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Post by river82 on Dec 31, 2017 1:21:49 GMT
Bioware's roots being strategic combat (it's what the Infinity engine was initially developed for and it's one of the qualities most RPGs developed on that engine are known) so I wasn't actually being sarcastic.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 31, 2017 6:04:28 GMT
I thought Anthem was coming out in 2018? an open secret says that it will be delayed to 2019 probably between march-may of that year for a release. the funny thing would be if they cancel the game (worst things happened) but obviously will not happen. *crosses fingers*
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 31, 2017 16:34:41 GMT
It will be interesting to see how the game combines (or keeps separate) the multiplayer elements.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Jan 2, 2018 16:58:13 GMT
Well...
Wheter the next DA comes out in 2019 or 2020, or wheter it will even come out at all in case BW gets shut down by EA is impossible to predict at the moment.
However, I'd like to make a prediction for what the plot will probably look like:
-Dragon Age 4 takes place 10 years after Tresspasser;
-Inquisitor died from the prolongued side effects of his mark;
-The HoF/WC died from the Blight but managed to send back information about a possible cure;
-Returning characters from DAI: Dorian, Harding, Josephine, Morrigan and whoever gets elected Divine;
-Story begins in Seheron;
-MC is elf-blooded human but has multiple origins: Seheron Native (Warrior/Rogue), Tevinter Slave (Warrior/Rogue/Mage) and Mercenary Freelancer (Rogue/Mage);
-MC is sent along on a mission to fight Qunari on an ancient temple recently uncovered;
-MC's party arrives to find the Qunari already engaged in battle with elves much to their shock;
-They battle their way deep into the temple when a magic explosion engulfs the whole battlefield;
-MC awakens to find both his party and the Qunari dead, the explosion was a temple defense spell triggered by Solas which targeted all non-elfs;
-Solas spent the last 10 years preparing for a ritual to create a new Mark and tear down the Veil;
-The temple in Seheron links directly to the prison of Razikale whom Solas plans to use as the magic source for his new Mark;
-MC's elf-blood allowed him/her to survive Solas's spell but not without serious injuries, MC tries to leave but loses way and falls into a hole;
-Solas performs the ritual but, just as he is about to finish, the MC falls on top of the magic confluency and disrupts the spell;
-The ensuing explosion tears the island apart and goes deep enough to rip open Razikale's prison;
-MC, Solas and the Old Goddess are all sucked into the Fade then tossed back into random directions;
-MC lands somewhere in mainland Tevinter where he is found by Inquisition agents and introduced to their quest against Solas;
-Explosion created new Breach in Seheron, gave MC new Mark;
-A Titan woke up in the middle of the sea, shifting it's climate into storms and tidal waves;
-To make things worse the Darkspawn invade the surface in search of Razikale who landed maker-knows-where.
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Post by lilyonce on Jan 3, 2018 2:52:53 GMT
A Titan woke up in the middle of the sea- shifting it's climate into storms and tidal waves I want to hear more about the Titans in DA4. On the wiki it says that a Titan woke up right before the fall of Arlathan- and Arlathan was sunk into the ground, right? Supposedly by Tevinter- but maybe they forced a Titan into it or maybe the Titan was spooked by whatever magic the elves in Arlathan were doing like the Titan in DAI was by the Breach. Titans cause earthquakes and soil liquefaction can occur and so maybe that's why it sunk into the ground. I must know.
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Post by Faust on Jan 3, 2018 18:05:23 GMT
It'll propably never happen, but I'm not against a multiple protagonists game. I don't want for my Inquisitor to become a npc.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 4, 2018 17:22:25 GMT
More wishlist items (do we have a wishlist thread?) buuut...
- I want a mage companion that's been exposed, or learned of, the way Avvars treat and approach spirits and has developed it into an academic discipline. They've taken the way Avvars "sing" spirits into being or taking the role of their gods and found a similar way to imprint their will on the Fade, the resulting spirits are bound to rings or jewelry or something that they wear and when they need that aspect they that into it or summon it for advice. Like if they needed insight they'd summon their spirit of wisdom, in battle they'd summon what amounts to a rage demon but less amorphous. It'd be dope if the player character could learn this class and the tree would be focusing on a few of these spirits, like a stat boosting one, or a combat aiding one or one you can summon and talk to and they give vague plot hints that are vague and not necessarily helpful but who cares it's cool.
