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Post by formerfiend on Sept 22, 2017 17:24:41 GMT
so Cory grafts it to his form as it gives him more power? When he sees Bianca he chapechanges to trick her or is that another mage(wiki)? We see Corypheus resurrect from a Warden at the Temple of Mythal and he has the rocky implants in his face as his body reforms - they're visible before his skin is. So it's not that he has to manually reimplant them after each death which would make some degree of sense.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 22, 2017 20:12:52 GMT
I am sure that is the reason for the colour. However, it doesn't explain why it changes colour. Normally a magical item would stay the same colour no matter who is using it but that magical item seemed to change according to the wielder.
I've previously suggested that perhaps it is drawing its power from somewhere else and the source of the power alters according to the wielder, so it is red when Corypheus uses it because he is channelling Blight (Void) magic and green when the Inquisitor uses it because they are channelling Fade magic. This is only a personal theory though.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 22, 2017 21:04:57 GMT
Anyone else get the feeling that DA4 will be either the second best or the worst DA game? And by worst, I mean a goddamn garbage that is not up for any debate.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 22, 2017 22:21:03 GMT
I am sure that is the reason for the colour. However, it doesn't explain why it changes colour. Normally a magical item would stay the same colour no matter who is using it but that magical item seemed to change according to the wielder. I've previously suggested that perhaps it is drawing its power from somewhere else and the source of the power alters according to the wielder, so it is red when Corypheus uses it because he is channelling Blight (Void) magic and green when the Inquisitor uses it because they are channelling Fade magic. This is only a personal theory though. It changes color when it's under Cory's Blight magic control. Once the control starts slipping, we can see that the green/golden light shining through the red, even before Inky yanks it from Cory's grasp. Just watch the orb:
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 22, 2017 22:29:39 GMT
Anyone else get the feeling that DA4 will be either the second best or the worst DA game? And by worst, I mean a goddamn garbage that is not up for any debate. While hoping for the best, I'm trying not to predict the game's quality or how much I'll like it. Mike Laidlaw in recent interview seemed pretty confident though that with the hurdles of migrating on Frostbite and experience they gained will let them craft a stronger game overall. ... Although I wouldn't be terribly surprised that anything Bioware releases - or anything that ain't close to perfect - will be 'goddamn garbage' for some.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 22, 2017 23:05:12 GMT
Anyone else get the feeling that DA4 will be either the second best or the worst DA game? And by worst, I mean a goddamn garbage that is not up for any debate. I don't think the DA games will get any worse, if only because I never found any of them egregiously bad. At worst, they've just been sort of sloppy and boring. Take Inquisition - I didn't find it unplayably awful, just mediocre overall, with the good parts buried and diluted by a bunch of blandness. Worst case scenario, I imagine DA4 will be more of the same. Which would be disappointing, but I don't think it'd tank the franchise. So, no, I don't think it'll end up as "goddamn garbage." And I mean, I'm not going to rule out the possibility that it'll be great - it very well could be. Not gonna bet any money on it, though. I got my hopes up for Inquisition and they were pretty dashed, so I don't think Bioware's learning any lessons here. Though on the other hand, I feel like Trespasser addressed a lot of the issues I had with the base game. And hopefully the gap between games will let them buff up the writing. That's all I really care about, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 0:48:09 GMT
Anyone else get the feeling that DA4 will be either the second best or the worst DA game? And by worst, I mean a goddamn garbage that is not up for any debate. I honestly think it's going to be the best one yet, but I'm also one of those wacky people who thinks the games keep getting better and better.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 23, 2017 4:08:29 GMT
Anyone else get the feeling that DA4 will be either the second best or the worst DA game? And by worst, I mean a goddamn garbage that is not up for any debate. I don't think it's going to be that bad but I do have concerns that I'm going to hate it. But that's all subjective based on personal hang-ups I have in regards to the story.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 23, 2017 12:54:05 GMT
Exactly; I totally saw that. Which is why I pose the question, why does that happen? The orb originally belonged to Solas and he does not use Blight magic, so it would seem that Corypheus was able to change it from its original source of power and that is where the Inquisitor returns it at the end, before it is shattered by the strain of the forces upon it.
That is a very unusual property for a magical item, to have the nature of its power altered by the wielder. This is the opposite to what is usually the case in that if you do not share the source of power then you cannot use it. For example, only a blood mage can wield certain blood magic items. It is something I would liked to have asked Solas but sadly we were only allowed a limited interrogation of our magical expert.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 12:58:51 GMT
Well, until 2019 (and who knows maybe even 2020, yes six years) we still have a long wait, the only thing we can do it's pray to the Maker.
