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Post by midnight tea on Sept 10, 2017 0:09:55 GMT
midnight tea Hence my asking you what you would consider an argument. And for someone who is "not here to pick on you" you certainly have resorted to a lot of personal insults. ...What personal insults ? I'm not the one here acting aggressively towards anyone who said anything you don't like, calling people hypocrites and whatnot. Please stop projecting on me and calm down. Until that happens, best we talk about something else.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 10, 2017 0:17:09 GMT
What are the chances we'd see lands either outside or on the borders of known world, now that the eluvian network is active? Or what are the chances we'd see people from those parts? Do you think Executors might be from those lands?
If I recall correctly, there's a mysterious island called Par Liiren (??? Not sure, gotta check in WOT 2 where it's mentioned) that is supposed to be a home of advanced society, isolated from the rest of the world with... a wall? A force-field?
I wonder whether they'd become relevant or how soon.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2017 0:17:44 GMT
midnight tea Hence my asking you what you would consider an argument. And for someone who is "not here to pick on you" you certainly have resorted to a lot of personal insults. ...What personal insults ? I'm not the one here acting aggressively towards anyone who said anything you don't like, calling people hypocrites and whatnot. Please stop projecting on me and calm down. Until that happens, best we talk about something else. I've been calm the entire time. But I agree it's best we drop this.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 10, 2017 0:22:33 GMT
What are the chances we'd see lands either outside or on the borders of known world, now that the eluvian network is active? Or what are the chances we'd see people from those parts? Do you think Executors might be from those lands? If I recall correctly, there's a mysterious island called Par Liiren (??? Not sure, gotta check in WOT 2 where it's mentioned) that is supposed to be a home of advanced society, isolated from the rest of the world with... a wall? A force-field? I wonder whether they'd become relevant or how soon. Possibly, but I don't think so. I think if we were to have any of the cultures not on Thedas arrive it would be next game or in a DLC setting up the next game since DA4 will be busy. Not that I don't welcome it. Maybe if introduced this game we will be able to play as them next game. That opens up new CC options like being able to be akin to East Asians. You're thinking of Par Ladi.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 10, 2017 0:27:38 GMT
What are the chances we'd see lands either outside or on the borders of known world, now that the eluvian network is active? Or what are the chances we'd see people from those parts? Do you think Executors might be from those lands? If I recall correctly, there's a mysterious island called Par Liiren (??? Not sure, gotta check in WOT 2 where it's mentioned) that is supposed to be a home of advanced society, isolated from the rest of the world with... a wall? A force-field? I wonder whether they'd become relevant or how soon. Possibly, but I don't think so. I think if we were to have any of the cultures not on Thedas arrive it would be next game or in a DLC setting up the next game since DA4 will be busy. Not that I don't welcome it. Maybe if introduced this game we will be able to play as them next game. That opens up new CC options like being able to be akin to East Asians. You're thinking of Par Ladi. Yep, that's what it was. There's a list someone did on reddit of lands Thedas is somewhat aware of: Sunless LandsProbably the South Pole of Thedas Inhabitants: the Agadi/Exiled that are at odds and bitter with the Chasind (Possibly Related to Chasind) Viridis
Sounds like the Amazon of Thedas with it's tropical climate Inhabitants: lotsa dangerous critters (chimeras and dragons) Vashoth/Outland Qunari Par Ladi
One of the Largest Boeric Islands Inhabitants: Parladians Have gold bling & Architecture to Rival Tevinter Speaks an unknown (not common language) Doesn't want anything to do with rest of Thedas Has witches and culture similar to Rivani seers Volca Sea/ Voshai
Traded with a western Anderfels port called "Laysh" Suddenly stopped visiting Laysh after 3rd blight and cut off all contact Dwarves were really important in their society and it's noted all ship captains were dwarves Seems to have no elves on their ships, just Dwarves and Humans Lyrium possibly doesn't exist in their land as they were obsessed with obtaining lyrium when they visited Possibly had a Cataclysm and disappeared but this is rumored Possibly where the Hero of Ferelden went (?) Amaranth
The climate/land is a "paradise"? but no sentient life or creatures larger than birds All attempts to colonize there have been disaterous There's only been one survivor living in an attempted colony that eventually went insane
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Post by simit on Sept 10, 2017 1:00:57 GMT
If im brutally honest about the DA series an it future, if Anthem the direction BioWare want to go with there games an they dont ditch there current series i think DA could benefit turning into like a Guild Wars type adventure.
