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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 13:59:00 GMT
The aim of this game is to set a new foundation to hopefully build upon in the next games.
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Post by Obadiah on May 25, 2017 14:01:57 GMT
With respect to the original post, the open world aspect lends itself to people with a lot of time on their hands (like me), so I'm guessing it is not targeting most adults with families. This is the difference between the mission based game of ME1 (most of it), ME2 and ME3, where a mission could be competed within an hour of play. ME2 really targeting this play-style with it's "mission complete" screens.
I think they're squarely targeting the older teen and younger twenty some-thing gamers.
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Post by jclosed on May 25, 2017 14:03:16 GMT
The aim of this game is to set a new foundation to hopefully build upon in the next games. Agree.. And I can add to it that I was born in '55, so that makes that age brawling a bit irrelevant here...
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Post by Elfen Lied on May 25, 2017 14:52:52 GMT
They are definitely aiming at younger audiences, probably around the same age as the Ryder twins. So early twenties. I stopped trying to relate to the characters and their coming of age stories, so I'm just along for the ride. My poor husband keeps trying and restarting, each time trying to make his Sara look older, giving her grayer hair, but it's not working for him. He says he can't take Ryder seriously, and he can't expect anyone on her crew to take her seriously because she's just this kid who got her job handed to her by her dad. Damn, I am twice as old, and I can totally relate with them.. should I be worried?
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Post by setokaiba on May 25, 2017 14:55:26 GMT
In all seriousness though, this game is 18+ so no one under that should be playing it That is the point. A very large proportion of the people BioWare seem to be aiming this game at can't even buy the game. Financial suicide! I find it hard to believe you actually think this unless you never played an online game ever. If you have GTA 5 just get on online in that game and most of the people talking are little kids who think calling everyone the n-word or f@ggot makes them edgy and cool. Even if a game is rated 18+ most parents are going to buy that kid that game regardless of what the devs tell us about the game. They will just complain about it later even tho the parents where the idiots who brought the game in the first place. Not only that but a darker theme does not mean it is more mature. The Twilight book/movies have a dark theme but I seriously doubt anyone here would say it's has a better than MEA, Uncharted or any of the Marvel movies for example. Adults to this very day still play Super Mario and Pokemon. I bet you the people who are hyped for the Crash Remake aren't 10-16 years olds who never even heard of a Crash game but adults who grew up with the series and want to play it again with better graphics.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:57:04 GMT
Obviously the are not targeting people who only like dark stories... which the Trilogy was a dark story and had attracted a fan base that liked dark stories (and was criticized for being just that). Prior to release, they continually said that ME:A would not be a dark story like the Trilogy and would have a lighter tone... and people who wanted a dark game should have known well in advance that ME:A was not that sort of game. Obviously, they used younger characters... so were not targeting for mid-30s crowd, but trying to attract a younger fan base (i.e. in there late teens to early 20s). Again, long prior to release, they continually said that Ryder would not be the experienced N7 soldier that Shepard was. Therefore, people who wanted a character just like Shepard should have realized long in advance that ME:A principle character was not likely to be that sort of character. I don't see the oil and water reference... since, in my area of the world, many teens discuss sex in pretty explicit terms at a very young age and PG13 movies these days contain a fair amount of skin. Prior to release, many people here were going on about the 18+ rating likely being too high. Also, since when, in literature, has "containing explicit sex" arbitrarily equated to "being a sophisticated work." If you want to read a sophisticated work, pick up War and Peace... if you want explicit sex, read a Harlequin romance. It has been ever thus. I am not complaining about it being too light,l or not dark enough. What I'm saying is the content in the game was more fitting for a more serious game. That they took material we were supposed to take seriously (tens of thousands of lives in jeopardy, an ongoing genocidal war) and, in effect, trivialized it. I mean, in the first hour or so you get to watch your character's father die saving your sorry *ss! It's not like you crash through the aquarium of a sushi place! So, how seriously are we supposed to take this game? Pretty much all political cartoons take serious issues and trivialize them. Trivializing something serious is a very classic form of humor and political commentary; and occasionally taking a lighthearted look at something serious can alter perspectives that actual solutions become apparent. If you don't like that sort of thing... that's your prerogative; but it doesn't mean the game was being directed towards 12-year olds.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 25, 2017 15:00:53 GMT