But i agree with all, some times, smells bad, and some times, you can see there is potential to do something great.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 23, 2017 13:09:26 GMT
Exactly; I totally saw that. Which is why I pose the question, why does that happen? The orb originally belonged to Solas and he does not use Blight magic, so it would seem that Corypheus was able to change it from its original source of power and that is where the Inquisitor returns it at the end, before it is shattered by the strain of the forces upon it. That is a very unusual property for a magical item, to have the nature of its power altered by the wielder. This is the opposite to what is usually the case in that if you do not share the source of power then you cannot use it. For example, only a blood mage can wield certain blood magic items. It is something I would liked to have asked Solas but sadly we were only allowed a limited interrogation of our magical expert. No, the point is he doesn't change the original color. The original color is always the green/golden glow and it's always there. Corypheus simply subdues it with his red Blight magic - visually, that's what it's supposed to represent. He doesn't change the magic per se, as much as his magic allows him to wring at least some of the orb's secrets and power, but he never manages to truly own or corrupt it. This is why we see the green glow peeking from underneath the red when Corypheus weakens and starts to lose control over it. Also - the green/golden magic is the origin of the Anchor. The orb is either what stored or created it. The Anchor is green because of it - not the other way around.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 23, 2017 13:26:11 GMT
Oh yes, the anchor definitely has its origins in the orb. That is why Solas says it rightly belongs to him and so only he could wield it safely. I wonder if the ritual that Corypheus speaks of at Haven was to try and make the anchor compatible with his magic so it would fuse to him.
What seems strange is that the original breach would appear to have been caused by the unlocking of the orb combined with the anchor fusing to the Inquisitor. Thereafter, it is the anchor that has the power to control the Breach and the smaller rifts, yet at the end Corypheus uses the orb to open up another Breach. This is odd as you would have thought he would have needed to anchor to do so, since that is the "key" that unlocks the door. Solas definitely says he would have used the anchor to enter the Fade and then the orb to tear down the Veil from that side. So the orb on its own could not allow entry to the Fade (or Corypheus would already have used it for that) and the power that had built up over millennia had already been released on the first explosion, so what Corypheus did at the end technically should not have been possible. Clearly something was going on with the Blight magic that overcame its limitations.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 23, 2017 13:32:22 GMT
I will say the next DA game will do extremely well. I also say that all folks who played trespasser will either preorder the game or buy it the first week its released. Everyone wants to see/know what Solas will do, and what characters, besides Solas, return from the previous 3 DA games.
I know I'm preordering the game.
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 23, 2017 17:20:21 GMT
I do have to admit, though, that EA's treatment of Andromeda's got me a bit worried. I still haven't picked it up, and at this point I don't really intend to (I was never a huge Mass Effect fan anyway), but the fact that EA shelved the franchise despite it having a lot of hanging threads makes me anxious that they'll do the same to DA. So I hope it sells well, simply because I'd like to actually know how things shake out. Reading about it in a novel - one that's probably locked to choices I didn't make - doesn't sound fun.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 23, 2017 17:49:25 GMT
I know I'm not pre-ordering DA4.
Most of my main "I will not buy this game if they do this" issues are stuff we'll likely know before release - is the Inquisitor the PC again, is Cole a party member again, things like that. But there's one thing that I'll almost certainly have to wait until after release to find out; whether or not we get to kill Solas.
I have no intention of wasting $60-$70 on a game where I don't get to chop his head off and mount it on a pike.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 23, 2017 19:10:42 GMT
I will say the next DA game will do extremely well. I also say that all folks who played trespasser will either preorder the game or buy it the first week its released. Everyone wants to see/know what Solas will do, and what characters, besides Solas, return from the previous 3 DA games. I know I'm preordering the game. Oh, I'm pre-ordering one. It's one of those rare games I will, even if I won't like it, for whatever reason (I hope I do tho). I sit in DA forum and speculate about lore and story too much to not buy the game on the basis of simple curiosity as to where is this thing going or how is it going to end.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 23, 2017 19:13:31 GMT
So I have a question for those lore experts. Not sure if I have it right, probably not- but at the end of Trespasser Solas took Mythal. So is Solas gathering the Evanuris into himself? We don't really know what happened in post-epilogue scene, but I don't think 'Solas gathering Evanuris into himself' is what happened - he seemed to have taken a specific power of sorts, but we don't yet know what that is.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 23, 2017 19:31:18 GMT
We don't really know what happened in post-epilogue scene, but I don't think 'Solas gathering Evanuris into himself' is what happened - he seemed to have taken a specific power of sorts, but we don't yet know what that is. Thank you! I was wrong then, I thought the Evanuris are the elven gods. I was thinking maybe they were not dead and he was taking their souls, powers, selves. Then Mythal may still be alive. Er... the Evanuris are elven gods? But I'm not sure what their godhood or them being alive has with the idea that Solas is absorbing them, even fi it isn't what happens? Also - from what Solas said in Trespsser it would appear that they are alive in some fashion, but trapped somewhere. Mythal isn't among them because she was killed by other Evanuis, only for a small piece to crawl back to the world of living and offer symbiotic relationship to Flemeth. And, in truth, we don't really know what happened to her after Solas took her power.
