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Post by wickedcool on Sept 26, 2017 15:05:17 GMT
Eluvians could replace camps but most likely have to clear out areas around them first. Almost like new star gates
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Post by Solas on Sept 26, 2017 15:48:23 GMT
If its similiar to dai I wonder how they will divide the regions What will be the da4 hinterlands, stormcoast etc Will eluvians be a way of fast travel? When I think of tevinter I always think of the city but never the countryside Could seheron be a starting point as it seems to allow all races to have a part in the game if it's Tevinter or mostly Tevinter, broadly you could do it like.. - Minrathous (but hopefully decently-realized, not the limited Val Royeaux of DA:I) - some of the smaller named settlements - Arlathan Forest (I'd sacrifice a child or two to go here. Same goes for the Tirashan but that isn't in Tevinter) - the Silent Plains - the High Reaches - maybe the Valarian Fields - some "new" areas, like how Crestwood and the Fallow Mire for example weren't on the player-known Thedas map pre-DA:I - Seheron spitballing for fun.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 26, 2017 18:34:30 GMT
So I'm not remiss to believe that I'm not the only one that hopes armor is done better and has more variety, right?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 26, 2017 18:36:35 GMT
So I'm not remiss to believe that I'm not the only one that hopes armor is done better and has more variety, right? *Looks at all her armor mods* No, you are certainly not alone.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2017 18:56:37 GMT
So I'm not remiss to believe that I'm not the only one that hopes armor is done better and has more variety, right? Well, I do hope we'd at least have access to tinting table from the start. And aside from increased variety, I'd appreciate if some of the armors or its elements were better tailored to available character models, so we wouldn't end up with PC/companions suddenly changing from bulky to lean when we put certain gear, or for female elves to suddenly gain elephant legs once we attach some leg mods to armor on and so on. I think there's more than a small chance that there would be improvements, considering that now they don't have to create models from a scratch and have experience with Frostbite, but one can never tell what will take priority and what won't. The fact that we'd likely be playing multiple races, unless things change with how it's done from programming side, means that they'd have to work to scale all the gear models to available races and genders so that in itself will take working hours from designing new armor. Unless all races/genders will have mostly separately designed gear.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 26, 2017 19:30:56 GMT
So I'm not remiss to believe that I'm not the only one that hopes armor is done better and has more variety, right? I just hope they won't take away certain options from us again. Seeing NPCs in armors we used to wear in DAO and DA2, then suddenly couldn't in DAI... I stare especially hard at you, robes.
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Post by phoray on Sept 26, 2017 19:32:55 GMT
So I'm not remiss to believe that I'm not the only one that hopes armor is done better and has more variety, right? If by armor, you mean Day Wear and Night Wear that include dresses for the Ladies....then yes. I found it difficult to find anything that looked good on male Dalish, but that was a body shape problem and not a problem of the armor and outfits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 19:59:05 GMT
Surely though Solas will have closed off the eluvian network to us? Why would be still be granting access when it might allow us to interfere with his plans? I would actually be disappointed if we did still use them because it would mean that Solas knew what we were doing and so finding "people he doesn't know" would be pointless. Does he have the ability to shut down the network? I understand that the game literally says: "we need to find people with completely different strategies" but what are those strategies? Save for going to Qun and the Ancient Dwarves for a set of non-elven derived magics (if they are non-elven in origin) what is out there that would phase Solas out? Or are we looking to build a mysterious artifact that is completely novel to Thedas?
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Post by phoray on Sept 26, 2017 20:00:59 GMT
Surely though Solas will have closed off the eluvian network to us? Why would be still be granting access when it might allow us to interfere with his plans? I would actually be disappointed if we did still use them because it would mean that Solas knew what we were doing and so finding "people he doesn't know" would be pointless. Does he have the ability to shut down the network? I understand that the game literally says: "we need to find people with completely different strategies" but what are those strategies? Save for going to Qun and the Ancient Dwarves for a set of non-elven derived magics (if they are non-elven in origin) what is out there that would phase Solas out? Or are we looking to bu ild a mysterious artifact that is completely novel to Thedas?Oh, goodness, I hope not. That immediately made me think of Mass Effect 3. DA does not need to be taking from Mass Effect.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2017 20:18:31 GMT
Surely though Solas will have closed off the eluvian network to us? Why would be still be granting access when it might allow us to interfere with his plans? I would actually be disappointed if we did still use them because it would mean that Solas knew what we were doing and so finding "people he doesn't know" would be pointless. Does he have the ability to shut down the network? I understand that the game literally says: "we need to find people with completely different strategies" but what are those strategies? Save for going to Qun and the Ancient Dwarves for a set of non-elven derived magics (if they are non-elven in origin) what is out there that would phase Solas out? Or are we looking to build a mysterious artifact that is completely novel to Thedas? Well, we do know that there are mysterious Executors who are from some place across the sea as well as a island with advanced society on it that, for whatever reason, wants to isolate itself from rest of Thedas, so who knows what tricks they have hidden. And then there's Tevinter, which is basically Elvenhan 2.0, also in a sense that Vints have ripped off a lot from elves, so who knows what magical technology they uncovered and experimented with for years, or came up on their own. They certainly have experimental time magic, with which Solas was unfamiliar with.
