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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 27, 2017 13:15:33 GMT
Well, I've said it before, and I will say it again. I actually think DG leaving BioWare is a good thing for the franchise. He made a lot the decisions which I personally hated, and I think anyone who still thinks of Origins as their favorite game in the series will agree. I honestly did not like him as a writer... his DA novels are terrible. Just my opinion.
I have high hopes that without his influence, the next DA installment will be amazing.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 27, 2017 13:38:19 GMT
I love DA2. But one thing it did do was actually make Mages vs Templars a thing. It was totally "whatever" in DAO for me. DAI would have been a similar "whatever" about their war without DA2. You didn't play mage Origin? In DAI was a shame how they handled it. But perhaps this is only me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2017 13:38:42 GMT
This is what I was getting at. Of course dealing with Solas is the 2nd part of DAI that was omitted from the game. You would assume, given Trespasser and the DG interview, that the next game must be about this, but several posters seem not to want it to be that way and some have even suggested that we would have to wait until DA5 for the final resolution of the Solas plot. Now resolving the Solas problem might well lead into the next chapter of the game but I want dealing with Solas specifically to be the main aim of DA4.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 27, 2017 14:09:39 GMT
This is what I was getting at. Of course dealing with Solas is the 2nd part of DAI that was omitted from the game. You would assume, given Trespasser and the DG interview, that the next game must be about this, but several posters seem not to want it to be that way and some have even suggested that we would have to wait until DA5 for the final resolution of the Solas plot. Now resolving the Solas problem might well lead into the next chapter of the game but I want dealing with Solas specifically to be the main aim of DA4. Personally I just don't see the delay happening. We're too far into the rabbit hole to just change pace or ignore the clearly established threat with possible time limit.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 27, 2017 14:33:49 GMT
Well, I've said it before, and I will say it again. I actually think DG leaving BioWare is a good thing for the franchise. He made a lot the decisions which I personally hated, and I think anyone who still thinks of Origins as their favorite game in the series will agree. I honestly did not like him as a writer... his DA novels are terrible. Just my opinion. I have high hopes that without his influence, the next DA installment will be amazing. Not agreeing or disagreeing with the larger point, but I don't think novel writing is necessarily a good indicator of someone's skill at RPG-style writing. They require very different skills. In a novel, you generally want to home in on the tightest possible plotline, and have characters make choices that feed into that plot. This sometimes results in novel writers favoring one plotline or another when they move to videogames, rather than really exposing the space of possibilities. Novel writers also have a tendency to breathe a little too much life into NPCs. Now, obviously it's good to have complex characters throughout the game, but fully exploring their complexity requires screen time, and excessive characterization bleeds screen time away from the interactive bits. There are fundamental differences between a story that's meant to be read and one that's meant to be played. Often, novelesque plotlines might seem stronger in hindsight, because they're being read back from a wiki instead of being played through interactively. Maybe that's desirable, given how fans typically consume games in the internet age: playing it a couple times, but spending most of their time looking back. But the fact remains that skill in one writing medium doesn't necessarily translate to skill in another.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 27, 2017 15:06:31 GMT
I think the fact that he lost his arm was a pretty definitive way of saying his part is over... at least as a warrior. Advisor and leader maybe.
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Post by brandoftime on Jul 27, 2017 15:54:33 GMT
I was hoping Dagna would provide a cool machine like idea. If anyone can think something up, it would be her. The fighting style could be a variant of bows, or swords, but kind of like some concept art that showed Iron Bull with a mechanical weapon attached to his missing arm . . .
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 27, 2017 16:25:14 GMT
I think the fact that he lost his arm was a pretty definitive way of saying his part is over... at least as a warrior. Advisor and leader maybe. The lead writer has already stated on his twitter that if they'd intended to get rid of the protagonist, it would NOT be through crippling them. This is supported by the fact that Iron Bull initially was supposed to lack about the same amount of arm as Inquisitor - some of his one-armed harness is still in the game as part of his armor. Given that they've kept one-armed Bull in the game until he was fully designed and playable one assumes that the main reason why he isn't one-armed were either technical issues, OR the fact that they're going to give the same disability to Inky. Basically, there are plenty of disabled protagonists out there, and if there was one hero Bioware devs have absolutely gushed about it was Furiosa... which lacked about the same amount of arm as Inky does now. In fact, we already see Inky in action without their arm here: Think how many other potential cool prosthetic arms they can have, given their access to brightest minds (like Dagna or Bianca) and most powerful magic/enchantments in known Thedas.
