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Post by Dukemon on Jan 13, 2018 2:49:51 GMT
When I replayed the MET and now during Andromeda, I have recognized how the lack of information between PC and his people (advisors, companions, romances) is unpleasant. We never really know what the PC communicates with the squad members. Even we cannot control this information flout. In MET you never now the time when crew members briefing theirself with the latest mission progress and how it is managed what they could now. In MEA it is not clear when Ryder or Cora announcing to Peebee or Jaal about SAM and his features. And why they should talk about him anyway? We do not know what they are saying to them. It seems to have no matter what dialogue choice you have taken, when you were ask about to reveal Sam and his features. What are the communications between Inquisitor and his advisors and followers? I wish Dragon Age 4 does it better. At least I want to know it, when my PC is talking with others.
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Post by Frost on Jan 13, 2018 19:39:42 GMT
-More spells for mages in general. I'm OK with warriors and rogues having a more limited selection, mages should have choice, This!
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Post by themikefest on Jan 13, 2018 23:42:27 GMT
-More spells for mages in general. I'm OK with warriors and rogues having a more limited selection, mages should have choice, -More spells for mages in general. I'm OK with warriors and rogues having a more limited selection, mages should have choice, This! Here's what I posted about the mage having more spells bsn.boards.net/post/825938/thread
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Post by brandoftime on Jan 14, 2018 19:54:30 GMT
I'm also entirely not worried about being a 'mook' - I keep bringing TES: Oblivion when people argue that point and how I didn't mind being 'just' a Champion of Cyrodiil, who helped the main protagonist - Martin Septim - connect with his destiny of becoming savior of Tamriel. I also don't think many people were unhappy with Witcher 3 being story of Ciri saving the world and with Geralt 'merely' helping her get there. There are multiple ways with which one can make a character can feel indispensable, even if the story is about more than one person (which Dragon Age is ostensibly touted to be). There is one manifestation of this I'd absolutely adore (though, vaguely considered, the specifics of this seem convoluted) and that is if you could bring the Inquisitor and the new protag into conflict. The idea of a romanced Lavellan being all like "I will redeem him!" and the nefarious Tevinter magister protag being like "Nope!" and then the player chooses who to play as, if you go with the Inquisitor Solas is redeemed but if you go with new protag then you outmaneuver the Inquisitor, use them as bait for Solas and then kill them both (preferably with one crawling towards the body of the other and them dying in each other's arms) is the kind of pathos filled drama I breathe for. It'd go something like: 1. You primarily play the new protag, maybe initially the Inquisitor to reaffirm your stance on Solas and recruit the new protag. 2. Game continues with new protag, Inquisitor is there as mentor/boss figure (I didn't think of it before but the Inquisitor's more low-key personality would also mean less chance of people going "My Inquisitor would never do/say that!"), Solas' schemes are progressively unraveled, plenty of time for new protag to form own opinion of Solas. 3. As climax/final confrontation nears the player has the opportunity to express their stance on Solas. 4. If their view aligns with the Inquisitor everything is fine, you still get the option of doing the final confrontation with the Inquisitor instead of new protag tho. 5. If their views do not align you get the option of supporting either the Inquisitor's stance or the new protag's stance, bringing them in direct conflict. I suppose it doesn't always have to lead to tragic death I guess. Maybe not THAT convoluted. Yes, would definitely love this type of situation to happen! Not dual protagonist, but 'have to play it twice' for full effect. Mm, I like
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Post by Iakus on Jan 16, 2018 15:18:35 GMT
Do we think that since dao that the develepors had a plan for sandal. Crazy theory that “enchantment” is a curse or a spell and the dwarf form isn’t his true form. He grasps some of what’s going on but can’t tap into full mind and powers but may be hidden from enemies such as solas? No. Gaidar said that Sandal as some kind of super-powered magical savant was basically meant as a joke. They needed a merchant in DAO so players could have one last chance to stock up on consumables before facing the archdemon, and the one-off joke ended up taking on a life of it's own.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 17, 2018 2:03:50 GMT
What if the next DA game doesn't feature Solas except in dialogue and maybe a cameo? What I mean is what if its similar to ME3. The main character has to collect allies to deal with Solas. The next DA game, after the one that hasn't been named yet, will feature dealing with Solas himself. Stopping Solas changes Thedas forever. DA ends. Or maybe not?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 17, 2018 2:13:35 GMT
What if the next DA game doesn't feature Solas except in dialogue and maybe a cameo? What I mean is what if its similar to ME3. The main character has to collect allies to deal with Solas. The next DA game, after the one that hasn't been named yet, will feature dealing with Solas himself. Stopping Solas changes Thedas forever. DA ends. Or maybe not? Entirely possible - and I hope they do that. The 5th "Deal with Solas" game could then feature a collection of people (including past protagonists if absolutely necessary) who band together to stop the ancient elf from destroying the world. DA4 could be purely about Tevinter v The Qun. And I'd be OK with that.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Jan 18, 2018 13:14:14 GMT
Well...