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Post by Lazarillo on Sept 27, 2017 2:43:28 GMT
So this isn't necessarily "speculation" but something occurred to me a few days ago, and I'm finally getting around to putting it down, but Trespasser came to mind and how the Qunari were essentially this close to succeeding in taking control of southern Thedas, and we didn't even find out until the last minute, thanks to dumb luck and them earning the wrath of an angry trickster "god". There was no "chosen one" who stepped out to face them down and unite the world against them or any such. They worked in the shadows of a crisis and by the time the right couple people just happened to be in the right place, they were already on the precipice of victory.
With that in mind, I wonder if Fen'harel might take a page or two from their book. I feel like any assumption that he's going to play a major role in the next game's plot also sort of works under the assumption that he's going to tip his hand so easily. I feel like there's even a good opportunity for the writers to "play with" expectations, leaving players to go through a game just sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop, maybe even not having it come up in DA4 at all. In the case of the so-called god of deception, why would we learn about his masterstroke until after he already did it 30 minutes ago?
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Post by morir_a_solas on Sept 27, 2017 2:54:42 GMT
So this isn't necessarily "speculation" but something occurred to me a few days ago, and I'm finally getting around to putting it down, but Trespasser came to mind and how the Qunari were essentially this close to succeeding in taking control of southern Thedas, and we didn't even find out until the last minute, thanks to dumb luck and them earning the wrath of an angry trickster "god". There was no "chosen one" who stepped out to face them down and unite the world against them or any such. They worked in the shadows of a crisis and by the time the right couple people just happened to be in the right place, they were already on the precipice of victory. With that in mind, I wonder if Fen'harel might take a page or two from their book. I feel like any assumption that he's going to play a major role in the next game's plot also sort of works under the assumption that he's going to tip his hand so easily. I feel like there's even a good opportunity for the writers to "play with" expectations, leaving players to go through a game just sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop, maybe even not having it come up in DA4 at all. In the case of the so-called god of deception, why would we learn about his masterstroke until after he already did it 30 minutes ago? and we get a post apocalyptic thedas for DA5! Lol that actually sounds like it would be fun (maybe a bit too dark even for a DA title)
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 27, 2017 3:29:39 GMT
So this isn't necessarily "speculation" but something occurred to me a few days ago, and I'm finally getting around to putting it down, but Trespasser came to mind and how the Qunari were essentially this close to succeeding in taking control of southern Thedas, and we didn't even find out until the last minute, thanks to dumb luck and them earning the wrath of an angry trickster "god". There was no "chosen one" who stepped out to face them down and unite the world against them or any such. They worked in the shadows of a crisis and by the time the right couple people just happened to be in the right place, they were already on the precipice of victory. With that in mind, I wonder if Fen'harel might take a page or two from their book. I feel like any assumption that he's going to play a major role in the next game's plot also sort of works under the assumption that he's going to tip his hand so easily. I feel like there's even a good opportunity for the writers to "play with" expectations, leaving players to go through a game just sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop, maybe even not having it come up in DA4 at all. In the case of the so-called god of deception, why would we learn about his masterstroke until after he already did it 30 minutes ago? That depends what exactly he's planning. And we don't know what exactly that is. Then there's Flemythal - who is obviously planning something, even if we assume now that she's out of the game (literal and not so literal). And some other actors - like Geldauran, whose tomb (or at least his note hidden there) we find in JoH that talks about being silent and forgotten until he strikes in mastery. We have to keep in mind though that many elaborate plans have been thwarted by sheer stroke of luck or cosmic coincidences - it may yet turn out that some of these things are steered by someone, but Trespasser was hardly the only place where things were undone by right people in right place: the whole of Inquisition happened only because two elaborate have been undone by one event. Solas's initial plan because of Corypheus body-hopping ability and Corypheus aim to ascend to Black City to make himself god. He was in fact, so close to conquering South, that if we failed at any time during Inquisition to dismantle pieces already in motion we got an epilogue card that told us of Cory's (at least partial) success, and we can even see what happens to the world in future Redcliffe. DAO was also pretty close - if Duncan didn't recruit HoF, or he/she died during Joining, or if he didn't send rookie Wardens to the tower in Ostagar and Flemeth didn't snatch them at the last second, Ferelden would be done for, which we can witness in Darkspawn Chronicles. Hawke also has his/her moments, as Flemeth explicitly told them that he/she might have saved her life by taking her amulet to the Sundermount. DA seems to be a tale of Very Close Misses - and, to be honest, I sort of expect for that tradition to continue in DA4 and further.
