Patch 1.08 notes and discussion (June 8, 8AM PDT)

Yep, we were having a party in the romance thread and Jaal thread. 

Of course not all of "the gays" are happy since we are not a single-minded entity just like how straight people are not all the same. I know that some Gil's fans are not too happy with the patch.

As one of the gays, I am happy with bi Jaal, but that does not mean that I will not provide more feedback to Bioware. Gil's romance still needs some work as well, but Bioware has done some of us right by making Jaal bi.

ME3 Black Widow has a RoF of 60 rounds per minute, & you could hold the trigger on it for full auto.

Kind of. It had three shots and every shot had crazy recoil even with heavier scope and stabilization card. I went back to the Mantis, because it worked a heck of lot better. One shot, one kill, and back to ducking and reloading. I love the Black Widow though. That's my weapon of choice. I like having those three rounds when a heavy mech or any Krogan took to the field. With the Mantis, you need another heavy weapon to keep those guys I mentioned at bay. When I'm in the collector base, I go with the Mantis. Everywhere else, the Black Widow.

Wouldn't such a fix be conceptually impossible? 

Well, they could have done a patch to make Morrigan and Alistair bi...

But then, there were no complaints about that achievement (that I know of)

Edit:  For that matter, each LI had their own achievement for romancing them.

That still wouldn't let you earn the achievement without either playing both gay and straight characters, or playing both male and female characters.

The problem with the ME:A achievement, remember,  is the lack of symmetry.

I guess, but it's hard to equate the slapped-on, easy-to-avoid content for Jaal to an entire Alternate Ending that may involve rewriting the entire last stretch of the endgame to really work. 

sorry but the mc of Witcher is pure male power fantasy. Not like I have an issue with it (looks at shepard) but I would like to actually make my character then be stuck with only one and being nice or mean.

Did everyone magically forget the fact Bioware said they'd be making improvements to M/M Ryder romances right?

I mean yes, Gil and Reyes could use a bit more work but lmao not like anyone could ignore the fact that not only did Jaal seem like an incomplete bi romance (no genderlock in code, left in fully voiced lines, missing flirt/reject options), but that M/M Ryders had the fewest options in the entire game?

If you were just expecting Gil/Reyes improvements and then NOTHING else you'd have to be out of your minds.

There are options, but the Mass Effect series really isn't based on it's romance options...to a certain degree when you think Mass Effect, you think about sexual alien encounters which light-heartedly pays some small tribute in how Captain Kirk used to romance sexy green aliens, but that wasn't the focus of the series.

If Jaal wasn't meant to be bi then they should have really left it that way and added more interaction and depth to Reyes and Gil. Improvements made to game mechanics (story glitches, better CC, weapon improvements, character animation, character visuals, story enhancements) all should take priority over trivial romance options....

Maybe some here feel the romance option is a major part of the game for them, and that's cool, but for me, i felt the game had more pressing issues that the dev's are currently trying to correct. I guess part of me worries for future games about character development. i don't care about these romance options at all gay/straight..etc...i just don't want this to be the focus of nervously creating games and the dev's having a list of sexual preferences and ethnic groups and checking off that list.

Just make a great game with a good storyline and great character development and everything else will fall into place.....

"Trivial romance options."  Boy oh boy that's a can of worms I don't even want to touch.

Also, you make the blatant assumption that somehow time/money/manpower spent on this means less for everything else...when everything else is still on the list of things to improve upon.  This, the Jaal revisions, are part of their plan to make improvements on the game.  You have this idea that this means less changes to things that need changes.  There's no evidence of that in the slightest.