- Solas is smart and nuanced and I'd like the opportunity to genuinely try to match wits with him or outmaneuver him. Cuz I want him to do a lot of maneuvering, of the PC thinking they're doing something on their own volition but he's been nudging them in that direction or he subverts the effort to serving him in the end. They kinda toyed with the idea in Trespasser by figuring out he's Fen'Harel without him telling you, I'd like to see that developed and evolved to include more things than just scavenge hunting for clues like needing the right perks and, talking to the right people about the right topics, making the correct decisions in quests and/or on the war table/equivalent. I don't want it to feel like Corypheus who, when you really look at what he's done and built, has this huge complicated scheme but from your vantage point it's just a series of straightforward quests and ta~da the bad guy is beaten.
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Post by Frost on Jan 5, 2018 1:32:09 GMT
More wishlist items (do we have a wishlist thread?) buuut... - Solas is smart and nuanced and I'd like the opportunity to genuinely try to match wits with him or outmaneuver him. Cuz I want him to do a lot of maneuvering, of the PC thinking they're doing something on their own volition but he's been nudging them in that direction or he subverts the effort to serving him in the end. They kinda toyed with the idea in Trespasser by figuring out he's Fen'Harel without him telling you, I'd like to see that developed and evolved to include more things than just scavenge hunting for clues like needing the right perks and, talking to the right people about the right topics, making the correct decisions in quests and/or on the war table/equivalent. I don't want it to feel like Corypheus who, when you really look at what he's done and built, has this huge complicated scheme but from your vantage point it's just a series of straightforward quests and ta~da the bad guy is beaten. This would be great, especially if we could play a witty mage.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 5, 2018 21:08:18 GMT
I wouldn't mind seeing the main character enter a grand tourney.
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Post by luin on Jan 6, 2018 0:32:45 GMT
I have no idea what the latest news is when it comes to DA4...has it even been officially confirmed by BioWare? My one issue with the next game would be Solas. I think other people have brought this up too, but the ending of DA:I almost begs for a proper sequel due to the Solas twist. By doing that, they set up quite an emotional, dramatic situation -- you spend the entire game being deceived by Solas, and it makes it even worse if the player went for the romantic route. After all that, I'm not sure I really like the idea of starting as a new character again, in a different atmosphere. It feels like it would be more interesting to just start from where things ended in DA:I. I never played Trespasser, but this Eurogamer article makes me want to see a proper sequel even more: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-11-dragon-age-inquisition-trespasser-dlc-sets-up-dragon-age-4
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Post by warden on Jan 6, 2018 0:54:17 GMT
you spend the entire game being deceived by Solas. sorry to say this. but that thing is not true. Basically this thing you mention was a Bioware copout or a last moment trick of the sleeve (call it how may you like) they came up with in Trespasser, it was never a pre planned thing originally, like you may think.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 6, 2018 0:59:02 GMT
you spend the entire game being deceived by Solas. sorry to say this. but that thing is not true. Basically this thing you mention was a Bioware copout or a last moment trick of the sleeve (call it how may you like) they came up with, it was never a pre planned thing, like you may think. Er... that is just not true. I'm not sure where did you get this idea. If it was true, Bioware wouldn't be constantly trolling us with Solas' true identity. Solas hints it in some of his dialogue (and his outfit - wolf jawbone necklace, wolf fur draped on his shoulder, etc) and there are entire zones filled with gratuitous wolf imagery, for example.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 6, 2018 1:00:42 GMT
you spend the entire game being deceived by Solas. sorry to say this. but that thing is not true. Basically this thing you mention was a Bioware copout or a last moment trick of the sleeve (call it how may you like) they came up with in Trespasser, it was never a pre planned thing originally, like you may think. Erm. Did you not watch the scene after the main game's credits?
