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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2021 12:20:23 GMT
Very little. We already know if you did the gender swap in ME1 (setting aside mods) that Kaidan acknowledged the relationship in ME2. A slight fix there changes "woman" to "man" in the email from Kaidan. In ME3, they probably have to alter some flag for BroShep to acknowledge the relationship. End of story. Not even new dialogue. If a modder could figure this stuff out then BioWare surely could have done so. There's still the issue of how to handle the lack of a three-way confrontation. The only alternative I can see to adding that in is the dreaded gay toggle. Why is it even necessary? It's really not. One of them could bow out gracefully while the other dukes it out with that harlot Liara.
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Post by sageoflife on May 16, 2021 13:22:19 GMT
There's still the issue of how to handle the lack of a three-way confrontation. The only alternative I can see to adding that in is the dreaded gay toggle. Why is it even necessary? It's really not. One of them could bow out gracefully while the other dukes it out with that harlot Liara. Which would still require new dialogue.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2021 15:55:55 GMT
Why is it even necessary? It's really not. One of them could bow out gracefully while the other dukes it out with that harlot Liara. Which would still require new dialogue. How so? What new dialogue? For example, Kaidan ignores it but Ash is pissed off. Ash, who already didn't like Liara much, confronts her. Or Ash doesn't get involved while Kaidan is annoyed enough to confront her. Literally, no new dialogue. You don't even have to have A/K confront one another. Honestly, no new dialogue is needed. I mean, you could force it to find ways to NOT make this work but it's unnecessary.
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Post by sageoflife on May 16, 2021 16:04:31 GMT
Which would still require new dialogue. How so? What new dialogue? For example, Kaidan ignores it but Ash is pissed off. Ash, who already didn't like Liara much, confronts her. Or Ash doesn't get involved while Kaidan is annoyed enough to confront her. Literally, no new dialogue. You don't even have to have A/K confront one another. Honestly, no new dialogue is needed. I mean, you could force it to find ways to NOT make this work but it's unnecessary. There is no dialogue for a Kaidan vs Ashley or a Kaidan vs Ashley vs Liara conflict. Modders can get away with jury-rigging a gay toggle, but that's not going to fly with a commercial release. Making all three love interests available regardless of Shepard's sex requires dialogue for four different conflicts, otherwise the event flags won't work, and as it stands only two of those conflicts exist in the game files. Adding the two missing conflicts requires bringing the actors back in.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2021 16:21:11 GMT
How so? What new dialogue? For example, Kaidan ignores it but Ash is pissed off. Ash, who already didn't like Liara much, confronts her. Or Ash doesn't get involved while Kaidan is annoyed enough to confront her. Literally, no new dialogue. You don't even have to have A/K confront one another. Honestly, no new dialogue is needed. I mean, you could force it to find ways to NOT make this work but it's unnecessary. There is no dialogue for a Kaidan vs Ashley or a Kaidan vs Ashley vs Liara conflict. Modders can get away with jury-rigging a gay toggle, but that's not going to fly with a commercial release. Making all three love interests available regardless of Shepard's sex requires dialogue for four different conflicts, otherwise the event flags won't work, and as it stands only two of those conflicts exist in the game files. Adding the two missing conflicts requires bringing the actors back in. I'm saying that dialogue is unnecessary. Even a lack of confrontation between A and K could come down to professionalism between two marines. Not difficult unless you really want to make it so. Or, let's put it like this: would you rather skipping certain confrontations and dialogue, or would you rather not have the romance possibility at all?