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Post by wickedcool on Sept 27, 2017 12:52:54 GMT
Has to be some sort of dalish artifact that can hurt solas. Wont be surprised if say one of the creators helps us from beyond where they are trapped . Probably will require a trip to fade
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 27, 2017 14:36:16 GMT
So this isn't necessarily "speculation" but something occurred to me a few days ago, and I'm finally getting around to putting it down, but Trespasser came to mind and how the Qunari were essentially this close to succeeding in taking control of southern Thedas, and we didn't even find out until the last minute, thanks to dumb luck and them earning the wrath of an angry trickster "god". There was no "chosen one" who stepped out to face them down and unite the world against them or any such. They worked in the shadows of a crisis and by the time the right couple people just happened to be in the right place, they were already on the precipice of victory. With that in mind, I wonder if Fen'harel might take a page or two from their book. I feel like any assumption that he's going to play a major role in the next game's plot also sort of works under the assumption that he's going to tip his hand so easily. I feel like there's even a good opportunity for the writers to "play with" expectations, leaving players to go through a game just sort of waiting for the other shoe to drop, maybe even not having it come up in DA4 at all. In the case of the so-called god of deception, why would we learn about his masterstroke until after he already did it 30 minutes ago? Well for one - of course we only learn about things at the last possible moment, avoid absolute failure by the skin of our teeth, because that's how stories generally work. Take Cory - a lot of people found him to be an underwhelming villain, and it's no surprise why. There's no point in the game where he's truly close to victory. He has a fair start with the Conclave, and Haven helps sell his threat, but from there it's all downhill - whereas, ideally, a story would be ratcheting up as we approach the end. But the climax isn't about us foiling his plan that's steps away from completion. It's us fighting off his last-ditch effort to actually accomplish something. He starts off in a fairly formidable position, but exposes himself too early and spends the rest of the game getting whittled down. The threat he poses diminishes as the story goes on. The Qunari were better handled as a villain, because they were steps away from victory, and they maintained that threat right up until the end. Same with the Archdemon and the Blight - at the beginning, the map's just got a little stain in the bottom. By the end, we can see how the Blight's consumed everything, how the battle at Denerim needs to succeed or we're all dead. It's all about build-up, because you want that tension, that threat to be at it's highest when you move into the climax. Solas revealing himself and his intentions so early might be a bit of an issue, but like you point out, we still don't really know what his plans are, so they have enough room to avoid making him another Corypheus. That being said - I've pointed out before that there's a way they can give Solas a strong presence in the game, give him some moral complexity, without making him the direct antagonist. He can be defending the ideals he espoused in game - helping runaway slaves, harboring apostates, freeing bound spirits. It doesn't have to be his main goal. He doesn't even have to contribute a lot of time or resources to it. But it could be a way to have him in the game, and even have him interact with the player character, without being all evil. If DA4 is the game where we deal with Solas, it can be mixed in with him... Iunno, fighting the Inquisition or whatever. If DA4 isn't, it's a nice way to keep him in the player's mind without slipping into outright villainy just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:41:06 GMT
Does he have the ability to shut down the network? I understand that the game literally says: "we need to find people with completely different strategies" but what are those strategies? Save for going to Qun and the Ancient Dwarves for a set of non-elven derived magics (if they are non-elven in origin) what is out there that would phase Solas out? Or are we looking to bu ild a mysterious artifact that is completely novel to Thedas?Oh, goodness, I hope not. That immediately made me think of Mass Effect 3. DA does not need to be taking from Mass Effect. Well, what is there on Thedas that is potent, and that may surprise Solas? He has a unique access to historic memories and the Fade, so in a way, he is as near to understanding all magic of Thedas as it gets. So, what can bring him down? Edit: I saw the suggestion of Dalish, and that would be cool, but aren't some of the Dalish defecting to him?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 27, 2017 18:33:35 GMT
I very much doubt that anything the Dalish can come up with could harm Solas. Their lore is very fragmented and their magic too based on the modern world with all its restrictions. The elves at the time of the Evanuris were capable of creating way more complex and powerful items, so Solas ought to be able to deal with anything from then too, but if any item could, say, defend against him it would have to be from that earlier period.