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Post by mattjamho on Sept 23, 2017 22:59:17 GMT
I know I'm not pre-ordering DA4. Most of my main "I will not buy this game if they do this" issues are stuff we'll likely know before release - is the Inquisitor the PC again, is Cole a party member again, things like that. But there's one thing that I'll almost certainly have to wait until after release to find out; whether or not we get to kill Solas. I have no intention of wasting $60-$70 on a game where I don't get to chop his head off and mount it on a pike. I'd be surprised to see Cole as a party member again, his two epilogue slides were very different, which would take a far bit of explaining/rewriting to give him just one narrative. I honestly don't want any of the previous companions back in the party. Sure, have them as important NPCs if it makes sense for the setting and story, Dorian for example, but please no more old faces. We'll (hopefully) be in a brand new place in Thedas, give me new characters! Minor comic spoilers I can see some of the characters from the comics as part of the new team. Marius and Tessa are from Tevinter right? They have unfinished business with the Archon, and are already acquainted with Dorian. Vaea and her Knight are heading to Tevinter as well. I think it's pretty obvious some of them will be companions again.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 23, 2017 23:16:41 GMT
Exactly; I totally saw that. Which is why I pose the question, why does that happen? The orb originally belonged to Solas and he does not use Blight magic, so it would seem that Corypheus was able to change it from its original source of power and that is where the Inquisitor returns it at the end, before it is shattered by the strain of the forces upon it. That is a very unusual property for a magical item, to have the nature of its power altered by the wielder. This is the opposite to what is usually the case in that if you do not share the source of power then you cannot use it. For example, only a blood mage can wield certain blood magic items. It is something I would liked to have asked Solas but sadly we were only allowed a limited interrogation of our magical expert. Hey, here's another possible explanation. Remember that Solas explained that the orbs were foci? He goes on to explain that they were a way to channel magic (which is basically the definition of the singular form of foci, 'focus'). So it's a way to focus the power you already have access to. Solas' explanation for a non-elven Inquisitor: "They were foci, used to channel ancient magics. I have seen such things in the Fade. Old memories of older magic. Corypheus may think it Tevinter. His empire's magic was built on the bones of my people. Knowing or not, he risks our alliance. I cannot allow it." Solas' explanation for an elven Inquisitor: "Such things were foci, said to channel power from our gods. Some were dedicated to specific members of our pantheon. All that remains are references in ruins, and faint visions of memory in the Fade, echoes of a dead empire. But however Corypheus came to it, the orb is elven, and with it, he threatens the heart of human faith." Corypheus draws on the power of the Blight, so when he focuses his power on the Orb it makes sense that it would be red for red lyrium/Blight magic. And the Inquisitor is evidently drawing on the power of the Fade (the same power Solas draws upon), so it's green for the Inquisitor. It makes sense to me.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 24, 2017 1:18:47 GMT
I know I'm not pre-ordering DA4. Most of my main "I will not buy this game if they do this" issues are stuff we'll likely know before release - is the Inquisitor the PC again, is Cole a party member again, things like that. But there's one thing that I'll almost certainly have to wait until after release to find out; whether or not we get to kill Solas. I have no intention of wasting $60-$70 on a game where I don't get to chop his head off and mount it on a pike. I'd be surprised to see Cole as a party member again, his two epilogue slides were very different, which would take a far bit of explaining/rewriting to give him just one narrative. I honestly don't want any of the previous companions back in the party. Sure, have them as important NPCs if it makes sense for the setting and story, Dorian for example, but please no more old faces. We'll (hopefully) be in a brand new place in Thedas, give me new characters! Minor comic spoilers I can see some of the characters from the comics as part of the new team. Marius and Tessa are from Tevinter right? They have unfinished business with the Archon, and are already acquainted with Dorian. Vaea and her Knight are heading to Tevinter as well. I think it's pretty obvious some of them will be companions again. I don't think it's likely but it's been pointed out that if a companion was to return, Cole would be the most likely; he can't' be killed off and he isn't romanceable so no one's going to complain about him showing up with the Inquisitor. The other two options that fit those criteria are Vivienne & Varric but Viv can become Divine and Varric's been done once already and seems settled in as Viscount. And the fact that Cole can simply not be recruited also doesn't prevent him from knowing what's going on since he wipes your memory of him in that case and conceivably could still hang around after that without your knowing about it. To be sure, I don't want any returning companions either. It's one I hope they break because I haven't been satisfied with it yet; they reset my Warden's approval with Oghren in Awakening making him go from my Warden's best friend to borderline stranger in six months, and Awakening Oghren is a pain in the ass to maintain approval with. Justice and Anders ruined each other. And Inquisition really made me turn on Varric. And I hate Cole so the fact that he's the one viable option to return makes me really hope they don't do this again. But it's not like they haven't ignored epilogues to bring back a character before; see Oghren & Anders/Justice.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 24, 2017 1:35:23 GMT
