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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 4:08:17 GMT
I've always destroyed the facility because I think of it like those tough N7 decisions. Whatever the losses are now, it will take kett a very long time, if ever, to recreate it and that the cardinal really doesn't want to lose it tells me it's high value and should be destroyed. But this run I chose to save the angara and Moshae is such a bitch. And yet, I was saving her people. That she can't even see that Ryder wants to not kill so many angara in one fell swoop and is angry at you for that is kind of shocking.
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 4:17:16 GMT
That's the angarra for you. Honestly you can't really blame her. A. She is a practical woman and knows what keeping that facility means. Keeping it. And endured who knows how many months of torture...and here this punk human comes along and risks subjecting more of her people to that? Especially for an angarra damn straight she'd be pissed.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2017 4:20:24 GMT
She tells you straight up that once they leave, the kett will just repopulate the facility and start over again. They wouldn't just abandon a fully functional exaltation facility, especially considering that exaltation is basically the [presumably] sole means of sustaining their entire civilization. Heck, shooting the Cardinal in the back after agreeing to the deal doesn't even make a difference. They probably have a million like it that could just take the job. Heck they'd probably put a sign at the door.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 26, 2017 4:22:44 GMT
I've done both too. She stops being accusatory towards Ryder immediately after their conversation in the Tempest med bay, though, and her dialogue is exactly the same for both choices from then on.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 4:47:14 GMT
That's the angarra for you. Honestly you can't really blame her. A. She is a practical woman and knows what keeping that facility means. Keeping it. And endured who knows how many months of torture...and here this punk human comes along and risks subjecting more of her people to that? Especially for an angarra damn straight she'd be pissed. I agree that blowing it up is the better course and for all her reasons. It was really hard to not do that as in it felt like such a bad plan - reminded me a bit of rewriting the geth. But I hadn't done it yet so I made my Sara (Alexia) save the angara. What is interesting is that I get that quest about the kett movements related to blowing up the facility right after I free the angara. As if I had destroyed it. I think that it would be interesting if you could go back and blow it up right after you leave with the angara. And as I think of it, I don't see why we couldn't do that with SAMs AI. Was there a specific reason we could only do it right then? We hacked our way in and they would never be able to block us that quickly. Before I thought that from a logistics standpoint saving them would take too long and they could bring in reinforcements quickly and just fill it up fast again. I still think that but also, I wonder why we couldn't just hack in right after we leave and blow it up. I wish I had paid more specific attention to the how/why about blowing it up now.
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2017 5:04:15 GMT
That's the angarra for you. Honestly you can't really blame her. A. She is a practical woman and knows what keeping that facility means. Keeping it. And endured who knows how many months of torture...and here this punk human comes along and risks subjecting more of her people to that? Especially for an angarra damn straight she'd be pissed. I agree that blowing it up is the better course and for all her reasons. It was really hard to not do that as in it felt like such a bad plan - reminded me a bit of rewriting the geth. But I hadn't done it yet so I made my Sara (Alexia) save the angara. What is interesting is that I get that quest about the kett movements related to blowing up the facility right after I free the angara. As if I had destroyed it. I think that it would be interesting if you could go back and blow it up right after you leave with the angara. And as I think of it, I don't see why we couldn't do that with SAMs AI. Was there a specific reason we could only do it right then? We hacked our way in and they would never be able to block us that quickly. Before I thought that from a logistics standpoint saving them would take too long and they could bring in reinforcements quickly and just fill it up fast again. I still think that but also, I wonder why we couldn't just hack in right after we leave and blow it up. I wish I had paid more specific attention to the how/why about blowing it up now. there were a lot of Kett reinforcements on the way. Like a couple of Capitol ships worth plus maybe the Archon themselves. This would make the job that much harder the second time. Plus,and this is speculation, but the Kett would have probably changed the access codes.
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Post by zeypher on May 26, 2017 6:44:17 GMT
Kett cruisers were on their way so you could not save the people who were released from their pods. Remember during the mission the rescuers tell you that they are in a trance and not cooperating. Besides getting thousands out when cruisers are on their way is not happening. At best you maybe able to save 100 folks and still leave the facility standing.
Angara do not have big ships left anymore, just small and fast shuttles like the ones you came in. So Jaal is a bloody idiot for even suggesting what he did then as logically that is by far the worst option. Remember the Kett are stranded in Heleus as well and that is their main exaltation facility. They do not have resources to build another one, even the one they had they used Angaran equipment in it just to build it.
So either realistically save a 100 folk at best and end up leaving them their main production facility or you blow that facility up for good and seriously harm Kett efforts in the cluster. Thats why when you blow it up Kett stop bothering to capture people cause they cannot exalt that many anymore.
Its why i was pissed that when we boarded the Archons's ship we did not plant a bomb or something to blow it up. Especially when Ryder agrees with Drack that they have to do whatever it takes to kill the Archon whenever they get that single chance.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 12:59:27 GMT
Yeah, I always felt like saving them was kind of a bullshit 'choice' they added in also in part to create tension with either jaal or moshae as well as to just give some option. I can't believe it but I regret not blowing it up. I always destroyed it because I felt that was the best choice in the long run and worth the lives it cost. It's funny because it shows how emotional Jaal is that he cannot see that choice will save more in the long run than the few you save then. Now that you are in the picture it will be even harder for them to get that facility up and running again. I mean if they can't retake any of the other places you shut down like the one in Eos and the one on Voeld then they surely can't retake an exaltation facility that you blow up. I can't believe it but I feel like I want to go back and change that decision. When I initially chose to destroy it my thoughts were specifically 'and they would just stand by and let you do it?'