In my opinion, keeping the Inquisitor as protagonist would not work because he already developed a close relationship with a group of companions whose stories were solved within DAI.
Commander Shepard remained the protagonist because ME's plot was a myriad of different struggles and evolving relationships kept within the threat of a greater-scope conflict only Shepard could solve. Shepard could change relationships and crewmates almost seamlessly because everything until the last game was open-ended.
Since the Inquisitor can end up married and backed up by several well established characters and factions, bringing him up again into a journey of struggle and possible romance would require dying and being revived by obscure powers ala Shepard or killing a lot of characters developed in DAI. Neither possibily sounds appealing.
The most likely scenario is that we will have a new protagonist coming from multiple origins and playing a central role in the conflict between Tevinter, Qunari, Solas and the Inquisitor.
However, I do see the possibility of the players assuming control of the Inquisitor during certain parts of the game which involve dealing with Solas or Dorian as a new protagonist would be in a much more difficult position when influencing these two.
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 18, 2018 14:31:46 GMT
There are reports of Microsoft looking into a new fable game based on success of horizon zero dawn. This has to be good news for da4 (Microsoft clearly realizes market is still profitable for 3rd person sword and sorcery rpgs
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Post by phoray on Jan 30, 2018 15:26:32 GMT
So it's finally confirmed that it's going to happen.
1. I wonder if why I don't feel excited is A. We don't have any information about story/characters to be excited about or B. The mention of Live Service in the same breath is concerning. 2. But I thought the announcement of a game meant it would be released 6 months after, but somehow they felt comfortable announcing this one 2 years before?
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 30, 2018 15:32:48 GMT
So it's finally confirmed that it's going to happen. 1. I wonder if why I don't feel excited is A. We don't have any information about story/characters to be excited about or B. The mention of Live Service in the same breath is concerning. 2. But I thought the announcement of a game meant it would be released 6 months after, but somehow they felt comfortable announcing this one 2 years before? This wasn't an official confirmation as much as unofficial reaction, made on personal twitter accounts, so people wouldn't come to wrong conclusion after reports in widely-circulating article.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 30, 2018 15:33:03 GMT
So it's finally confirmed that it's going to happen. 1. I wonder if why I don't feel excited is A. We don't have any information about story/characters to be excited about or B. The mention of Live Service in the same breath is concerning. 2. But I thought the announcement of a game meant it would be released 6 months after, but somehow they felt comfortable announcing this one 2 years before? Usually it's heavy promotion that starts 6 months before the launch of the game. Although it might be up for change, promotion is expensive , people have shorter attention span, and it worked for Fallout 4 to make a announcement and release the game a couple of months after. DAI official announcement was years before release althought the game was pushed back a whole year at one point. The somewhat strange thing is there's no survey leaks so far.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 30, 2018 16:09:54 GMT
So it's finally confirmed that it's going to happen. 1. I wonder if why I don't feel excited is A. We don't have any information about story/characters to be excited about or B. The mention of Live Service in the same breath is concerning. 2. But I thought the announcement of a game meant it would be released 6 months after, but somehow they felt comfortable announcing this one 2 years before? The thing that's dampening my excitement is that it's still years away, not many people seem to be working on it, and we know nothing about it.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jan 30, 2018 16:16:01 GMT
They haven't had the "official" announcement, meaning no title/summary/images/trailer have been released. This was more of a confirmation they are working on a DA game, which we already really knew months ago anyway.
