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Post by cloud9 on Feb 9, 2018 11:41:29 GMT
And who cares if he failed once, twice, three times or hundred times. He should have still kept trying. Just because you failed to help people at first doesn't mean you should just clear the board (read: commit genocide) and start over. Also, connecting elves back to Fade isn't necessary to helping them or enlighten them. I'm sure Solas thinks that way but their are other problems for elves that he could have made better without destroying the Veil. I mean, he complains to Sera about the Red Jennies but he doesn't really put his money where is mouth is and focus on helping elves, slaves, human peasants, mages, stopping the Qun, etc. That's all secondary to his genocidal "world-shaping plan" which is the real tragedy of his character. The difference is that Solas doesn't really see his grand plan for ethnic cleansing as genocide. Not really. Everyone is less-than-people to him. That's why he doesn't try to "help" them: in his eyes, there's no way to help them. What he sees is an abandoned castle, overrun by rats, and what matters to him is only the restoration of the castle. He feel some pangs of guilt about all the killing necessary, because even if he's "only" killing a bunch of insapient, parasitic, lower creatures, for him it's like someone might feel bad for a rat squeaking weakly caught in a trap. Ultimately, though, he can't "help" the rats to build a civilization. So he is simply planning a "humane extermination". And it's poorly written. I mean why would he want to help the Inquisition to prevent assassination attempts from the Qunari to invade across nations, but at the same time he's planning to destroy the Veil and killing everyone? It doesn't make any sense. If I were him I just gather all the elves and go to another world to start over, and let the humans destroy themselves. That's what an intelligent person would do.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 9, 2018 14:44:21 GMT
The difference is that Solas doesn't really see his grand plan for ethnic cleansing as genocide. Not really. Everyone is less-than-people to him. That's why he doesn't try to "help" them: in his eyes, there's no way to help them. What he sees is an abandoned castle, overrun by rats, and what matters to him is only the restoration of the castle. He feel some pangs of guilt about all the killing necessary, because even if he's "only" killing a bunch of insapient, parasitic, lower creatures, for him it's like someone might feel bad for a rat squeaking weakly caught in a trap. Ultimately, though, he can't "help" the rats to build a civilization. So he is simply planning a "humane extermination". And it's poorly written. I mean why would he want to help the Inquisition to prevent assassination attempts from the Qunari to invade across nations, but at the same time he's planning to destroy the Veil and killing everyone? It doesn't make any sense. If I were him I just gather all the elves and go to another world to start over, and let the humans destroy themselves. That's what an intelligent person would do. He’s basically a Fallout protagonist with the power to put the world back as it was — at the cost of destroying the “civilizations” that were built on the wasteland. It’s reasonable to slightly improve people’s lives while he’s waiting for his plan to go into motion, while at the same time believing that none of this is the way people should be living. We view his intervention as apocalyptic, because the wasteland is the only Thedas we’ve ever known. To him, the apocalypse already happened, and reversing it is worth any amount of temporary suffering.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 9, 2018 17:50:13 GMT
People keep speculating about the return of Evanuris - but what about return of the Forgotten Ones? We do have hints that they existed and it's not impossible that they may still be active in some form. We find Geldeuran's message (potentially his tomb?) in Jaws Of Hakkon. Geldauran's claim: "There are no gods. There is only the subject and the object, the actor and the acted upon. Those with will to earn dominance over others gain title not by nature but by deed.
I am Geldauran, and I refuse those who would exert will upon me. Let Andruil's bow crack, let June's fire grow cold. Let them build temples and lure the faithful with promises. Their pride will consume them, and I, forgotten, will claim power of my own, apart from them until I strike in mastery."
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 9, 2018 18:44:23 GMT
And it's poorly written. I mean why would he want to help the Inquisition to prevent assassination attempts from the Qunari to invade across nations, but at the same time he's planning to destroy the Veil and killing everyone? It doesn't make any sense. If I were him I just gather all the elves and go to another world to start over, and let the humans destroy themselves. That's what an intelligent person would do. He’s basically a Fallout protagonist with the power to put the world back as it was — at the cost of destroying the “civilizations” that were built on the wasteland. It’s reasonable to slightly improve people’s lives while he’s waiting for his plan to go into motion, while at the same time believing that none of this is the way people should be living. We view his intervention as apocalyptic, because the wasteland is the only Thedas we’ve ever known. To him, the apocalypse already happened, and reversing it is worth any amount of temporary suffering. But that's crappy writing to create another villan to save the day again, but their writing does not make sense. He wants to save the world but to destroy it at the same time, and it sounds really dumb. It would be a simple thing for him to do is just to get his people out, and travel to another place to start over. All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 9, 2018 18:56:43 GMT
All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history. Not Solas's strong point.