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Post by phoray on Jul 27, 2017 16:53:45 GMT
I love DA2. But one thing it did do was actually make Mages vs Templars a thing. It was totally "whatever" in DAO for me. DAI would have been a similar "whatever" about their war without DA2. You didn't play mage Origin? In DAI was a shame how they handled it. But perhaps this is only me. I did play it. Irving was awful and the Mages who were all for a blood magic supported coup got what they deserved. If they had rebelled to destroy the phylactery room and then flee into the countryside, it'd be one thing. Instead, they wanted to take over the tower and punish their oppressors. Was Gregoire paranoid? Ya! Did the Templars look like the bad guys in DAO? No! The ones in Lothering risked their lives to organize refugees when the usurper Monarch Loghain ditched them to the Darkspawn.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 27, 2017 17:11:40 GMT
You didn't play mage Origin? In DAI was a shame how they handled it. But perhaps this is only me. I did play it. Irving was awful and the Mages who were all for a blood magic supported coup got what they deserved. If they had rebelled to destroy the phylactery room and then flee into the countryside, it'd be one thing. Instead, they wanted to take over the tower and punish their oppressors. Was Gregoire paranoid? Ya! Did the Templars look like the bad guys in DAO? No! The ones in Lothering risked their lives to organize refugees when the usurper Monarch Loghain ditched them to the Darkspawn. I mean, I felt the tension between them, and I did all mage supporter side quests. Perhaps the "Templars" weren't bad guys (nor good), the Templar Order seems evil to me, not the persons. Later, in Awakening too. So: I wasn't surprised, when this problem emerged in DA2, in fact, I enjoyed. The Templars in the Lothering and Redcliffe were useful, but they are soldiers, to protect the people would be their natural purpose. These ones were sympathetic, of course.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 27, 2017 18:08:45 GMT
I think the fact that he lost his arm was a pretty definitive way of saying his part is over... at least as a warrior. Advisor and leader maybe. The lead writer has already stated on his twitter that if they'd intended to get rid of the protagonist, it would NOT be through crippling them. This is supported by the fact that Iron Bull initially was supposed to lack about the same amount of arm as Inquisitor - some of his one-armed harness is still in the game as part of his armor. Given that they've kept one-armed Bull in the game until he was fully designed and playable one assumes that the main reason why he isn't one-armed were either technical issues, OR the fact that they're going to give the same disability to Inky. Basically, there are plenty of disabled protagonists out there, and if there was one hero Bioware devs have absolutely gushed about it was Furiosa... which lacked about the same amount of arm as Inky does now. In fact, we already see Inky in action without their arm here: Think how many other potential cool prosthetic arms they can have, given their access to brightest minds (like Dagna or Bianca) and most powerful magic/enchantments in known Thedas. Moving the Inquisitor off the front line isn't the same as removing them from the story, which I believe is what they were referring to. I've mentioned before, I'm really intrigued by the idea of a dual protagonist scenario where the Inquisitor's portion is focused on areas other than combat. And I'm actually not particularly into the magical prosthetic idea... still seems a little contrived to me that Dagna could just whip such a thing up.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 27, 2017 18:43:56 GMT
The lead writer has already stated on his twitter that if they'd intended to get rid of the protagonist, it would NOT be through crippling them. This is supported by the fact that Iron Bull initially was supposed to lack about the same amount of arm as Inquisitor - some of his one-armed harness is still in the game as part of his armor. Given that they've kept one-armed Bull in the game until he was fully designed and playable one assumes that the main reason why he isn't one-armed were either technical issues, OR the fact that they're going to give the same disability to Inky. Basically, there are plenty of disabled protagonists out there, and if there was one hero Bioware devs have absolutely gushed about it was Furiosa... which lacked about the same amount of arm as Inky does now. In fact, we already see Inky in action without their arm here: Think how many other potential cool prosthetic arms they can have, given their access to brightest minds (like Dagna or Bianca) and most powerful magic/enchantments in known Thedas. Moving the Inquisitor off the front line isn't the same as removing them from the story, which I believe is what they were referring to. I've mentioned before, I'm really intrigued by the idea of a dual protagonist scenario where the Inquisitor's portion is focused on areas other than combat. And I'm actually not particularly into the magical prosthetic idea... still seems a little contrived to me that Dagna could just whip such a thing up. I was directly addressing them being removed from frontline. And dual protag is certainly what I'm rooting for. Also, yes, it would be a little contrived if Dagna could just 'whip' such a thing up. But we don't just have Dagna. We have access to the best and the brightest - aside from Dagna there's Bianca, there's Dorian (people may be forgetting that he's a talented inventor), there's the Formari, the Southern Mages, the resources of the Chantry and Empire, possibly even Orzammar and the amount of magical stuff and knowledge we dug up all over the continent. They can even reach for exotic solutions, given that Inquisition's men could even find a rare Rivaini medallion that they've attempted to protect Cole with - or speaking crystal. Dorian was positively gushing about how his mere connection with Inquisition lets him acquire such things. So imagine what Inquisitor could get. Dagna is hardly the only option in the picture. Inqusitor, even with Inquisition diminished, is easily the most connected and possibly one of the richest single person in Thedas.
