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Post by R'Shara on May 31, 2017 23:55:41 GMT
I mean this threads OP is ACTUALLY nitpicking this game and in the one post about a factually incorrect mechanic is what you object to? :oki:
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Post by griffith82 on May 31, 2017 23:58:21 GMT
The planet has limited water and like it or not those are hazardous conditions. Are they as bad as the game states? No but I'm not trying to pick apart everything, I'm trying to enjoy the damn game. The planet does but Ryder doesn't. If you don't want to pick apart the game why did you pick my post of the 6+ pages to nitpick? I'm not the one trying to nit pick here as I don't go looking for issues to pick apart I simply made a statement. I also responded about the op.You just love to fight plain and simple. |
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Post by q5tyhj on May 31, 2017 23:58:32 GMT
I'm sorry that's after making my point several times I began cutting vronersb yes goig from a gsme steingky founded in biblical moments to a game that the only religion you see calls faith delusional, says those who believe in the afterlife is because you're scared, and refuses to let you be religious, is a huge trade. And yes exaltation is a religious term. The chosen, annoited, destined, cardinal, archons sword. All are similar to Christian titles too. I think the italed is where you went off the rails. You deluded yourself into thinking that the trilogy writers treated religion as anything other than a convenient source of useful tropes. Yep, and though I can't really speak from experience (as I've completed only one SP playthrough, at a whopping 54% completion, shortly after the game came out) I would suspect that if one wanted to find Christian/religious themes in MEA one could find them there too, especially since that sort of thing tends to involve a good bit of confirmation bias anyways. |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 1, 2017 0:04:03 GMT
Then why are you asking me and not the OP? Do you not get that?  I already asked them. many times. I'm just getting ground back to the point of the topic and to actually look at the religious aspects of MEA you are offended by, not just be offended by them. If you want to ask about what aspects offended me, I'd be more than happy to answer that. Though I think I already answered that pretty clearly back a few pages. |
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 1, 2017 0:04:03 GMT
The planet does but Ryder doesn't. If you don't want to pick apart the game why did you pick my post of the 6+ pages to nitpick? I'm not the one trying to nit pick here as I don't go looking for issues to pick apart I simply made a statement. I also responded about the op.You just love to fight plain and simple. Says the person who started the disagreement. :oki: |
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 1, 2017 0:06:45 GMT
I already asked them. many times. I'm just getting ground back to the point of the topic and to actually look at the religious aspects of MEA you are offended by, not just be offended by them. If you want to ask about what aspects offended me, I'd be more than happy to answer that. Though I think I already answered that pretty clearly back a few pages. which are? |
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Post by cobalt72 on Jun 1, 2017 0:07:25 GMT
Eh, I find it to be too much work to be offended by a game, TV show, movie, or any format of media.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 1, 2017 0:07:28 GMT
I'm not the one trying to nit pick here as I don't go looking for issues to pick apart I simply made a statement. I also responded about the op.You just love to fight plain and simple. Says the person who started the disagreement. :oki: I wasn't trying to start anything. I seem to forget that on the BSN if you have an opinion it's best to 🤐 . |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 1, 2017 0:09:13 GMT
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 1, 2017 0:12:12 GMT
Says the person who started the disagreement. :oki: I wasn't trying to start anything. I seem to forget that on the BSN if you have an opinion it's best to 🤐 . *attacks an opinion* *gets rebutted* "Stop attacking me!" *acts the victim* Seriously... |
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Post by sortiv on Jun 1, 2017 0:13:25 GMT
I asked this because in Mass Effect Shepard could be religious. In Andromeda Ryder can't be. You have to tell Suvi either she is delusional for having faith (which she gleeful agrees to) or say that god is a robot which she is happy with. You can't believe in heaven you can only refuse to believe your mom's soul is lost. Shepard is also analogous for Jesus while Andromeda's main bad guys are the religious aliens, and no humans have faith except Suvi who isn't like any religion in earth. Why does the new team just not want us to be able to choose? I don't expect them to be as straightforward as mass effect but I hate that we just don't get the choice and they don't allow us to be religious, and at the same time make the game itself talk down religion. I have seen lots of discussion about this and other parts of the Bioware agenda (some say Hudson wanted a religious story and now Bioware is over compensation) as part of the bigger discussion on Bioware political agenda (there are links to devs making supposedly hateful comments to men but they are men, so idk.) some people go as far as to say the women in the game don't look like waifus means that Bioware wants to support she's because she's don't like traditional women (which is offensive on SJW part too when they are the ones who don't want to be offensive) so all of that is a mess on both sides and we should keep it out of this topic please! I just wanted to discuss one particular issue. The entire premise of this thread is wrong (Ryder can tell Suvi he/she is a believer also) and yet it's still nine pages long. Yup, troll successful. Congrats, BSN. |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 1, 2017 0:14:37 GMT
If you want to ask about what aspects offended me, I'd be more than happy to answer that. Though I think I already answered that pretty clearly back a few pages. which are? I'll just quote myself. They would really be better off to just leave the whole topic alone if this is the best writing they can do. "Yeah that's what faith is". Whoever the writer was for these conversations clearly doesn't have any understanding of what "faith" actually means and the whole message comes off as "if you do have faith you are just fooling yourself".