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Post by phoray on Feb 9, 2018 19:04:27 GMT
But that's crappy writing to create another villan to save the day again, but their writing does not make sense. He wants to save the world but to destroy it at the same time, and it sounds really dumb. It would be a simple thing for him to do is just to get his people out, and travel to another place to start over. All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history. So many things... It's not crappy writing to have opposing desires that conflict and contradict each other. There IS no other place. The rest of the planet that Thedas sits on is not devoid of other races and cultures that his "people" wouldn't infringe on. And this isn't Lord of the Rings, where there is some sort of interdimensional travel to another realm foretold for the elves to live in peace. And lastly, he attempted to teach the current elves of Thedas. never explicitly described, but he found his attempts fruitless. Or, perhaps, not to result in his true goal which is... I think Powerful Free Magical Elves living in Crystal Tree Palaces, minus the Elf King/Queen Gods and slavery.
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Post by phoray on Feb 9, 2018 19:13:58 GMT
his true goal which is... I think Powerful Free Magical Elves living in Crystal Tree Palaces, minus the Elf King/Queen Gods and slavery. Interesting... If Solas HAD been met with open arms by the Dalish, would it really have changed anything? The veil remains, it's intent in going up unclear, but magic grows weaker each passing moment the Veil remains. His people or the Dalish were never going to be restored to what they were before. Additionally, the Dalish are likely the progeny of the very nobles that supported slavery, I also wonder if there isn't a general petty dislike somewhere in there similar to the blind hatred Zathrien had towards the Werewolves. I mean, those werewolves weren't even the men that raped and murdered his children. But they were the symbol of those men, and so must suffer. And he wasn't even that old compared to Solas.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 9, 2018 21:21:20 GMT
He’s basically a Fallout protagonist with the power to put the world back as it was — at the cost of destroying the “civilizations” that were built on the wasteland. It’s reasonable to slightly improve people’s lives while he’s waiting for his plan to go into motion, while at the same time believing that none of this is the way people should be living. We view his intervention as apocalyptic, because the wasteland is the only Thedas we’ve ever known. To him, the apocalypse already happened, and reversing it is worth any amount of temporary suffering. But that's crappy writing to create another villan to save the day again, but their writing does not make sense. He wants to save the world but to destroy it at the same time, and it sounds really dumb. It would be a simple thing for him to do is just to get his people out, and travel to another place to start over. All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history. He doesn’t want to destroy the world, he wants to restore the world to what he perceives as a better (but radically different) state. Big disruptive changes always create problems, even if they’re positive in the long term. Look at what increased automation is doing in our world. On paper it’s a great thing, because it means less repetitive work needs to be done by humans. In the long term, it will increase standards of living across the board, because we’ll be able to accomplish more with the workforce we have. But in the short term, it leads to massive unemployment and political unrest. Self-driving cars alone will rapidly put 20% of the workforce out of a job, once they’re able to replace long-haul truckers and delivery drivers and all the other people who get paid to drive. And while it’s a huge safety/efficiency improvement in the long term, in the short term those people may not have the skills to move to another job right away. Twenty percent. That’s a recipe for resentment and violence. Solas’ plan is like that. It may (or may not) be positive in the long term, but in the short term it’s bound to destroy things. That’s just what happens during rapid change, even if it’s fixing something. Institutions and civilizations have molded themselves to fit around the problem. Removing that problem makes those structures suddenly unstable.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 9, 2018 21:36:33 GMT
All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history. Not Solas's strong point. Which makes him a dumbass.