That is the point. A very large proportion of the people BioWare seem to be aiming this game at can't even buy the game. Financial suicide! I find it hard to believe you actually think this unless you never played an online game ever. If you have GTA 5 just get on online in that game and most of the people talking are little kids who think calling everyone the n-word or f@ggot makes them edgy and cool. Even if a game is rated 18+ most parents are going to buy that kid that game regardless of what the devs tell us about the game. They will just complain about it later even tho the parents where the idiots who brought the game in the first place. Not only that but a darker theme does not mean it is more mature. The Twilight book/movies have a dark theme but I seriously doubt anyone here would say it's has a better than MEA, Uncharted or any of the Marvel movies for example. Adults to this very day still play Super Mario and Pokemon. I bet you the people who are hyped for the Crash Remake aren't 10-16 years olds who never even heard of a Crash game but adults who grew up with the series and want to play it again with better graphics. Oh, god... GTA Online is the worst. Where are these kids parents? I was in the same room while my boyfriend was playing, and all we could hear was this kid who couldn't be more than 11 or 12 saying f this and f that, I'm going to f your mom. My boyfriend eventually just left the race because he couldn't mute the little sh!t.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 15:01:08 GMT
With respect to the original post, the open world aspect lends itself to people with a lot of time on their hands (like me), so I'm guessing it is not targeting most adults with families. This is the difference between the mission based game of ME1 (most of it), ME2 and ME3, where a mission could be competed within an hour of play. ME2 really targeting this play-style with it's "mission complete" screens.
I think they're squarely targeting the older teen and younger twenty some-thing gamers. Actually, Andromeda being an SP game with some cool and easy to get MMO like aspects is perfectly positioned to give those of us who cannot afford the time to grind for gear, outfits and other cosmetics in MMO, or feel a bit silly socializing (or being yelled at) from across the world with/by someone of an age with your fast growing teen/preteen that does not need you 24/7 any longer some of the perks/pleasures of playing a MMO that fits into our routines and you don't fall behind the day you did not put those miserable 3 hrs per day wether you want it or not.... in addition, us, the aging gamers, may have learned not to judge, and not to expect perfection and competence from most humans, are wistful at times for our own youth, so we might even have more warm, fuzzy or maternal feelings towards the young protagonists then the edgy kids of their own age or slightly older... and the retired crowd has by far more reasons to play than the teens tbh, because among other things, health benefits those games proved are awesome. I fully expect to find a solid twitch and quest rich game to play once I retire to keep my mind active. So, honestly, imo, Andromeda works great for the tired professionals over 40, with their lives all arranged to their satisfaction, and beyond into the retirement. Teens, imo has way too much to take on in RL to sink these kind of hours in video games. Honestly, where they get the time, I dunno. I did not have leisure time really till I was well in my twenties.
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Post by auu on May 25, 2017 15:09:40 GMT
The thoughts on Citadel's tone affecting this game are interesting. As much as I could see that happening, I don't want it to be true. Citadel was so effective because it had 3 games worth of character to build off of. You'd think Bioware would have known that, and not try to force a tone like that into Andromeda.
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Post by auu on May 25, 2017 15:11:01 GMT
The writing and characters are so infantile anyone over the age of 13 would not find them acceptable but the level of language and sex in the game make it inappropriate for kids. The tone and content of this game are like oil and water. It's a fucking riot when comments get replies like this. They're stating it, of course it's their opinion. All you are doing is being redundant.