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Post by sageoflife on May 16, 2021 16:27:59 GMT
There is no dialogue for a Kaidan vs Ashley or a Kaidan vs Ashley vs Liara conflict. Modders can get away with jury-rigging a gay toggle, but that's not going to fly with a commercial release. Making all three love interests available regardless of Shepard's sex requires dialogue for four different conflicts, otherwise the event flags won't work, and as it stands only two of those conflicts exist in the game files. Adding the two missing conflicts requires bringing the actors back in. I'm saying that dialogue is unnecessary. Even a lack of confrontation between A and K could come down to professionalism between two marines. Not difficult unless you really want to make it so. Or, let's put it like this: would you rather skipping certain confrontations and dialogue, or would you rather not have the romance possibility at all? There still needs to be dialogue where one of them states that they are dropping out of the race. Conversations where Shepard tells one of them that he is interested in the other. Modders don't have to worry about event flags the same way the developers do.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 16, 2021 18:55:38 GMT
I'm saying that dialogue is unnecessary. Even a lack of confrontation between A and K could come down to professionalism between two marines. Not difficult unless you really want to make it so. Or, let's put it like this: would you rather skipping certain confrontations and dialogue, or would you rather not have the romance possibility at all? There still needs to be dialogue where one of them states that they are dropping out of the race. Conversations where Shepard tells one of them that he is interested in the other. Modders don't have to worry about event flags the same way the developers do. Maybe. Or maybe Shepard just goes with one person and one or both bow out gracefully. Honestly, they shouldn't even me arguing over who "gets" Shepard.
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Post by sageoflife on May 17, 2021 4:51:31 GMT
There still needs to be dialogue where one of them states that they are dropping out of the race. Conversations where Shepard tells one of them that he is interested in the other. Modders don't have to worry about event flags the same way the developers do. Maybe. Or maybe Shepard just goes with one person and one or both bow out gracefully. Honestly, they shouldn't even me arguing over who "gets" Shepard. Unfortunately, the dialogue for someone bowing out gracefully doesn't exist in the files, at least not in a way that would facilitate all three options being available at once.
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Having a blast with the Legendary Edition. Finished ME1 and well into ME2. Already made it past Horizon, I almost cried when Kaidan walked away from my Shepard. Staying loyal as best I can, but some of my squad mates are hard to differentiate if I am flirting with them or not. So am deliberately using the quicksave feature before talking to any of the male squad members.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2021 12:00:02 GMT
Having a blast with the Legendary Edition. Finished ME1 and well into ME2. Already made it past Horizon, I almost cried when Kaidan walked away from my Shepard. Staying loyal as best I can, but some of my squad mates are hard to differentiate if I am flirting with them or not. So am deliberately using the quicksave feature before talking to any of the male squad members. Glad to hear you're having fun
I personally like doing Horizon after I've also recruited Thane, since Kelly says a very interesting line if you recruit Thane. (semi paraphrased)
Kelly: I'm not sure if I find him(Thane) scary or sexy Shepard: [Maybe both?] A lot of women like bad boys
Kelly: a lot of women? Like you? Shepard: [That's not my thing] Men like Thane aren't really my type Kelly: Some day you'll have to tell me what your type is ...cue Horizon
also if you like, I could help you by telling you what options to use in order not to lock in with the ME2 romance options
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Post by VeronicanPlay on May 25, 2021 15:33:29 GMT
Having a blast with the Legendary Edition. Finished ME1 and well into ME2. Already made it past Horizon, I almost cried when Kaidan walked away from my Shepard. Staying loyal as best I can, but some of my squad mates are hard to differentiate if I am flirting with them or not. So am deliberately using the quicksave feature before talking to any of the male squad members. Glad to hear you're having fun
I personally like doing Horizon after I've also recruited Thane, since Kelly says a very interesting line if you recruit Thane. (semi paraphrased)
Kelly: I'm not sure if I find him(Thane) scary or sexy Shepard: [Maybe both?] A lot of women like bad boys
Kelly: a lot of women? Like you? Shepard: [That's not my thing] Men like Thane aren't really my type Kelly: Some day you'll have to tell me what your type is ...cue Horizon
also if you like, I could help you by telling you what options to use in order not to lock in with the ME2 romance options I know what to expect from from Garrus, he is easy to read. I don't have Thane yet. Jacob is the real issue, my Shepard just sound so flirty with him from the very beginning, on how she leans in the table and the way she says she just wants to talk for a bit. I have not done his loyalty mission, but chose an option early that we should be friends.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 25, 2021 17:35:06 GMT
I know what to expect from from Garrus, he is easy to read. I don't have Thane yet. Jacob is the real issue, my Shepard just sound so flirty with him from the very beginning, on how she leans in the table and the way she says she just wants to talk for a bit. I have not done his loyalty mission, but chose an option early that we should be friends. Ah alright ^^
As for avoiding to lock in Thane's romance... there's a part that I believe has two options that say something along the lines of 'I want you' and 'focus on your son' ...picking the latter option locks you out of romancing him. I used to be able to find a guide for this but I can't seem to locate it atm.
