Patch 1.08 notes and discussion (June 8, 8AM PDT)

Oh my god would you shut up about this already.
Bw was like this from bulder's gate the first rpg they made...and it's now an issue? Sorry but people like you need to understand that Bw is not going to stop doing this and they will make games to try to include as many genders and preferances as they can. And doing so does not effect the story of the plot in anyway. If you don't like it you should of never played Bw games in the first place.

And it made lots of money, meaning Bioware doesn't have to deal with these issues and make money. That's the point. 

not really. You're comparing apples to oranges. It really was the case to do what other are to keep thing simple and make money the bw should just turn me in Call of duty.

As a gay guy myself I can't really tell you how much this means to me, what they're doing here with Jaal. There's a lot more of us than you think, the last gamer poll on sexuality was pretty damn old but a number of gamers were gathered and polled and the results were like 40/60 for LGBT/unsure vs straight. Factor in that ME is one of the only places a gay gamer can go for representation, you'd be really surprised. Not to be rude but you're living in a real bubble if you dont think we're playing these games, a lot of us just dont shout it from the rooftops.

I'd just like to say they're not really enforcing an agenda. They pretty much left us out in that everyone but gay males got a playable, detailed romance arc with someone in the party. I'm not saying it was homophobic, I'm just saying that when you look at all the factors, someone wasn't gonna make the cut and as usual it was gay men. We don't have the benefit that lesbian characters do of where a lot of guys will play a female and romance a woman because they think its hot. If Bioware had an agenda with MEA, then none of this mess would ever have happened. they hurt a lot of us. Not in a a big way, it was a small, subtle kind of hurt. Doesnt stop us buying or enjoying the game but honestly mate. i've spent my whole life a gamer and being forced to play a straight guy in almost every rpg ive ever played. i had to pretend to do that half my real life too, it's... not nice. It wont make sense to you but these little male/male stories are just such a nice little moment where we can take ourselves away after a hard day and just play a game with a romantic sub plot and not feel uncomfortable. These days you just cant have anything gay without everyone saying we're being pandered to. It's actually beyond insulting because this isnt porn or some girl in a bikini on the cover of a car game, you wanna talk pandering... THATS pandering. Bioware is just adding gay people to the melting pot of characters living lives and telling stories.

It's not an agenda to give us that it's just... being decent. Now either im the only gay bloke playing MEA and Bioware is just being really damn nice to me or theres enough demographic research that they know our sales matter. We were upset and they fixed it the only way they could. a playable squadmate. It had to be Jaal because he's the only one that made sense and it was WAY past any chance of getting a new squadmate this late. they'd have had to ship with foundation code on release. No squadmate was THE problem. We got a solution to that problem.


You got so much stuff out there for you. I mean really, i can pick up any comic book, any game, any film and the odds of a heterosexual dominated cast are bloody high. Can you... can you really not just let us have this one? Just ONE company that can try to maintain the level they have up til now? they slipped up with gay men on launch and they 100% made the effort to fix that. C'mon guys, this means jack sh!t to you, just something to complain about on the net that you'll forget in a week but to us it's just a little nod that we exist and we deserve to have what other people have. It's something that stays with us a LONG time and you got no stakes in this beyond irritation that we exist.

FYI clearly you DO have a problem with peoples sexualities when the Jaal thing effects no one but a Scott picking flirt options and you're telling us the quality has lowered.

Well that's one take on it. Not that my point was about the "why" but about the "can" and that goes back to addressing a point someone else made along those lines. *shrug*

Bioware could make games like that and not deal with any of the issues you say they have to and they'll still make money. 

Yeah, the gay agenda. They tried it really hard to please the gay players this time. 2 non-squadmates, CC face, one was made for female before badly modified for male, the other with the shortest romance content, lack of consideration like no confrontation for romancing 2 people like the straight ones or making a trophy gay players could never get. Tell me more about how trying to please gay players while straight guys have 3 full squadmate female romance and 2 off-ship while straight females have 2 straight male squadmates with an off-ship romance made specifically for them first before modified for males. Tell me more about how gay players get preferential treatment please. I'm all ears. Blame the lacklusting content on them focusing on gay romance when there is barely any gay romance in it. Since the game catered to straight players, so if they pull resources away from making the game good, it would be from the straight romance. Your argument doesn't hold here.

no. I'm tired of the same damn ignorant people have the same damn complaints about sexuality agenda with a company been doing gender and sexuality issue in there games for years. They need to get over it or stop buy bw and leave.

at least i get automatic mod for weapons

but i'm not downloading patch yet :|

I can only hope that in patch 1.12 they will include an option where Scott will be able to wear Sara's clothes.

Still crappy running animations, still Sara's creepy smile, still plastered faces on statues.

And the gays will complain about something else now. This is what happens when you try to please someone who is inherently unpleasable.