If DA4 plays it safe with create character, gather companions, quest n done like every other game i'll (like last few BioWare games) be disappointed but it DA so i still buy n prob enjoy, hope they dont play it safe though an i guess the DA team is the one to try new things in there series if sorta safe new lol
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 10, 2017 1:59:38 GMT
What are the chances we'd see lands either outside or on the borders of known world, now that the eluvian network is active? Or what are the chances we'd see people from those parts? Do you think Executors might be from those lands? If I recall correctly, there's a mysterious island called Par Liiren (??? Not sure, gotta check in WOT 2 where it's mentioned) that is supposed to be a home of advanced society, isolated from the rest of the world with... a wall? A force-field? I wonder whether they'd become relevant or how soon. The people I'm dying to learn about about the Voshai - traders from beyond the Volca Sea who used to do commerce with the Anderfels until they suddenly stopped coming early in the Black Age. According to legend they were really interested in lyrium, and all of their ships were captained by dwarves, who were treated with great deference by the humans in the crew. Dwarves! Dwarves from beyond the ocean! Who appear to have suffered some mysterious cataclysm! Unless they suddenly didn't need lyrium from Thedas any more ...
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 10, 2017 2:25:26 GMT
What are the chances we'd see lands either outside or on the borders of known world, now that the eluvian network is active? Or what are the chances we'd see people from those parts? Do you think Executors might be from those lands? If I recall correctly, there's a mysterious island called Par Liiren (??? Not sure, gotta check in WOT 2 where it's mentioned) that is supposed to be a home of advanced society, isolated from the rest of the world with... a wall? A force-field? I wonder whether they'd become relevant or how soon. The people I'm dying to learn about about the Voshai - traders from beyond the Volca Sea who used to do commerce with the Anderfels until they suddenly stopped coming early in the Black Age. According to legend they were really interested in lyrium, and all of their ships were captained by dwarves, who were treated with great deference by the humans in the crew. Dwarves! Dwarves from beyond the ocean! Who appear to have suffered some mysterious cataclysm! Unless they suddenly didn't need lyrium from Thedas any more ... I'm intrigued by all these lands. Why is Amaranth apparently a paradise, but nothing beyond small creatures lives there and people go insane? Are these lands magic? Non-magic? Why no elves among Voshai? Is the Sunless land sunless because it's this close to the Thedosian south pole or is there some other reason? Why do I think of Japan when I think of Par Ladi (probably the isolation)? Are Viridis inhabited by Vashoth... or kossith?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 10, 2017 2:25:27 GMT
Damn, I really need to get my hands on a World of Thedas book...
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Post by davesin on Sept 10, 2017 9:38:23 GMT
Concerning background of our next hero, I think (well, I HOPE) this will be the first DA game where Bioware will break their "the next protagonist must be from country we visited in previous game" pattern. Seriously, is there anyone who wants to play as someone with Orlaisian accent?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 10, 2017 13:21:50 GMT
In view of the heated nature of the debate over Calpernia I will simply point out that regardless of how any of us view her, what you need to consider is how the writers portray her and they clearly want you to see her in a sympathetic light. This is reinforced by her entry in WoT2 and the fact that they leave her fate open to question, suggests that they might be considering bringing her back.
Also, it is noticeable on the CoJ path that if you let her go her own way after confronting her with the evidence about Corypheus, Dorian approves of your action and says that "Tevinter could do with more people like her". So the Tevinter good guy who has had us going round killing off former colleagues who joined the Venatori, thinks that Calpernia is okay once her eyes have been opened.