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Post by setokaiba on May 25, 2017 15:11:41 GMT
I find it hard to believe you actually think this unless you never played an online game ever. If you have GTA 5 just get on online in that game and most of the people talking are little kids who think calling everyone the n-word or f@ggot makes them edgy and cool. Even if a game is rated 18+ most parents are going to buy that kid that game regardless of what the devs tell us about the game. They will just complain about it later even tho the parents where the idiots who brought the game in the first place. Not only that but a darker theme does not mean it is more mature. The Twilight book/movies have a dark theme but I seriously doubt anyone here would say it's has a better than MEA, Uncharted or any of the Marvel movies for example. Adults to this very day still play Super Mario and Pokemon. I bet you the people who are hyped for the Crash Remake aren't 10-16 years olds who never even heard of a Crash game but adults who grew up with the series and want to play it again with better graphics. Oh, god... GTA Online is the worst. Where are these kids parents? I was in the same room while my boyfriend was playing, and all we could hear was this kid who couldn't be more than 11 or 12 saying f this and f that, I'm going to f your mom. My boyfriend eventually just left the race because he couldn't mute the little sh!t. I either just put my TV on mute or make a party chat even if it's just me in it. GTAO sessions are always full of kids who don't shut up or some idiot who play really loud music. Like if you going to be loud and annoying at least do make a chat where it's just you and your friends or take out your mic if it's just you. Like no one is trying to hear your bs when I just want to do races or get a heist going.
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Post by Iakus on May 25, 2017 15:12:29 GMT
I am not complaining about it being too light,l or not dark enough. What I'm saying is the content in the game was more fitting for a more serious game. That they took material we were supposed to take seriously (tens of thousands of lives in jeopardy, an ongoing genocidal war) and, in effect, trivialized it. I mean, in the first hour or so you get to watch your character's father die saving your sorry *ss! It's not like you crash through the aquarium of a sushi place! So, how seriously are we supposed to take this game? Pretty much all political cartoons take serious issues and trivialize them. Trivializing something serious is a very classic form of humor and occasionally taking a lighthearted look at something serious can alter perspectives that actual solutions become apparent. If you don't like that sort of thing... that's your prerogative; but it doesn't mean the game was being directed towards 12-year olds. I never liked political cartoons. They take complicated issues that require a great deal of thought and nuance and turn them into caricatures to mock anyone who thinks differently. At any rate, this still does not answer the question: How seriously are we supposed to take this game? I get having lighthearted moments: Movie Night, Suvi's reminiscing on licking rocks, and the occasional action movie one-liner ("Well scan them back!"). But how seriously are we to take the AI's predicament? Alec's death and the condition of the sibling? The danger the kett pose? Are we playing Halo or Borderlands? Star Trek: First Contact or Galaxy Quest?
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Post by correctamundo on May 25, 2017 15:14:16 GMT
It was/is aimed at me! Since I'm 50, highly educated and with a super serious job it must be aimed at middle-aged, well-to-do with University degress?
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Post by setokaiba on May 25, 2017 15:14:47 GMT
The thoughts on Citadel's tone affecting this game are interesting. It's interesting. As much as I could see that happening, I don't want it to be true. Citadel was so effective because it had 3 games wroth of character to build off of. You'd think Bioware would have known that, and not try to force a tone like that into Andromeda. Citadel (and Trespasser) might have had a influcence with how light hearted they are but I think it has more to do with Bioware trying to get away from the OT.
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Post by abaris on May 25, 2017 15:16:01 GMT
Agree.. And I can add to it that I was born in '55, so that makes that age brawling a bit irrelevant here... I was born in '63 and I can't relate. It boils down to tastes, I guess. I never was into sitcoms or slapstick, but rather into dark british humor. Certainly more subtle than this games attempts at being funny. I've learned to live with it though, carefully using the choices of what my character is about to say. That's not to say, I didn't like the Citadel DLC or the Nomad banters of MEA. Both appeal to me, since the timing and the places feel right.