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Post by luin on Jan 6, 2018 1:01:40 GMT
you spend the entire game being deceived by Solas. sorry to say this. but that thing is not true. Basically this thing you mention was a Bioware copout or a last moment trick of the sleeve (call it how may you like) they came up with in Trespasser, it was never a pre planned thing, like you may think. Huh? That is interesting if true. Is there a source for that anywhere? I do remember them putting in a little clip of Solas being dodgy at the very end of DA:I, but I guess it was ambiguous.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 6, 2018 1:08:24 GMT
I have no idea what the latest news is when it comes to DA4...has it even been officially confirmed by BioWare? My one issue with the next game would be Solas. I think other people have brought this up too, but the ending of DA:I almost begs for a proper sequel due to the Solas twist. By doing that, they set up quite an emotional, dramatic situation -- you spend the entire game being deceived by Solas, and it makes it even worse if the player went for the romantic route. After all that, I'm not sure I really like the idea of starting as a new character again, in a different atmosphere. It feels like it would be more interesting to just start from where things ended in DA:I. I never played Trespasser, but this Eurogamer article makes me want to see a proper sequel even more: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-11-dragon-age-inquisition-trespasser-dlc-sets-up-dragon-age-4I do agree that the game makes it seem like we're going to continue our adventures with Inquisitor, or at least continue story of theirs in some way. Trespasser makes it especially apparent. And Knight Enchanter is a comic that happens after Trespasser and characters in it have active dealings with still-active Inquisition. So I don't know what they're going to come up with, but it probably won't be straightforward PC shift with scant mentions of previous games' heroes of events. Especially in light of previous lead writer, David Gaider, revealing to us in an interview that Inquisition's story has been basically cut in half (not in terms of cut content, but how far it went, story-wise)... and that the 2nd part of the story is now in Patric Weekes' hands. We don't know how much of their initial scenario, or in what way, will materialize in DA4, but so far it sort of shapes up to be the sorta-kinda the 2nd part of Inquisition.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 6, 2018 1:10:27 GMT
sorry to say this. but that thing is not true. Basically this thing you mention was a Bioware copout or a last moment trick of the sleeve (call it how may you like) they came up with in Trespasser, it was never a pre planned thing, like you may think. Huh? That is interesting if true. Is there a source for that anywhere? I do remember them putting in a little clip of Solas being dodgy at the very end of DA:I, but I guess it was ambiguous. No, it's entirely untrue. The whole of Inquisition is - in certain ways - all about Solas, his legacy, his relationship with and plans for the world.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 6, 2018 6:32:20 GMT
sorry to say this. but that thing is not true. Basically this thing you mention was a Bioware copout or a last moment trick of the sleeve (call it how may you like) they came up with in Trespasser, it was never a pre planned thing, like you may think. Huh? That is interesting if true. Is there a source for that anywhere? I do remember them putting in a little clip of Solas being dodgy at the very end of DA:I, but I guess it was ambiguous. Solas drops a lot of hints that he knows more than he should/isn't what he pretends to be throughout the whole game (in addition to egregiously literally wearing a wolf's jawbone because of course he would): - despite noting that the Fade is not a consistent reflection of the real world he cites it as being the source of everything he's not supposed to know. - he can speak elven better than the Dalish Inquisitor, he "learned it in the Fade." - when you speak to Abelas he explicitly states that the elf Inquisitor is not like him but seems to draw a distinction wrt Solas, Solas mentions there are still places out there with people like Abelas and Abelas says "elves like you?" and Solas responds in the affirmative. - Also in the temple he gives alternate interpretations of the elven gods no one else seems to have access to. - he mentions that he missed being surrounded by the politicking after the Winter Palace even though he's an apostate hobo (supposedly) - counter to basically everyone everywhere he's not only skeptical of the Grey Warden's worth in general but specifically how they relate to the Blight. - his personal quest "All New Faded for Her" is an anagram of Dread Wolf Fen'Harel. Then there are the many, many banters he has that should raise a red flag: Blackwall: You spoke of seeing death and destruction. Did you fight in a war? Solas: There are struggles across Thedas at any given time. I doubt you would have heard of it. Blackwall: An elven skirmish? Solas: In a manner of speaking. You? Blackwall: I was a soldier. And I... well... you know how it is. Solas: I do indeed.
Hinting at his role as an elven rebel leader against the gods.