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Post by Reznore on Feb 9, 2018 22:03:38 GMT
He doesn’t want to destroy the world, he wants to restore the world to what he perceives as a better (but radically different) state. Big disruptive changes always create problems, even if they’re positive in the long term. It's more than big disruptive changes though. Sure he doesn't want to destroy the world, but he implies to get the world he wants, a pretty violent tabula rasa will happen. When talking about his first main plan that went wrong, he says he would reshape the world while Thedas will burn in raw chaos. That sounds pretty apocalyptic. Then when talking about his new plan with the inquisitor, he implies there will be death on a massive scale. He never says to the Inqui (who's in charge of one of the world biggest organisation, and is surrounded by the most skilled people in Southern Thedas) that the change he wants will be bloody but can be stormed. I dislike Solas and his woe-is-me I have to destroy the world oh-the guilt tirades makes me want to strangle him. But I will give him that, he's pretty honest , he never implies for one second what he's doing is good for people in Thedas, there's no rainbow on the other side for them, they will simply die and something new and more to Solas liking is supposed to take their place.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 9, 2018 22:36:11 GMT
He doesn’t want to destroy the world, he wants to restore the world to what he perceives as a better (but radically different) state. Big disruptive changes always create problems, even if they’re positive in the long term. It's more than big disruptive changes though. Sure he doesn't want to destroy the world, but he implies to get the world he wants, a pretty violent tabula rasa will happen. When talking about his first main plan that went wrong, he says he would reshape the world while Thedas will burn in raw chaos. That sounds pretty apocalyptic. Then when talking about his new plan with the inquisitor, he implies there will be death on a massive scale. Hmmm... the reality is we don't know what that 'tabula rasa' truly means. Especially in a world where ideas can change the world as palpably as any physical event. So the 'tabula rasa' for Thedas may be some sort of big change that spells doom for modern races... or it could be as much as a paradigm shift. And the world is sort of at precipice of that anyhow, considering that the revelation that it's Solas - a person proven to exist - is responsible for the Veil. That's a deed ascribed to chief Thedosian deity, one of major points made by one of Thedas' most popular religions. That revelation alone can lead to a period of devastating religious wars. Give that even feuds between factions, like Celene and Gaspard or mages vs templars is something that disrupts life at large, wars like that would constitute chaos as well. That's just based on one major revelation alone. And something tells me we're going to get more. He states a few times that it MAY happen - that there is a chance that this world doesn't have to be destroyed, which is why he welcomes Inquisitor to prove wrong about it. Hmmm... no, he doesn't do that. He does asses that whatever he prepares for Thedas will be drastic and he hates it, but if he was so certain everyone was doomed, he wouldn't express his hope (with Inquisitor who wants to prove him that he doesn't have to destroy the world) that he may be wrong. As for whether he thinks it's good for people in Thedas... one of the major reasons he admits to do it is because he's remorseful that the Veil has cut conscious connection of most people to the Fade and thus deprived them of something important (yes, he talks about all people, not just elves). So yes, he does seem too think that removal of the Veil would be good for Thedas and its people, at least in the long run.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 9, 2018 23:11:04 GMT
But that's crappy writing to create another villan to save the day again, but their writing does not make sense. He wants to save the world but to destroy it at the same time, and it sounds really dumb. It would be a simple thing for him to do is just to get his people out, and travel to another place to start over. All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history. So many things... It's not crappy writing to have opposing desires that conflict and contradict each other. There IS no other place. The rest of the planet that Thedas sits on is not devoid of other races and cultures that his "people" wouldn't infringe on. And this isn't Lord of the Rings, where there is some sort of interdimensional travel to another realm foretold for the elves to live in peace.And lastly, he attempted to teach the current elves of Thedas. never explicitly described, but he found his attempts fruitless. Or, perhaps, not to result in his true goal which is... I think Powerful Free Magical Elves living in Crystal Tree Palaces, minus the Elf King/Queen Gods and slavery. The mirrors are capable of taking people to different worlds and dimensions, and you mean to tell me that the elves did travel and not inhabit or discovered another planet, or another plane of existence???