I don't think it's likely but it's been pointed out that if a companion was to return, Cole would be the most likely; he can't' be killed off and he isn't romanceable so no one's going to complain about him showing up with the Inquisitor. The other two options that fit those criteria are Vivienne & Varric but Viv can become Divine and Varric's been done once already and seems settled in as Viscount. And the fact that Cole can simply not be recruited also doesn't prevent him from knowing what's going on since he wipes your memory of him in that case and conceivably could still hang around after that without your knowing about it. To be sure, I don't want any returning companions either. It's one I hope they break because I haven't been satisfied with it yet; they reset my Warden's approval with Oghren in Awakening making him go from my Warden's best friend to borderline stranger in six months, and Awakening Oghren is a pain in the ass to maintain approval with. Justice and Anders ruined each other. And Inquisition really made me turn on Varric. And I hate Cole so the fact that he's the one viable option to return makes me really hope they don't do this again. But it's not like they haven't ignored epilogues to bring back a character before; see Oghren & Anders/Justice. Cole ends up with Maryden if made human. That of course doesn't mean he won't be back anyhow. If they want to, they will bring people back one way or another - but so far the one person that seems fairly certain to show up (but likely not as companion, but maybe in adviser role) is Dorian, so is Cassandra. She may have different endings, buts she always shows up in post-epilogue scene in Trespasser, with Leliana and Harding.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 24, 2017 2:03:57 GMT
I don't think it's likely but it's been pointed out that if a companion was to return, Cole would be the most likely; he can't' be killed off and he isn't romanceable so no one's going to complain about him showing up with the Inquisitor. The other two options that fit those criteria are Vivienne & Varric but Viv can become Divine and Varric's been done once already and seems settled in as Viscount. And the fact that Cole can simply not be recruited also doesn't prevent him from knowing what's going on since he wipes your memory of him in that case and conceivably could still hang around after that without your knowing about it. To be sure, I don't want any returning companions either. It's one I hope they break because I haven't been satisfied with it yet; they reset my Warden's approval with Oghren in Awakening making him go from my Warden's best friend to borderline stranger in six months, and Awakening Oghren is a pain in the ass to maintain approval with. Justice and Anders ruined each other. And Inquisition really made me turn on Varric. And I hate Cole so the fact that he's the one viable option to return makes me really hope they don't do this again. But it's not like they haven't ignored epilogues to bring back a character before; see Oghren & Anders/Justice. Cole ends up with Maryden if made human. That of course doesn't mean he won't be back anyhow. If they want to, they will bring people back one way or another - but so far the one person that seems fairly certain to show up (but likely not as companion, but maybe in adviser role) is Dorian, so is Cassandra. She may have different endings, buts he always shows up in post-epilogue scene in Trespasser, with Leliana and Harding. Yeah, I agree Dorian is all-but-certain to be around in some capacity. And from Mike's comments, Harding is pretty much a shoe-in to be in the next game. Jesse Hicks @piet_DepsiIf you were to bring one DA companion back as a companion in DA4, who would it be? Would really love your opinion. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawCan I say Harding? I think I’d say Harding. This all depends on the existence of a DA4, however.
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Post by mattjamho on Sept 24, 2017 8:17:20 GMT
Cole ends up with Maryden if made human. That of course doesn't mean he won't be back anyhow. If they want to, they will bring people back one way or another - but so far the one person that seems fairly certain to show up (but likely not as companion, but maybe in adviser role) is Dorian, so is Cassandra. She may have different endings, buts he always shows up in post-epilogue scene in Trespasser, with Leliana and Harding. Yeah, I agree Dorian is all-but-certain to be around in some capacity. And from Mike's comments, Harding is pretty much a shoe-in to be in the next game. Jesse Hicks @piet_DepsiIf you were to bring one DA companion back as a companion in DA4, who would it be? Would really love your opinion. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawCan I say Harding? I think I’d say Harding. This all depends on the existence of a DA4, however. I'd be happier with a character like Harding making a return as a companion, there are things to learn about her and character development to happen. Plus she'd be a good perspective in the group on Tevinter depravity, seeing it with southern eyes.
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Post by phoray on Sept 24, 2017 12:51:09 GMT
Harding and Dorian would be non romanceable, though. I liked Harding after her Jaws of Hakkon dialogue
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