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Post by sdzald on May 25, 2017 15:18:23 GMT
I thought ME3 was dark/moody in both PTs, with cool ending. Andromeda was all cool with a cool ending, and I don't think the mood is the main misgiving anyhow. It's more that the game does not subscribe to the cult of competence. Which I actually expected, because I expected Star Trek: Andromeda. But I am happy with what I got. I REALLY like this point. I hadn't looked at it that way before. I think for me that is spot on why I don't like the characters in the game. COMPETENCE, I can understand one or two, but it seems ALL the characters in the game are incompetent, especially emotionally, and that includes Ryder. They ALL seem lost. Now maybe some people don't mind playing a game that is based around a cast of sad sacks, I am not one of them.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 25, 2017 15:19:02 GMT
It's a fucking riot when comments get replies like this. They're stating it, of course it's their opinion. All you are doing is being redundant.
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Post by correctamundo on May 25, 2017 15:20:52 GMT
Pretty much all political cartoons take serious issues and trivialize them. Trivializing something serious is a very classic form of humor and occasionally taking a lighthearted look at something serious can alter perspectives that actual solutions become apparent. If you don't like that sort of thing... that's your prerogative; but it doesn't mean the game was being directed towards 12-year olds. I never liked political cartoons. They take complicated issues that require a great deal of thought and nuance and turn them into caricatures to mock anyone who thinks differently. At any rate, this still does not answer the question: How seriously are we supposed to take this game? I get having lighthearted moments: Movie Night, Suvi's reminiscing on licking rocks, and the occasional action movie one-liner ("Well scan them back!"). But how seriously are we to take the AI's predicament? Alec's death and the condition of the sibling? The danger the kett pose? Are we playing Halo or Borderlands? Star Trek: First Contact or Galaxy Quest? My Ryders are taking it super serious. Like super-duper-serious. There is no reason for them go around all doom and gloom for that. I, myself, have a life and death serious job. I have to be ready to run any second, drop everything and just save someones life. That does not mean that we punch humour out as soon as we punch ourselves in at work. Why would it?
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Post by sdzald on May 25, 2017 15:38:37 GMT
*shrug* I'm 28 and still enjoy silly slapstick humor, and like Pixar/Disney movies. I don't see why ones source of entertainment always needs to be correlated to age and maturity. I was introduced to gaming at a young age; my dad was into computer racing games (like Need for Speed) and would play them with me. That is another good point. I am 60+ and I have never liked slap stick. Even as a kid when people like Jerry Lewis and Don Knox were all the rage in comedy I didn't care for them. Are you suggesting that MEA was produced with that kind of thinking in mind? If so then that answer why I really don't like any of the characters in the game. Maybe the writing isn't really that bad, just just its not something I like. I can accept that but it sure doesn't make me want to play the game again and if the next one is the same way I won't even buy it.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 25, 2017 15:48:41 GMT
*shrug* I'm 28 and still enjoy silly slapstick humor, and like Pixar/Disney movies. I don't see why ones source of entertainment always needs to be correlated to age and maturity. I was introduced to gaming at a young age; my dad was into computer racing games (like Need for Speed) and would play them with me. That is another good point. I am 60+ and I have never liked slap stick. Even as a kid when people like Jerry Lewis and Don Knox were all the rage in comedy I didn't care for them. Are you suggesting that MEA was produced with that kind of thinking in mind? If so then that answer why I really don't like any of the characters in the game. Maybe the writing isn't really that bad, just just its not something I like. I can accept that but it sure doesn't make me want to play the game again and if the next one is the same way I won't even buy it. I always liked silly/stupid humor, even if I'm just laughing at how silly or stupid it is. Silly puns, comics, cute animals, etc. I still get enjoyment out of old Adam Sandler movies like Happy Gilmore or Billy Madison. It may be a matter of personal taste, like you said. I can see how this kind of humor wouldn't appeal to everyone.
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Post by abaris on May 25, 2017 16:01:32 GMT
My Ryders are taking it super serious. Like super-duper-serious. There is no reason for them go around all doom and gloom for that. I, myself, have a life and death serious job. I have to be ready to run any second, drop everything and just save someones life. That does not mean that we punch humour out as soon as we punch ourselves in at work. Why would it? Which, as I worked the emergency services as an ambulance driver, is probably pretty dark, and would shock people not being exposed to the same daily experiences.