I believe DAI was announced on a blog post trying to reassure us BioWare wasn't crumbling after the ME3 debacle and the founders left. I imagine they will officially unveil DA4 at a big event, though it may still be a while before that happens.
It is my impression that the statement came from trying to get ahead of the kotaku article (or blunt its impact). I'm not sure it helped much, because it didn't say anything we didn't already know and the article caused panic anyway.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 3:26:00 GMT
Do we think that since dao that the develepors had a plan for sandal. Crazy theory that “enchantment” is a curse or a spell and the dwarf form isn’t his true form. He grasps some of what’s going on but can’t tap into full mind and powers but may be hidden from enemies such as solas? No. Gaidar said that Sandal as some kind of super-powered magical savant was basically meant as a joke. They needed a merchant in DAO so players could have one last chance to stock up on consumables before facing the archdemon, and the one-off joke ended up taking on a life of it's own. Honestly id run with it at this point. It does make Sandal interesting in that regard, and hes kind of a "joke" that works.
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 3:27:24 GMT
So it's finally confirmed that it's going to happen. 1. I wonder if why I don't feel excited is A. We don't have any information about story/characters to be excited about or B. The mention of Live Service in the same breath is concerning. 2. But I thought the announcement of a game meant it would be released 6 months after, but somehow they felt comfortable announcing this one 2 years before? Usually it's heavy promotion that starts 6 months before the launch of the game. Although it might be up for change, promotion is expensive , people have shorter attention span, and it worked for Fallout 4 to make a announcement and release the game a couple of months after. DAI official announcement was years before release althought the game was pushed back a whole year at one point. The somewhat strange thing is there's no survey leaks so far. There were leaks a few months back...but most people consider them fake at the moment because they weren't survey.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 31, 2018 3:30:50 GMT
Usually it's heavy promotion that starts 6 months before the launch of the game. Although it might be up for change, promotion is expensive , people have shorter attention span, and it worked for Fallout 4 to make a announcement and release the game a couple of months after. DAI official announcement was years before release althought the game was pushed back a whole year at one point. The somewhat strange thing is there's no survey leaks so far. There were leaks a few months back...but most people consider them fake at the moment because they weren't survey. I think they consider them fake because SALOS.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 31, 2018 3:40:27 GMT
There were leaks a few months back...but most people consider them fake at the moment because they weren't survey. I think they consider them fake because SALOS. Nooo, you don't say...?
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Post by linksocarina on Jan 31, 2018 3:42:48 GMT
I think they consider them fake because SALOS. Nooo, you don't say...? Yeah that was kinda dumb...but if it was fake I doubt it would include that to be fair. The wish-fulfillment aspects of it, namely how Tevinter is going to be implemented, was a bit more off to me.