Don't want to get into a big theological debate here, if you really want to know what it means to "have faith" look it up yourself. The point is, like with the trans-lady they had to redact, if they don't know anything about the topic they would be better off not trying to shoehorn it into their game. So first Ryder calls her delusional for having faith and Suvi immediately agrees. To me that seemed to be the intent of the writer. Again, clearly this was written by someone with little understanding of what faith is and why people have it. If the writer can't be arsed to look beyond their own view enough to spend 5 minutes on google doing some research first they would have been better off leaving it out. |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 1, 2017 0:16:03 GMT
Read all nine pages and I think decafhigh pretty much has the gist of it. Why thank you Mister Gif Man.   |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jun 1, 2017 0:17:19 GMT
This isngeneral thread for Andromeda. Wasn't made for y'all to come in and insult religion as a whole. And honestly it isn't inconsistent if you actually try to look in and study it for a few minutes. Now I know many of you are around my age and grew up with the internet. The internet also takes weird translations or even NKJ and highlights things out of context but everything they put up is very easily answered. It's ridiculous and the same things people bring up, always the same few because those are the ones that blew up out of context online Obvious troll is obvious. Go. |
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 1, 2017 0:17:34 GMT
I'll just quote myself. They would really be better off to just leave the whole topic alone if this is the best writing they can do. "Yeah that's what faith is". Whoever the writer was for these conversations clearly doesn't have any understanding of what "faith" actually means and the whole message comes off as "if you do have faith you are just fooling yourself".
Don't want to get into a big theological debate here, if you really want to know what it means to "have faith" look it up yourself. The point is, like with the trans-lady they had to redact, if they don't know anything about the topic they would be better off not trying to shoehorn it into their game. So first Ryder calls her delusional for having faith and Suvi immediately agrees. To me that seemed to be the intent of the writer. Again, clearly this was written by someone with little understanding of what faith is and why people have it. If the writer can't be arsed to look beyond their own view enough to spend 5 minutes on google doing some research first they would have been better off leaving it out. But if they'd done that, half the dialogue would've been cut 😀 |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 1, 2017 0:18:36 GMT
Read all nine pages and I think decafhigh pretty much has the gist of it. Why thank you Mister Gif Man.  |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 1, 2017 0:20:45 GMT
But if they'd done that, half the dialogue would've been cut 😀 I didn't say they couldn't replace it with something else.  Suvi doesn't have much to say anyway, even doing her romance is annoyingly bereft of content. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 0:21:17 GMT
This isngeneral thread for Andromeda. Wasn't made for y'all to come in and insult religion as a whole. And honestly it isn't inconsistent if you actually try to look in and study it for a few minutes. Now I know many of you are around my age and grew up with the internet. The internet also takes weird translations or even NKJ and highlights things out of context but everything they put up is very easily answered. It's ridiculous and the same things people bring up, always the same few because those are the ones that blew up out of context online Obvious troll is obvious. Go. If you read the topic you'd see that just above this people had discussions completely insulting my and other religions and yes that's not the point of this threw at all. |
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 1, 2017 0:24:40 GMT
Obvious troll is obvious. Go. If you read the topic you'd see that just above this people had discussions completely insulting my and other religions and yes that's not the point of this threw at all. not really. |
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 1, 2017 0:25:16 GMT