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Post by VeronicanPlay on May 31, 2021 7:34:36 GMT
I know what to expect from from Garrus, he is easy to read. I don't have Thane yet. Jacob is the real issue, my Shepard just sound so flirty with him from the very beginning, on how she leans in the table and the way she says she just wants to talk for a bit. I have not done his loyalty mission, but chose an option early that we should be friends. Ah alright ^^
As for avoiding to lock in Thane's romance... there's a part that I believe has two options that say something along the lines of 'I want you' and 'focus on your son' ...picking the latter option locks you out of romancing him. I used to be able to find a guide for this but I can't seem to locate it atm. I managed to avoid any kind of romance in ME2, well into ME3 now. Have completed Priority: Citadel 2 as early as possible without locking out any quests, and Kaidan is locked in (can't express how much I love that Café scene). Traynor was about to snipe me, but we managed to only play chess.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 31, 2021 11:24:38 GMT
Ah alright ^^
As for avoiding to lock in Thane's romance... there's a part that I believe has two options that say something along the lines of 'I want you' and 'focus on your son' ...picking the latter option locks you out of romancing him. I used to be able to find a guide for this but I can't seem to locate it atm. I managed to avoid any kind of romance in ME2, well into ME3 now. Have completed Priority: Citadel 2 as early as possible without locking out any quests, and Kaidan is locked in (can't express how much I love that Café scene). Traynor was about to snipe me, but we managed to only play chess. Traynor can be sneaky, as well as Allers...
Glad to hear you're enjoying things
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Post by VeronicanPlay on Jun 8, 2021 16:15:59 GMT
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Post by VeronicanPlay on Jun 8, 2021 23:52:41 GMT
It's those brown puppy dog eyes and the husky voice I just can't resist. Now I am contemplating wether to "cheat" on him with Jacob for the easy way out, or Thane and hope its not locked out when I loose him to unforunate circumstances.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 9, 2021 0:34:45 GMT
You don't have to romance other people to get the achievement. If you romance him again, you'll get the Paramour III. I've done that with Kelly to get my I and II, and am in the middle of doing it for the III.
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Post by VeronicanPlay on Jun 9, 2021 9:39:28 GMT
Ohh, I guess I misread the achievement. I thought you had to start or continue a romance in each of the games. That makes it a bit easier.
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You don't have to romance other people to get the achievement. If you romance him again, you'll get the Paramour III. I've done that with Kelly to get my I and II, and am in the middle of doing it for the III. Odd...I only got Paramour II after the café scene in 3 (my Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME2)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 9, 2021 16:19:12 GMT
You don't have to romance other people to get the achievement. If you romance him again, you'll get the Paramour III. I've done that with Kelly to get my I and II, and am in the middle of doing it for the III. Odd...I only got Paramour II after the café scene in 3 (my Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME2) Thats because you romanced him in 1 to get I and 3 to get II. Just romance him again in either to get III.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jun 9, 2021 17:30:08 GMT
Odd...I only got Paramour II after the café scene in 3 (my Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME2) Thats because you romanced him in 1 to get I and 3 to get II. Just romance him again in either to get III. Ah I see, thanks
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Post by VeronicanPlay on Jun 13, 2021 16:38:54 GMT
Odd...I only got Paramour II after the café scene in 3 (my Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME2) Thats because you romanced him in 1 to get I and 3 to get II. Just romance him again in either to get III. I am not saying your assesment is wrong or that you are lying, but I just completed ME1 and romanced Kaidan, and I did not get the Paramour III achivement. I wonder then if Kelly Chambers is an exception.
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