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Post by phoray on Feb 9, 2018 23:35:51 GMT
The mirrors are capable of taking people to different worlds and dimensions, and you mean to tell me that the elves did travel and not inhabit or discovered another planet, or another plane of existence??? you just plain don't understand Dragon Age Lore at all do you? These mirrors never take you to another world. There are, as of right now, exactly three places. Tangible Thedas. Intangible Fade. And in Between place. It's been that way for AWHILE, it just recently we found out that Eluvians hang out in the in between place. Which my understanding of this in between place was that it was intentionally built with magic to bridge the gap. The Eluvians are a short cut to very specific place. That is why you need lots of them to be able to get anywhere in Thedas, and controlling only some of them isn't very useful. But you're not going anywhere but Thedas, the Fade, and the Elf-Made In Between Place with them. There are no other planets ffs and considering the wide open creativity they have with the Fade, there is certainly no need for them. The Fade is already another plane of existence.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 9, 2018 23:46:10 GMT
But that's crappy writing to create another villan to save the day again, but their writing does not make sense. He wants to save the world but to destroy it at the same time, and it sounds really dumb. It would be a simple thing for him to do is just to get his people out, and travel to another place to start over. All he could do is learn from his mistakes and teach his people not to repeat history. He doesn’t want to destroy the world, he wants to restore the world to what he perceives as a better (but radically different) state. Big disruptive changes always create problems, even if they’re positive in the long term. Look at what increased automation is doing in our world. On paper it’s a great thing, because it means less repetitive work needs to be done by humans. In the long term, it will increase standards of living across the board, because we’ll be able to accomplish more with the workforce we have. But in the short term, it leads to massive unemployment and political unrest. Self-driving cars alone will rapidly put 20% of the workforce out of a job, once they’re able to replace long-haul truckers and delivery drivers and all the other people who get paid to drive. And while it’s a huge safety/efficiency improvement in the long term, in the short term those people may not have the skills to move to another job right away. Twenty percent. That’s a recipe for resentment and violence. Solas’ plan is like that. It may (or may not) be positive in the long term, but in the short term it’s bound to destroy things. That’s just what happens during rapid change, even if it’s fixing something. Institutions and civilizations have molded themselves to fit around the problem. Removing that problem makes those structures suddenly unstable. The logic of that is erroneous and problematic. Let's say he succeeds of resetting the world by magical cataclysm. How the elves are going to survive without food, water, and shelter if his cataclysm killed off the natural resources? What if he was killed by the gods and all his plans would be for nothing? That is the definition of insanity and stupidity on his part. Any intelligent person would think of his actions and consequences, to forgive himself and to make up his mistakes, and to find a place to start over and grow without destroying a world that he lives in.
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 9, 2018 23:56:28 GMT
He doesn’t want to destroy the world, he wants to restore the world to what he perceives as a better (but radically different) state. Big disruptive changes always create problems, even if they’re positive in the long term. Look at what increased automation is doing in our world. On paper it’s a great thing, because it means less repetitive work needs to be done by humans. In the long term, it will increase standards of living across the board, because we’ll be able to accomplish more with the workforce we have. But in the short term, it leads to massive unemployment and political unrest. Self-driving cars alone will rapidly put 20% of the workforce out of a job, once they’re able to replace long-haul truckers and delivery drivers and all the other people who get paid to drive. And while it’s a huge safety/efficiency improvement in the long term, in the short term those people may not have the skills to move to another job right away. Twenty percent. That’s a recipe for resentment and violence. Solas’ plan is like that. It may (or may not) be positive in the long term, but in the short term it’s bound to destroy things. That’s just what happens during rapid change, even if it’s fixing something. Institutions and civilizations have molded themselves to fit around the problem. Removing that problem makes those structures suddenly unstable. The logic of that is erroneous and problematic. Let's say he succeeds? How the elves are going to survive without food, water, and shelter if his cataclysm killed off the natural resources? What if he was killed by the gods and all his plans would be for nothing? That is the definition of insanity and stupidity on his part. Any intelligent person would think of his actions and consequences, to forgive himself and to make up his mistakes, and to find a place to start over and grow without destroying a world that he lives in. The some ancient elves survived centuries in Uthenura withou sustinance, so not necessarily a problem. Finding an area without fade? Yeah, that's a problem. Edit: That's actually how Solas survived the Veil going up in the first place, so it's not unreasonable to suggest that's how he'll survive it going down.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 10, 2018 0:07:03 GMT
but if he was so certain everyone was doomed, he wouldn't express his hope (with Inquisitor who wants to prove him that he doesn't have to destroy the world) that he may be wrong. I took this to mean "part of me hopes you will stop me because I still have a soul somewhere deep down inside" not "I hope you can find an alternative, nicer way to achieve my goals". At least, I hope that's what they meant. I don't want to help him. I want to stop him.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 10, 2018 0:07:27 GMT
These mirrors never take you to another world. According to Morrigan "not all paths lead back to our world".
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 10, 2018 0:36:37 GMT
you just plain don't understand Dragon Age Lore at all do you? These mirrors never take you to another world. There are, as of right now, exactly three places. Tangible Thedas. Intangible Fade. And in Between place. It's been that way for AWHILE, it just recently we found out that Eluvians hang out in the in between place. Which my understanding of this in between place was that it was intentionally built with magic to bridge the gap. The Eluvians are a short cut to very specific place. That is why you need lots of them to be able to get anywhere in Thedas, and controlling only some of them isn't very useful. But you're not going anywhere but Thedas, the Fade, and the Elf-Made In Between Place with them. There are no other planets ffs and considering the wide open creativity they have with the Fade, there is certainly no need for them. The Fade is already another plane of existence.Um, Morrigan clearly said that she has travel between worlds and also said "Not all eluvians lead to our world."