So whilst you may think she is a black hearted fiend, clearly the writers do not.
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 13:26:20 GMT
On the matter of the next Archon: KEEPING the current Archon should also be a choice. Just as we have the option of keeping Celene. I would expect DA4 to actually help me understand the true politics of who I choose as well. Getting to talk to each candidate individually on their balconies was great. Bhelen vs harrowmont was great. We even got a whole side quest with Anora, and had traveled extensively with Alistair. But I still don't truly understand the choice tween The Outcasts and the Collective. It's like "brutal peacekeeping vs ????? with a hint of charm." Also, meh on the idea that leading a slave rebellion isn't in the cards and that, instead, all we get to do is VOTE IN someone who MAY give better rights to slaves. That lack of storyline won't keep me from buying the game, but I'll be sorely disappointed. Slavery has touched every single installment, and now we finally get to go to the heart of the place and they're going to ignore it?
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 13:28:15 GMT
Even if they super oppress the non-mage people into positions equal to or worse than the worst of the Circles? According to Dorian, the fate of the slaves not that bad in Thevinter, some of them live as a family member... You naughty devil's advocate, you don't believe a word of it. I know you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 13:38:03 GMT
Well DA is moving from a dark fantasy to a white knight fantasy so, as far as choices and impact, i don't expect much, of course this is pure speculation tho.
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 14:13:05 GMT
Also... Neither Dorian or Mae seem in any way interested in the job of being Archon whereas Calpernia desperately wants to make her mark. Although sometimes the people who don't want the job are the best in that they seem to have the best hearts, that doesn't make them leaders. My first game, I didn't make Alistair King because he honestly loved what he did- being a Grey Warden. And to take something a man loves from him sounds rather sad. Dorian didn't even want to be a magister.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 10, 2017 14:26:44 GMT
Also... Neither Dorian or Mae seem in any way interested in the job of being Archon whereas Calpernia desperately wants to make her mark. Although sometimes the people who don't want the job are the best in that they seem to have the best hearts, that doesn't make them leaders. My first game, I didn't make Alistair King because he honestly loved what he did- being a Grey Warden. And to take something a man loves from him sounds rather sad. Dorian didn't even want to be a magister.As I see, he want to serve his homeland, at any cost, this is why he went home, and left his lover. I don't see, that he have any problem with becoming a Magister.
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 14:32:40 GMT
Also... Neither Dorian or Mae seem in any way interested in the job of being Archon whereas Calpernia desperately wants to make her mark. Although sometimes the people who don't want the job are the best in that they seem to have the best hearts, that doesn't make them leaders. My first game, I didn't make Alistair King because he honestly loved what he did- being a Grey Warden. And to take something a man loves from him sounds rather sad. Dorian didn't even want to be a magister.As I see, he want to serve his homeland, at any cost, this is why he went home, and left his lover. I don't see, that he have any problem with becoming a Magister. Really? His years and years of being an alcoholic while he went from one "friend's" bed to another was only because his father wanted to hide his being gay? And his father wasn't at all wrapped up in his magister job, and his magister friends, and his magister EXPECTATIONS of his son to not only become one himself but father a child and continue the MAGISTER lineage?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 10, 2017 14:41:10 GMT
As I see, he want to serve his homeland, at any cost, this is why he went home, and left his lover. I don't see, that he have any problem with becoming a Magister. Really? His years and years of being an alcoholic while he went from one "friend's" bed to another was only because his father wanted to hide his being gay? And his father wasn't at all wrapped up in his magister job, and his magister friends, and his magister EXPECTATIONS of his son to not only become one himself but father a child and continue the MAGISTER lineage? He has problem with the forced marriage, and his father's act with blood magic for change his sexuality, not with the Magisterium. This two is different. His father wanted him to continue the Pavus blood line with forced marriage.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 10, 2017 14:42:52 GMT
Well DA is moving from a dark fantasy to a white knight fantasy so, as far as choices and impact, i don't expect much, of course this is pure speculation tho. Choice-impact isn't the problem here. Just look at DAI epilogues. The real problem is the lack of dark themes and fear of political correctness
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 14:46:31 GMT
Really? His years and years of being an alcoholic while he went from one "friend's" bed to another was only because his father wanted to hide his being gay? And his father wasn't at all wrapped up in his magister job, and his magister friends, and his magister EXPECTATIONS of his son to not only become one himself but father a child and continue the MAGISTER lineage? He has problem with the forced marriage, and his father's act with blood magic for change his sexuality, not with the Magisterium. This two is different. His father wanted him to continue the Pavus blood line with forced marriage. I expect Dorian to be human and the shades tween one and other be blurry considering the emotions involved.