Cassandra: It is interesting to hear a mage's perspective of our abilities, Solas. Solas: I am pleased you find it so. Cassandra: I am taught my abilities come from the Maker. You probably think it silly. (Alternative line if Promise of Destruction is complete:) Cassandra: I know my abilities do not come from the Maker, as I had once thought... Solas: Your abilities declare the world real. Who, if not the Maker of this world, could grant such a gift? Cassandra: You believe in the Maker? Solas: I am always open to new ideas.
The Chantry has been around for a thousand years, it's an only a "new idea" if you're much older than that and you've been napping for the majority of its existence.
Cole: You don't need to envy me, Solas. You can find happiness in your own way. Solas: I apologize for disturbing you, Cole. I am not a spirit, and sometimes it is hard to remember such simple truths. Cole: They are not gone so long as you remember them. Solas: I know. Cole: But you could let them go. Solas: I know that as well. Cole: You didn't do it to be right. You did it to save them. Inquisitor: Solas, what is Cole talking about? Solas: A mistake. One of many made by a much younger elf who was certain he knew everything. Cole: You weren't wrong, though. Solas: Thank you, Cole. Or Inquisitor: Cole, I think Solas would like you to stop. Solas: It is no bother, Inquisitor. Cole is a spirit of compassion and this world is too bleak to spurn compassion offered freely. I will never know that for certain, Cole, but thank you for saying it.
Talking about creating the Veil.
(If the Inquisitor romanced Solas) Cole: (If the Inquisitor kept the vallaslin) Stop. You are perfect exactly as you are. But then you turned away. Why? Solas: I had no choice. Cole: She feels her face, marked, marred without malice. She didn't know. She thinks it's why you walked away. (Or) Cole: (If the Inquisitor had the vallaslin removed) Ar lasa mala revas. You are so beautiful. But then you turned away. Why? Solas: I had no choice. Cole: She is bare-faced, embarrassed, and she doesn't know. She thinks it's because of her. Solas: You cannot heal this, Cole. Please, let it go. Inquisitor: Perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did. Cole: He hurts, an old pain from before, when everything sang the same. Cole: You're real, and it means everyone could be real. It changes everything, but it can't. Cole: They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them... (gasps) Where did it go? Solas: I apologize, Cole. That is not a pain you can heal.
Cole is exploring his hurt about how the romanced Inquisitor is making him feel guilty about this round of genocide he's plotting.
Iron Bull: You've got an odd style, Solas. Your spells are a bit different from the Circle mages or the Vints. Solas: That comes from being self-taught. Solas: I discovered most magic on my own, or learned it from my journeys in the Fade. Iron Bull: I've seen self-taught warriors. Even the good ones have something awkward in their style, something that clunks. Iron Bull: I don't get that from you. Maybe magic is different. Solas: Or without magical training, you cannot notice the parts of my magic that "clunk".
Iron Bull: You're not as flashing as most mages, Solas. Iron Bull: The Tevinter mages I fought in Seheron tried to scare us with what they could do. Iron Bull: Dorian looks like he's waiting for applause after every spell. Even Viv has this confident swagger. (if in the party) Dorian: As any good mage would. Iron Bull: Vivienne has this little swagger, like she knows she's the most dangerous thing in the room. (if in the party) Vivienne: I am the most dangerous thing in the room darling. Iron Bull: Yes, ma'am. Sorry, ma'am. Iron Bull: Not the quiet elven mage, though. No frills. Nothing to give you away. Half our targets never even see you coming. Solas: I shall take that as a compliment. Iron Bull: If you like.
Bull's picking up on the fact that Solas' use of magic a) weird for being self-taught and seemingly intentionally understated.
Solas: I heard about your organization, Sera. I am impressed. Sera: Is this a trick? Solas: Hardly. But it is an opportunity. You have already divided your group's membership. That is wise. No one cell can betray all your secrets. The next step is to establish a rhythm. When your enemies pursue, you vanish. When they become complacent, you harass them. When they are weak, you strike in earnest. Sera: Where d'you get all this, then? Solas: Do you wish to be unnerved by another tale of my explorations of the Fade? Or do you wish to learn something? Sera: I don't know. Neither?