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Post by Crom on Jul 27, 2017 23:11:22 GMT
Dorian could "fix" it with time magic, theoritically.
If they want to, they can invent lore to do anything.
However, they won't give you a crippled protagonist to play, they will find a way to restore them as a whole.
Now, saying that, i don't really care about the Inquisition or the Inquisitor any more. I didn't enjoy Inquisition's story that much to want a sequel that directly involves it, and i personally found Solas as someone uninteresting, both as a companion, and his final outcome.
I hope we get something new, new protagonist, new areas, that involves actual cities this time around. No organization that we need resources for, no power requirement to unlock quests or whatever.
If i could bring things back from Inquisition, very few things would make it.
From a mechanical standpoint, i would also ask for better gear, the trenchcoats were... meh >.>
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 2:36:31 GMT
Dorian could "fix" it with time magic, theoritically. If they want to, they can invent lore to do anything. However, they won't give you a crippled protagonist to play, they will find a way to restore them as a whole. Now, saying that, i don't really care about the Inquisition or the Inquisitor any more. I didn't enjoy Inquisition's story that much to want a sequel that directly involves it, and i personally found Solas as someone uninteresting, both as a companion, and his final outcome. I hope we get something new, new protagonist, new areas, that involves actual cities this time around. No organization that we need resources for, no power requirement to unlock quests or whatever. If i could bring things back from Inquisition, very few things would make it. From a mechanical standpoint, i would also ask for better gear, the trenchcoats were... meh >.> and more specializations options xD, the cut on that apartment has been terrible. didn't watch if someone put this up to the table (to many pages read), but in some comments around the internet, about if could be nice to have a grey warden civil war, seeing how they ended up or even how the inquisition treated them, maybe even a rebellion perhaps?
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Post by phoray on Jul 28, 2017 3:16:43 GMT
To be honest, I don't really understand the concept of a Warden Civil War.
Wardens disappear and die uninvestigated (blackwall) and you can even fake being one (thom) and I've never heard of a Grey Warden deserter but they are easily imagined. It's not like there is computer ID fingerprints and face recognition programs.
What is there to rebel against when you can leave anytime? The taint will get you eventually. And Grey Warden secrets aren't very secret.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 28, 2017 4:31:03 GMT
To be honest, I don't really understand the concept of a Warden Civil War. Wardens disappear and die uninvestigated (blackwall) and you can even fake being one (thom) and I've never heard of a Grey Warden deserter but they are easily imagined. It's not like there is computer ID fingerprints and face recognition programs. What is there to rebel against when you can leave anytime? The taint will get you eventually. And Grey Warden secrets aren't very secret. I mostly agree - but what about the idea of two "devout believers" in the cause. Neither wants to leave, but they disagree vehemently about a key tenet of the Order? That would likely lead to them cultivating followings which could escalate if leadership wasn't able to get control of the situation.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 28, 2017 8:39:18 GMT
Actually when you think about it Anders was a Grey Warden deserter. He was certainly AWOL and if you go by his short story it would seem that the Templars order were working with the Grey Wardens to keep an eye on him because they suspected he would do a bunk. In fact he admits as much to you that he does not see the Wardens as a long term commitment in Awakening. Then despite the fact that the Wardens are a military order and Duncan murdered Jordy for not wanting to take the Joining because apparently once you have agreed to join then you are not allowed to back out, we could encounter Wardens in DA2 who knew Anders and yet not once did anything come of it. So to say the running of the Order is inconsistent with what you might expect of such an organisation is something of an understatement. Plus the Chantry/Templars might have a legitimate grievance with the Wardens over their failure to control one of their mages. I think they allow the recruiting of one mage per tower on the understanding that the Warden will keep tabs on them. As for a Grey Warden civil war, that is what was being hinted at in the epilogue to the main game. At the very least something sinister was meant to be going on up at Weishauppt. Then it would appear to have amounted to nothing. In the novel