Whoever the writer was for these conversations clearly doesn't have any understanding of what "faith" actually means and the whole message comes off as "if you do have faith you are just fooling yourself". Again, characterizing faith as belief in the absence of (or even contrary to) evidence doesn't necessarily betray any lack of understanding, unless you want to say that some of the most important Christian thinkers, both past and present, "don't have any understanding of what faith actually means". Faith as belief in God despite insufficient evidence/proof is a fideistic, typically Protestant conception of faith, so its far from universally accepted, but it still has a perfectly solid pedigree in Christian theology (one can find traces of it in early Christians like Paul, Augustine, or Tertullian, its full-blown and explicit in protestant theologians like Luther and Calvin and religious philosophers like Kierkegaard and Kant, and it continues to be represented by present-day theologians like the Presuppositionalists, or even to an extent in Plantinga). Even if you disagree with this conception of faith, its not really a matter of ignorance vs. understanding, the nature of faith is a legitimate dispute within Christian theology and the philosophy of religion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 0:26:14 GMT
If you read the topic you'd see that just above this people had discussions completely insulting my and other religions and yes that's not the point of this threw at all. not really. What? They said all religions are crazy and then discussed it. So yes. |
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Post by R'Shara on Jun 1, 2017 0:26:59 GMT
Obvious troll is obvious. Go. If you read the topic you'd see that just above this people had discussions completely insulting my and other religions and yes that's not the point of this threw at all. Errrr no not really |
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 1, 2017 0:27:58 GMT
I'll just quote myself. They would really be better off to just leave the whole topic alone if this is the best writing they can do. "Yeah that's what faith is". Whoever the writer was for these conversations clearly doesn't have any understanding of what "faith" actually means and the whole message comes off as "if you do have faith you are just fooling yourself".
Don't want to get into a big theological debate here, if you really want to know what it means to "have faith" look it up yourself. The point is, like with the trans-lady they had to redact, if they don't know anything about the topic they would be better off not trying to shoehorn it into their game. So first Ryder calls her delusional for having faith and Suvi immediately agrees. To me that seemed to be the intent of the writer. Again, clearly this was written by someone with little understanding of what faith is and why people have it. If the writer can't be arsed to look beyond their own view enough to spend 5 minutes on google doing some research first they would have been better off leaving it out. And how would you describe then? Faith is belief in something with no proof. how can some one be able to justify belief among world were they can travel stars with science? |
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 1, 2017 0:29:03 GMT
What? They said all religions are crazy and then discussed it. So yes. that is not the general consensus of the arguments. ...So no |
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 1, 2017 0:29:19 GMT
Whoever the writer was for these conversations clearly doesn't have any understanding of what "faith" actually means and the whole message comes off as "if you do have faith you are just fooling yourself". Again, characterizing faith as belief in the absence of (or even contrary to) evidence doesn't necessarily betray any lack of understanding, unless you want to say that some of the most important Christian thinkers, both past and present, "don't have any understanding of what faith actually means". Faith as belief in God despite insufficient evidence/proof is a fideistic, typically Protestant conception of faith, so its far from universally accepted, but it still has a perfectly solid pedigree in Christian theology (one can find traces of it in early Christians like Paul, Augustine, or Tertullian, its full-blown and explicit in protestant theologians like Luther and Calvin and religious philosophers like Kierkegaard and Kant, and it continues to be represented by present-day theologians like the Presuppositionalists, or even to an extent in Plantinga). Even if you disagree with this conception of faith, its not really a matter of ignorance vs. understanding, the nature of faith is a legitimate dispute within Christian theology and the philosophy of religion. And did any of them say "yep we are all deluding ourselves, that's what faith is"? If not I don't see how any of that refutes my objection to the Suvi dialogue. |
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