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 10, 2018 0:39:17 GMT
but if he was so certain everyone was doomed, he wouldn't express his hope (with Inquisitor who wants to prove him that he doesn't have to destroy the world) that he may be wrong. I took this to mean "part of me hopes you will stop me because I still have a soul somewhere deep down inside" not "I hope you can find an alternative, nicer way to achieve my goals". At least, I hope that's what they meant. I don't want to help him. I want to stop him. What if stopping him means helping him?
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 10, 2018 0:46:14 GMT
I took this to mean "part of me hopes you will stop me because I still have a soul somewhere deep down inside" not "I hope you can find an alternative, nicer way to achieve my goals". At least, I hope that's what they meant. I don't want to help him. I want to stop him. What if stopping him means helping him? What do you mean? I don't mind helping him, I dunno, mow his lawn or free some slaves or something. I just don't want to help him destroy the Veil.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 10, 2018 0:48:41 GMT
What if stopping him means helping him? What do you mean? I don't mind helping him, I dunno, mow his lawn or free some slaves or something. I just don't want to help him destroy the Veil. What if we discover good reasons to do something with the Veil? Or would be put in a situation where Veil removal is better than alternative? I'm not saying that exactly this will happen, just that it's a potential possibility.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 10, 2018 0:53:27 GMT
He doesn’t want to destroy the world, he wants to restore the world to what he perceives as a better (but radically different) state. Big disruptive changes always create problems, even if they’re positive in the long term. It's more than big disruptive changes though. Sure he doesn't want to destroy the world, but he implies to get the world he wants, a pretty violent tabula rasa will happen. When talking about his first main plan that went wrong, he says he would reshape the world while Thedas will burn in raw chaos. That sounds pretty apocalyptic. Then when talking about his new plan with the inquisitor, he implies there will be death on a massive scale. He never says to the Inqui (who's in charge of one of the world biggest organisation, and is surrounded by the most skilled people in Southern Thedas) that the change he wants will be bloody but can be stormed. I dislike Solas and his woe-is-me I have to destroy the world oh-the guilt tirades makes me want to strangle him. But I will give him that, he's pretty honest , he never implies for one second what he's doing is good for people in Thedas, there's no rainbow on the other side for them, they will simply die and something new and more to Solas liking is supposed to take their place. I mean, he conceptualizes the elves as destroyed, even though there were clearly survivors. He thinks Wisdom is dead when the Avvars would call it a rebirthing. He thinks a man living a life of leisure on an island, without trying to return to society, has given up on life. His prediction of the world being burned is implied to be kind of... loose. His bar for “truly living” is so dang high that he’d call a disaster an apocalypse long before any normal person would. And if Corypheus is any indication, he severely underestimates how tenaciously modern Thedas can cling to life.
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Post by phoray on Feb 10, 2018 0:55:02 GMT
These mirrors never take you to another world. According to Morrigan "not all paths lead back to our world". At this point, I'm going to assume that unless Flemeth is in her body, she's full of shit. I love the woman, I really do, but she is an idiot.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 10, 2018 1:01:49 GMT
At this point, I'm going to assume that unless Flemeth is in her body, she's full of shit. I love the woman, I really do, but she is an idiot. I think this is usually a pretty safe assumption, but in this case, it was something she said based on experience. I mean, I suppose she could have gone someplace just very different and assumed it was another world. Although, even then, we already know the Veil can be torn in some places and not others, so I'm still not sure the "go someplace else" solution is so easily discarded, even if Morrigan is doing her typical posterior-based discourse. Then again, I don't really assume Solas is the type to relinquish the land that belongs to his people to the inferior slave races anyway. They can just go somewhere else, if they're that desperate not to die, right?
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 10, 2018 1:07:20 GMT
What do you mean? I don't mind helping him, I dunno, mow his lawn or free some slaves or something. I just don't want to help him destroy the Veil. What if we discover good reasons to do something with the Veil? Or would be put in a situation where Veil removal is better than alternative? I'm not saying that exactly this will happen, just that it's a potential possibility. Realistically, it depends on the character I'm playing and how they feel about it. But from a personal perspective, those good reasons would have to be... well, pretty damn good for me to even consider it. Aside from the seemingly inevitable death and destruction, we're not even sure what a Veil-less world would look like. Would it inflict magic on the likes of Sera and Fenris? Would it cause harm to the other races? To elves that aren't of the ancient variety? Who's going to be in charge of this new world?? Maybe it'll be a Legend of Korra Spirit World scenario where that's the way things were meant to be and no one is physically or emotionally harmed but at this point we just don't know and I'm erring on the side of Do Not Want.
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