Solas: Once you have the aristocracy weakened, Sera, you will have to redirect your lieutenants. Sera: Oh, this again. All right, what am I doing? Solas: Some of your forces, valuable until now, have no interests beyond creating disruption. Chaos for its own sake. They must be repositioned where they can do no harm, or removed if necessary. You replace them with organizers willing to build a new system and carry out the ugly work that must be done. Sera: What? Why? What ugly work? Solas: That is up to you. Do you wish to disrupt the nobility, secure a title? Or change the political structure entirely? Sera: None of it! I don't want any of that!
Solas: I do not understand you, Sera. You have no end goal for your organization. Sera: Nobles get rattled, and people get payback. I play in the middle. Solas: Why not go all the way? You see injustice, and you have organized a group to fight it. Don't you want to replace it with something better? Sera: What, just lop off the top? What's that do, except make a new top to frig it all up? Solas: I...forgive me. You are right. You are fine as you are. Sera: You hurt my head sometimes, Solas. Solas: Yes, I have been known to do that.
Lessons in rebellion from an expert.
Varric and Solas have an ongoing conversation about the role of dwarven society, it's long so I'm not gonna paste it but it's obvious in retrospect that it's also about Solas' attitude towards his own fallen civilization.
Solas' identity is definitely not just something they absently plopped on in a post-credit scene.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 6, 2018 6:34:40 GMT
Also, I'm gonna be kind of disappointed if we play the Inquisitor again. I've already kind of divested from their story to a certain degree and I'm looking forward to playing someone new with maybe a more direct link with Tevinter.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 6, 2018 7:32:22 GMT
Also, I'm gonna be kind of disappointed if we play the Inquisitor again. I've already kind of divested from their story to a certain degree and I'm looking forward to playing someone new with maybe a more direct link with Tevinter. Thus spake the Inquisitor; "...then we'll find people he doesn't know".... Or words to that effect. I'd be stunned if we were the Inquisitor again (small prologue role aside, and I wouldn't put money on that either). I'm thinking the Inquisitor will - at most - be our quest giving "boss".
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 6, 2018 10:20:35 GMT
Also, I'm gonna be kind of disappointed if we play the Inquisitor again. I've already kind of divested from their story to a certain degree and I'm looking forward to playing someone new with maybe a more direct link with Tevinter. Thus spake the Inquisitor; "...then we'll find people he doesn't know".... Or words to that effect. I'd be stunned if we were the Inquisitor again (small prologue role aside, and I wouldn't put money on that either). I'm thinking the Inquisitor will - at most - be our quest giving "boss". Still rooting for dual-protag thingy...
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Post by mictlantecuhtli on Jan 6, 2018 14:52:33 GMT
Time travel, check. Mounts, check. Griffons? Probably not. Flying mounts would be great, but unless they go the MMORPG route probably won't be soaring around on griffons, dragons, etc.
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Post by Fredward on Jan 6, 2018 15:06:38 GMT
Fun fact about the person who rediscovered the griffons, she never fully joined the Wardens. She was just a Warden-Recruit by the end of the book. That's only information I got from the wiki but if we assume chaos erupted among Warden ranks shortly after the events of DAI griffons might not be the property of the Wardens anymore.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 6, 2018 16:42:49 GMT
Time travel, check. Mounts, check. Griffons? Probably not. Flying mounts would be great, but unless they go the MMORPG route probably won't be soaring around on griffons, dragons, etc. Seems like the kind of thing to confine to the world map. Protagonist chooses a city to go to, and a little construction-paper griffon zips across the map. CAW!
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 6, 2018 17:40:04 GMT
Fun fact about the person who rediscovered the griffons, she never fully joined the Wardens. She was just a Warden-Recruit by the end of the book. That's only information I got from the wiki but if we assume chaos erupted among Warden ranks shortly after the events of DAI griffons might not be the property of the Wardens anymore. Except that if you romanced Blackwall and turned him into a warden, his Trespasser epilogue slide is that you pretty much never see him again, but years later get a package containing his warden badge and a white griffon feather. That suggests the wardens do maintain some control over griffons.
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 6, 2018 23:06:23 GMT
Rewatched the solas/flemeth scene. Feels like Solas murders her instead of her giving the power willingly.
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