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Post by phoray on Jan 31, 2018 5:12:15 GMT
Honestly id run with it at this point. It does make Sandal interesting in that regard, and hes kind of a "joke" that works. everybody loves Sandal. But I wonder if it's not the mystery. Everybody loved Varric and his Bianca mystery and then... I think they consider them fake because SALOS. maybe it's the way I say that in my head but it's hilarious every time.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 2, 2018 15:39:10 GMT
I've been going through some of the info that got released near Trespasser: Conclusively tying off the protagonist, or having that as an explicit goal, doesn't sound like they want to bring the Inquisitor in for DA4. Or at least not as the main protagonist. But he also said this on Twitter. A Q&A mentions the epilogue was chosen more carefully/deliberately and that they'll be relevant in a hypothetical next game. Apparently 3 explicitly which if I had to guess: who's Divine, Dorian, state of the Inquisition. I'm not sure how relevant that is but heeeey. It's probably also worth noting that if the plan was to have Inquisition be a PT 1 that was presumably Gaider's plan, if the first thing Weekes does when he's in charge is an attempt to conclusively tie off the protagonist that doesn't seem like he's carrying Gaider's torch. I'm biased though as I don't really want the Inquisitor as a protag again and I have mixed feelings on the use of a dual protagonist, the idea of diluting the stories of both, or of the Inquisitor stealing the new one's thunder bother me. I don't, for instance, want the new one to be the mook who runs around killing things and then have the Inquisitor do all the politicking or scheming cuz that'll rob that aspect from the new protagonist. At the same time I wouldn't want them to rigidly stick with the idea of one game one protagonist if that isn't the most organic solution. One story one protagonist, sure. Also, we should have a stickied wishlist thread. Weekes mentions a "useful subreddit" somewhere in that talk about what people wanna see in the future and I can't find it so I'm gonna assume it was a thread not a subreddit which means it'd be buried somewhere the light will never again reach thanks to how Reddit works. We wouldn't have that issue. Maybe too late at this stage though. And the writers are doing a piss poor job.
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Post by phoray on Feb 2, 2018 20:27:20 GMT
What world state are they going to pick as Canon to base most of DA4 around?
I think the Devs are going to pick Divine Leliana, CeleneBriala reunited, and I dunno whether conscript or ally mages, but I'll think it'll be the mage side regardless.
I'm a bit mixed on their preference for the Wardens but probably non exile.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 2, 2018 21:29:44 GMT
What world state are they going to pick as Canon to base most of DA4 around? I think the Devs are going to pick Divine Leliana, CeleneBriala reunited, and I dunno whether conscript or ally mages, but I'll think it'll be the mage side regardless. I'm a bit mixed on their preference for the Wardens but probably non exile. I think the closest to canon world state is the default world-state in Dragon Age Keep.
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 3, 2018 2:30:18 GMT
What world state are they going to pick as Canon to base most of DA4 around? I think the Devs are going to pick Divine Leliana, CeleneBriala reunited, and I dunno whether conscript or ally mages, but I'll think it'll be the mage side regardless. I'm a bit mixed on their preference for the Wardens but probably non exile. I think the closest to canon world state is the default world-state in Dragon Age Keep. God I hope not. Bad enough the Briala-Celene reconciliation was even possible in Inquisition, but to actually endorse that parasitic toxicity as canon? Even if players can rewrite in the Keep, would the writers even think about the kind of message that sends?
"See how progressive we are? Who else has an interracial lesbian couple ruling one of the world's most powerful empires? Forget all that power imbalance, manipulative lying, racism, fetishizing, betrayal, stalking, imprisonment, and genocide in The Masked Empire! We're making all the characters forget it ever happened, just like real life abusers to their victims!"
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 3, 2018 2:57:16 GMT
God I hope not. Bad enough the Briala-Celene reconciliation was even possible in Inquisition, but to actually endorse that parasitic toxicity as canon? Even if players can rewrite in the Keep, would the writers even think about the kind of message that sends? The default world state has Celene ruling alone, not reconciled with Briala. Besides, I don't think that putting something in the default world state really counts as endorsing it. I don't think BioWare advocate ignoring Jaws of Hakkon and The Descent or doing as few side quests as possible in the main game. That world state is just meant to give people who are new to the franchise the simplest possible set of outcomes so they don't spend too much time interacting with characters and story choices they have no reason to care about.
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