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Post by witchcocktor on Sept 10, 2017 14:51:51 GMT
There's too many things for DA4 to solve, I'm afraid it'll be DA:I all over again where there's just, WAY TOO MANY THINGS. I'm worried, DA4 will be hectic unless they are going to purely focus on a few plot points and leave the rest for DA4 DLC and DA5.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 10, 2017 14:54:09 GMT
He has problem with the forced marriage, and his father's act with blood magic for change his sexuality, not with the Magisterium. This two is different. His father wanted him to continue the Pavus blood line with forced marriage. I expect Dorian to be human and the shades tween one and other be blurry considering the emotions involved. Then why he chose this way (he chose, nobody forced that)? He want to change his homeland's politics, he feel duty for it.
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 15:00:50 GMT
I expect Dorian to be human and the shades tween one and other be blurry considering the emotions involved. Then why he chose this way (he chose, nobody forced that)? He want to change his homeland's politics, he feel duty for it. He's duty bound to try but that does not mean he wants to be Archon or would be happy being Archon. I'm sure Dorian would be just as pleased to work closely with an Archon that shared his views.
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Post by phoray on Sept 10, 2017 15:02:10 GMT
Really? His years and years of being an alcoholic while he went from one "friend's" bed to another was only because his father wanted to hide his being gay? And his father wasn't at all wrapped up in his magister job, and his magister friends, and his magister EXPECTATIONS of his son to not only become one himself but father a child and continue the MAGISTER lineage? Don't know if you are kidding or not but what does young Dorian's drinking and sleeping around have to do with being a responsible magister in the present and future of his life? He left his home and turned his back on his family to help his friend, stop his former mentor and to do what is right and then joined the inquisition - that takes guts and a strong character. In Trespasser he is going back to fulfill his duty to his family and country and to try to make things better- an admirable quality. If I am not mistaken. My point is that "magisters and their reponsibilities" made him miserable for at least a decade. And his love of his country is the only thing that has dragged him into the magisterium, not a innate desire to be one.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 10, 2017 15:03:26 GMT
Really? His years and years of being an alcoholic while he went from one "friend's" bed to another was only because his father wanted to hide his being gay? And his father wasn't at all wrapped up in his magister job, and his magister friends, and his magister EXPECTATIONS of his son to not only become one himself but father a child and continue the MAGISTER lineage? He has problem with the forced marriage, and his father's act with blood magic for change his sexuality, not with the Magisterium. This two is different. His father wanted him to continue the Pavus blood line with forced marriage. If Halward and Dorian's mother (her name escapes me at the moment) were really so obsessed with status, lineage, and the duty to give the Imperium more desperately needed mages, I wonder why they stopped at just one child. Sure they hated each other, but it's not like they couldn't:
1. Have Halward do his business in a cup and magically freeze it.
2. Hand off said cup, or have a servant do it.
3. Mama Pavus inserts the contents, and viola! Spare to the Heir .
Maybe the Pavus' were only paying lip service to the Tevinter Ideal. Or maybe Dorian broke them . It would not surprise me if we encounter Magisters who do engage in this sort of thing. If Dorian is an Advisor and present for such a conversation, I expect him to snark how the creation of more mages is one thing, the raising of them is an entirely different matter .
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