 2017 19:28:17 GMT
To OP: did you patch your game before starting? So if you play 1.07 patch you play different game that I played 2 months ago...If your game would crash, you couldn't finish quests, animations, writing, MP balance, lag + 1 ton of stuff that made ppl rage ---> you'd have different opinion. Btw, I don't "hate" the game ( have more than 100 hours in SP alone + MP etc ), but I can certanly understand ppl who are/were disappointed and/or hate the game. that's the issue. You played the console version. Me has always been it's worst on the console version. Do you want to here stories of how buggy Me1 was or the flying vorcha's of me2?
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Post by abaris on May 23, 2017 19:35:15 GMT
But you are backing out? At least be logically consistent in how strong you are and weak I am. Feel free to contact me on the Thinking Atheist boards. Going by the same username. I'm not discussing the matter any further on here. Which doesn't mean I'm afraid of opinions like yours. It's just that I respect what this board is about and what it isn't.
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