Last Flight there doesn't seem anything untoward happening at Weishauppt and the ending of the novel takes place in 9:42. Then in Trespasser, when you ask about Hawke, while Varric initially doesn't seem to have heard anything and jokes about them turning up leaving destruction in their wake, in the epilogue Hawke is back in Kirkwall unscathed and no further mention made of the mission to Weishauppt. Plus if Blackwall officially joins the Grey Wardens it seem business as usual. So either that was a plot line that they subsequently decided not to pursue or the vagueness is because they do intend bringing in the trouble at Warden HQ as part of a future game. May be we will be asked to go on a rescue mission to bring out the newly discovered griffons from a war zone.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 28, 2017 10:58:54 GMT
To be honest, I don't really understand the concept of a Warden Civil War. Wardens disappear and die uninvestigated (blackwall) and you can even fake being one (thom) and I've never heard of a Grey Warden deserter but they are easily imagined. It's not like there is computer ID fingerprints and face recognition programs. What is there to rebel against when you can leave anytime? The taint will get you eventually. And Grey Warden secrets aren't very secret. So there can't be a civil war based on ideological grounds? About the direction of the order? Quite a few Wardens we meet are very dedicated and believe in their mission. Don't forget that in DAI the Wardens have almost helped Cory to unwittingly create a demon army - it's enough to give some of them pause and think there's something wrong with how things are. The intentions of some don't even have to be noble. Given what we know about Grey Wardens from Anderfels, it's possible that their internal politics aren't less complicated than those in Orlais. Also - I'm sure Weisshaupt has a few hefty secrets there. Way more than just secret of the Joining.
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Post by Avejajed on Jul 28, 2017 16:01:21 GMT
I use tapatalk (usually) so I didn't even realize there was a DA4 speculation thread already! I am so excited. Is the first post updated with everything we need to know? I haven't looked yet.
You guys I am very desperate for a new Dragon Age game or at least something official I can speculate about and hype about for awhile. I'm about to have yet ANOTHER damn baby and would love to have some DA4 news to distract me from getting done all the things I need to get done over the next couple months.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 28, 2017 16:13:06 GMT
I use tapatalk (usually) so I didn't even realize there was a DA4 speculation thread already! I am so excited. Is the first post updated with everything we need to know? I haven't looked yet. You guys I am very desperate for a new Dragon Age game or at least something official I can speculate about and hype about for awhile. I'm about to have yet ANOTHER damn baby and would love to have some DA4 news to distract me from getting done all the things I need to get done over the next couple months. BioFan made a video as basically a summary of information from Bioware. It's in another thread so here you go
The news lowdown on EVERYTHING we know about Dragon Age 4 including details on where the plot is going, what was learned from previous games, developer interviews, etc.
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Post by eriador117 on Jul 28, 2017 17:25:44 GMT
I've just been replaying DA2 and did Night Terrors. Now I want something I never knew I wanted in DA4, Feynriel in Tevinter and as romance companion, now that he'll be grown up a bit by the time Da4 comes out in
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 28, 2017 20:36:29 GMT
I've just been replaying DA2 and did Night Terrors. Now I want something I never knew I wanted in DA4, Feynriel in Tevinter and as romance companion, now that he'll be grown up a bit by the time Da4 comes out in Considering that Feynriel has many quantum states and may not end up in Tevinter I wouldn't count on him being present in DA4 :/
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Post by shechinah on Jul 28, 2017 20:43:21 GMT
Considering that Feynriel has many quantum states and may not end up in Tevinter I wouldn't count on him being present in DA4 :/ While I don't think Feynriel will be a companion, I think we might see a cameo from him as we have had cameos of determinant characters before.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 29, 2017 1:09:27 GMT
Considering that Feynriel has many quantum states and may not end up in Tevinter I wouldn't count on him being present in DA4 :/ While I don't think Feynriel will be a companion, I think we might see a cameo from him as we have had cameos of determinant characters before. True, but if it happens, it'd likely be 'blink and you miss it' kind of thing.
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