Agree, why not blow up the ship as well. Or even gather more intel. Through the whole game I was stunned that we were not trying to gather intel on them. We shut down all these facilities and have all that access but we never actually take all their files or hack it all. We have a supercomputer AI and we still don't! Even if we don't get enough to tell us everything about them we could surely get something to gain more insight into them. I feel like the they worked extra hard to keep us in the dark about them.
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Post by Pokemario on May 26, 2017 14:40:56 GMT
I saved the Angara. I know that blowing up the facility is most likely the smarter thing to do, but I (my Scott) just couldn't bring myself to sacrifice all those lives.
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 26, 2017 16:07:04 GMT
I find it odd that there isn't an option to free them now and destroy it later. Ok not really odd. They needed a binary choice for gameplay. But logically, real resistance fighters would not just give up and let that processing plant stay in operation.
I'd guess that's exactly what happens off camera
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2017 16:11:06 GMT
I find it odd that there isn't an option to free them now and destroy it later. Ok not really odd. They needed a binary choice for gameplay. But logically, real resistance fighters would not just give up and let that processing plant stay in operation. I'd guess that's exactly what happens off camera It'd be kind of funny to return to destroy the place, only to find that the kett have restarted operations and have a new shipment of captives to exalt, which presents the same problem all over again.
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Post by kino on May 26, 2017 16:15:54 GMT
I've done both as well, saving the Angara prisoners and blowing up the facility. I felt better about saving the prisoners but, damn, that facility is all kinds of evil so I understand why the Moshae wanted it gone.
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Post by simit on May 26, 2017 16:22:24 GMT
now if only there was a nuke all angara option 😆👍
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Post by zeypher on May 26, 2017 17:47:19 GMT
I saved the Angara. I know that blowing up the facility is most likely the smarter thing to do, but I (my Scott) just couldn't bring myself to sacrifice all those lives. All you did was sacrifice tens of thousands more angara just to save the ones in the facility.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on May 26, 2017 18:33:10 GMT
The Kett refilling the facility is only a problem if I aim to leave any Kett alive in Heleus. Since im aiming to smash them from the cluster, I'm happy with freeing the captives.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 19:10:16 GMT
I saved the Angara. I know that blowing up the facility is most likely the smarter thing to do, but I (my Scott) just couldn't bring myself to sacrifice all those lives. All you did was sacrifice tens of thousands more angara just to save the ones in the facility.Or, instead of making prisoners, the Kett will now kill the Angara directly. I find saving the captives the best option.
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Post by Cyberfrog on May 26, 2017 19:10:51 GMT
I've done both too. She stops being accusatory towards Ryder immediately after their conversation in the Tempest med bay, though, and her dialogue is exactly the same for both choices from then on. After? No, she becomes friendly again DURING the same conversation. I've called it a "mood swing", but I seriously doubt that was the intent. One of the reasons I'm unable to enjoy the Moshae. Like so many other things in Andromeda she had potential, but they failed to turn it into something truly great.
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Post by vonuber on May 26, 2017 19:58:27 GMT
It's an easy decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 20:04:38 GMT
I find it odd that there isn't an option to free them now and destroy it later. Ok not really odd. They needed a binary choice for gameplay. But logically, real resistance fighters would not just give up and let that processing plant stay in operation. I'd guess that's exactly what happens off camera It'd be kind of funny to return to destroy the place, only to find that the kett have restarted operations and have a new shipment of captives to exalt, which presents the same problem all over again. But that would really serve to solidify why you have to destroy it. Nobody there could argue that it's best to save them then have a pissy fit with you for blowing it up.
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Post by Exile Isan on May 26, 2017 20:21:59 GMT
I think blowing up the facility is the right choice, but I was utterly disappointed in the explosion. So lackluster. I mean come on at least have a really big explosion if you're going to make my LI mad at me because I didn't save all the angara there (or try to). I should get something to compensate Jaal not talking to me for a bit, right?
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Post by obatalaryder on May 26, 2017 20:41:21 GMT
People really fell for Jaal's sentimentality?
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Post by Psychedelic on May 26, 2017 21:03:55 GMT
No matter if you blow up the exaltation facility or save a few angara you'll get a new banter at the Resistance base on Voeld after that mission. The Resistance started to distribute pills with a lethal poison to its members and possibly other angara, too, in case they are captured by the Kett. The only "good" thing that came out of it is that the Kett will have a harder time to get more material to exalt, so it's not really important if the facility still stands or not. I still prefer to blow it up, just because the Cardinal wanted me not to do it. Yes, I am petty like that.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 26, 2017 21:10:56 GMT
Are there any other facilities we know about in the area or are the kett incapable of building another one?
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Post by zeypher on May 27, 2017 8:37:21 GMT
Kett are incapable of building another atleast until they get resupplied by their empire. Even the one on Voeld had to use Angaran medical equipment just to complete the facility. The can do small number of exaltation's in their ships but nothing like what they could do with their exaltation churches. One also mus understand that Exaltation, the entire process has something of a high religious/cultural aspect which matters to the Kett a lot.
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