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Post by caterpillar on May 25, 2017 16:02:15 GMT
They are definitely aiming at younger audiences, probably around the same age as the Ryder twins. So early twenties. I stopped trying to relate to the characters and their coming of age stories, so I'm just along for the ride. My poor husband keeps trying and restarting, each time trying to make his Sara look older, giving her grayer hair, but it's not working for him. He says he can't take Ryder seriously, and he can't expect anyone on her crew to take her seriously because she's just this kid who got her job handed to her by her dad. Damn, I am twice as old, and I can totally relate with them.. should I be worried? My comment was just an answer to the OP's question at who the target audience for this game was, not a prescription for who should be allowed to relate the characters, or a commentary about the maturity of players who do relate. I'm sure there are players in their early twenties who are not as interested in a coming of age story despite being in the target age group, and this thread shows there are plenty of people in my age group (late 40s) who do relate to it just fine. And just to be clear, I don't hate this game, or the Ryder twins. I've put a ton of hours into it and I'm having fun with it, despite having some criticisms about bugs and technical issues, and some of the writing. I personally have had trouble connecting to my Ryders the way I connected to my Shepards (and Wardens, Hawkes and Inquisitors), so that was a little disappointing for me. But I can accept that it's not disappointing for others and I certainly am not out to judge anyone for having a different experience than mine.
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Post by Eterna on May 25, 2017 16:17:43 GMT
Anyone else think it's hilarious watching a bunch of "sophisticated" people in their thirties make sweeping generalizations of an entire age group to prove their maturity?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 16:17:46 GMT
Damn, I am twice as old, and I can totally relate with them.. should I be worried? My comment was just an answer to the OP's question at who the target audience for this game was, not a prescription for who should be allowed to relate the characters, or a commentary about the maturity of players who do relate. I'm sure there are players in their early twenties who are not as interested in a coming of age story despite being in the target age group, and this thread shows there are plenty of people in my age group (late 40s) who do relate to it just fine. And just to be clear, I don't hate this game, or the Ryder twins. I've put a ton of hours into it and I'm having fun with it, despite having some criticisms about bugs and technical issues, and some of the writing. I personally have had trouble connecting to my Ryders the way I connected to my Shepards (and Wardens, Hawkes and Inquisitors), so that was a little disappointing for me. But I can accept that it's not disappointing for others and I certainly am not out to judge anyone for having a different experience than mine. I like your response. I am of that age group, and I connect to both Ryders by simply viewing them through Ellen Ryders' eyes. If there is a portion of actual "me" in this game, it's her.
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Post by Elfen Lied on May 25, 2017 16:33:15 GMT
My comment was just an answer to the OP's question at who the target audience for this game was, not a prescription for who should be allowed to relate the characters, or a commentary about the maturity of players who do relate. I'm sure there are players in their early twenties who are not as interested in a coming of age story despite being in the target age group, and this thread shows there are plenty of people in my age group (late 40s) who do relate to it just fine. And just to be clear, I don't hate this game, or the Ryder twins. I've put a ton of hours into it and I'm having fun with it, despite having some criticisms about bugs and technical issues, and some of the writing. I personally have had trouble connecting to my Ryders the way I connected to my Shepards (and Wardens, Hawkes and Inquisitors), so that was a little disappointing for me. But I can accept that it's not disappointing for others and I certainly am not out to judge anyone for having a different experience than mine. I like your response. I am of that age group, and I connect to both Ryders by simply viewing them through Ellen Ryders' eyes. If there is a portion of actual "me" in this game, it's her. Just to be clear, my post was self ironical, considering that many people IRL, including my GF who is 14 yo younger than me, keep saying me "It's time you grow up!" in reference to my mental age. Therefore the fact that I can connect so much with these character just made me wonder. Perhaps they are not so wrong.. Oh whatever, who cares.. back to the game!
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