Wow, Moshae surprises me

What piece of shit are you spouting, we know exactly what will happen in that facility, you, resistance leaders, Moshae know exactly what will happen if that facility is left standing. More angaran will be captured and then converted to Kett simple as that.

Don't see that that's a problem with the Kobyashi Maru. It's not supposed to be a test of strategy.

The blowing up the base choice is a nice change for a genuinely unpleasant but needed decision (which I didn't make on my first playthrough, and I should've done). Too often they're stuck with insisting on making choices with no right decision, you can't do the right thing, it's bad no matter what, even where I think one of them is the right choice despite that. This on the other hand is a genuinely unpleasant task that should be done. The "can't win whatever you do" ones, may as well toss a coin for those.

I agree with you - my point is that this one was good for not being a coin toss for once.

I think I didn't make myself clear enough here, so I'll elaborate if anyone cared for it

1) When I wrote "randomly insane", it would be what the game apparently suggests happens when you decide against destroying the facility. Which is nothing. That is insane. I know troops are sparse, I know we need every availible fighter fighting, but if I decide I want to deploy troops to hold/dismantle/secure the facility, than that's also bloody legitimate strategic allocation. And it is not doomed to be a inferior success than just blowing it up. You can learn a lot from it, hinder the kett from taking it back, set up an ambush, maybe find more ways to fight them or even understand ascension; what have you.

If I'm admitting to wishful thinking, it's that I'm stubbornly refusing to see why Ryder wouldn't initiate any of these things as a default after such a decision and really just... leave. In this case, yes, it' is but stupid.


2) This should have also explained why I chose the "Kobayashi Maru" simulation anecdote from Star Trek. The programme is about teaching students that certain situations are unavoidably without a "good" solution, and Kirk refuses to acknowledge this truth. That's what I was getting at with my own behaviour.

Anything can happen (though it seems almost certain the Kett will return for the facility and must then, once again, be dealt with) if you chose not to let the facility stand. Death is certain for all capture Angarans if you blow it up "just to be sure". It seems like a very weird time and place to suddenly make the kett seem so very overwhelming they must be avoided at all cost, and that there is no chance to take them on a second time around; when we just decided a full frontal attack with 7 people is the most effective course of action. I know this is silly, game-y, Mass-Effect-logic versus layman real-world military talk, but we're all the same in that.




Easy there, kimosabe.

I feel like the Moshae's 'mood swings' are actually a good demonstration of the emotional nature of the angara as a people, and I like that better than hearing people tell me all the time how much more emotional they are. If she feel anger, she expresses, and then when the anger passes, she's done.

On that note, I'd like to point out that this decision, in a gameplay way, is also one for either Moshae or Jaal's approval.

Especially since Moshae is used to thinking about the grand scheme and Jaal is a very emotional man even for an Angara, so it further illustrates how this is a strategy/logic versus impulse/emotion decision.

Given that the Angara have managed to hold out on a number of planets for some time now, the situation seems far from hopeless. Apart from anything else, the number of Krogan is likely to rise, even if only slowly. "Delusion, ineptitude and stupidity" sounds a bit like a description of many military commanders, not just on losing sides either.

At least to the ME Forums.  I don't think these choices are really supposed to be 'analyzed' as deeply as they get on the forums because they end up just not making sense once you look too deeply into them.  Just take what the game gives you, chose, and move on is the way it was intended to be I surmise.

The Angara were a cluster wide civilization at one point reduced to what we see in game, straggling holdouts of resistance fighters and loosely affiliated population centers.  I wouldn't exactly say the are "holding out".  If the Archon wasn't obsessed with the Remnant the Angara would have been gone before we ever arrived.  Looking at it from a real world perspective, instead of a 'this is a space magic video game' view, what is left of the Angara and the MW orphans would lose due to sheer lack of numbers against a real galaxy wide Kett force that has already subjugated and exalted 1000's of species.  We only win in MEA thanks to the humanity is special trope granting us unlimited plot armor.

Agreed, and really most games are the same.  Even most media in general be it TV, movies, books, etc.  Entertainment is made for the masses and is watered down enough to be palatable to whatever common denominator is chosen.   Not trying to say it is necessarily a bad thing, just that passionate dissection of them tends to just show the lack of depth.

Yup the thing Kett are most interested in doing is exalt others. Even the Primus tells you "one day we will be family' till then fight if you must". I am interested in knowing what drives them to this absolute single mindedness, so much so that even Kett who retain their pre exaltation memories agree with what the Kett are doing.

But as it stands atm the AI and Angara have no chance against the full might of the Kett empire.

Again though this just leads you into that same "not supposed to think about it too much" territory since at the end of the day the Kett are just there to have something to pew-pew against.

The entire galactic Kett civilization is built upon this 'Exaltation' which they have used to assimilate 1000's of Andromeda species and their best tactic is still to send in ground troops with assault rifles?  During the course of conquering all these species they never once stopped to think, "you know maybe there is a better way than just shooting everyone and hope they live to be exalted"?  They never looked into technology or methods to immobilize opposition troops?  Never thought about using nerve agents to quell uprisings?  Never developed technology to pacify whole cities like the Collectors did?  Their best option is to "bomb from orbit"?

Right, right, not supposed to think, just pew-pew...