It is possible that a relic of the pre-Veil world is to be found in the depths of Minrathous or in Arlathan Forest. As I say, though, I think that is more likely to be something that could protect the PC from him (not possible to petrify them) rather than something that could actually harm him. After all, if he thought it difficult to kill the Evanuris, then the same would apply to him, although of course I suppose you might discover how Mythal was murdered. Even if it didn't permanently kill her, it certainly took her out of circulation for a considerable period of time.
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Post by tacsear on Sept 27, 2017 19:04:44 GMT
Has to be some sort of dalish artifact that can hurt solas. Wont be surprised if say one of the creators helps us from beyond where they are trapped . Probably will require a trip to fade Tevinter is more likely to have such an artifact than The Dalish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 19:17:56 GMT
I very much doubt that anything the Dalish can come up with could harm Solas. Their lore is very fragmented and their magic too based on the modern world with all its restrictions. The elves at the time of the Evanuris were capable of creating way more complex and powerful items, so Solas ought to be able to deal with anything from then too, but if any item could, say, defend against him it would have to be from that earlier period. It is possible that a relic of the pre-Veil world is to be found in the depths of Minrathous or in Arlathan Forest. As I say, though, I think that is more likely to be something that could protect the PC from him (not possible to petrify them) rather than something that could actually harm him. After all, if he thought it difficult to kill the Evanuris, then the same would apply to him, although of course I suppose you might discover how Mythal was murdered. Even if it didn't permanently kill her, it certainly took her out of circulation for a considerable period of time. But he will be aware of the existence and properties of the pre-Veil magical objects. The stratagem voiced in the end of Trespasser implied that to take Solas down, we need to employ people (and magics) he cannot predict and counter. That's why I am wondering about the sources of such surprises, and, by extension, the new PC's background. Maybe I am overthinking.
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Post by wickedcool on Sept 27, 2017 19:41:50 GMT
Didnt solas trick the other gods to search for a sword.maybe the sword is a metaphor for say intellect
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Post by wickedcool on Sept 27, 2017 19:44:46 GMT
Didnt solas trick the other gods to search for a sword.maybe the sword is a metaphor for say intellect
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 27, 2017 19:46:26 GMT
Do we have a reason to believe that Solas can't be hurt by just, you know, regular sharp objects or bluntforce trauma? Yeah he's quick on the trigger with spamming petrify but if you bypass that somehow, do we have any reason to think that an ordinary sword wouldn't cut him?
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 27, 2017 20:23:53 GMT
Didnt solas trick the other gods to search for a sword.maybe the sword is a metaphor for say intellect A sword? The myth claims that Fen'Harel tricked both sides by saying that the other one is building a powerful weapon, but we know nothing of the details or if the myth has any degree of accuracy in it other than the Dread Wolf dealing with both sides with trickery.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 27, 2017 20:29:57 GMT
Do we have a reason to believe that Solas can't be hurt by just, you know, regular sharp objects or bluntforce trauma? Yeah he's quick on the trigger with spamming petrify but if you bypass that somehow, do we have any reason to think that an ordinary sword wouldn't cut him? Well he can be cut when he's our companion and I don't think the ludonarrative dissonance between combat and narrative is big enough to suggest that all the damage he sustained as companion we took on the field didn't happen. And he may have suggested in roundabout way that the Evanuris have dealt with Mythal with a dagger - but that must've been some powerful dagger. Either way I'm sure Solas can be hurt, but it probably won't be easy to find him in vulnerable position. Especially that we don't yet know what kind of tricks he has hidden in his sleeves. We're at the disadvantage for now, because it's he who has all the secret or forgotten knowledge.
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Post by formerfiend on Sept 27, 2017 20:34:41 GMT
Yeah, I was just disputing this notion that we'd need some sort of lost artifact to hurt him. I'm kind of hoping he doesn't even have FleMythal's Me's A Crowd ability for bypassing death and we can just kill him in a fight; otherwise this whole thing is just getting repetitive.
I can buy us needing something more than just a few templars to suppress his power to protect ourselves from his spamming insta-death, so that being the trick to the fight, I'm fine with.
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