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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 8:04:11 GMT
I can't believe I read the 29 pages....
I just want to say that I really dislike the 3 romances achievement. Not because of what happened about Jaal, I just dislike it from the start. Why do we have to romance 3 characters for having it when we only had to romance 1 character on the MET ? adding Replay value ? lol not for me... I won't romance characters I don't like, I don't see the fun here, also it's like MEA is just a dating game (wait.... eur... after reading the BSN recently.... maybe it is...). This achievement make me uncomfortable.
And now, since BW seems to listen all the romance complaints.... I'm going to troll a bit!
Make Kandros a romance for straight women ? and I suggest you to make Avitus a gay romance (+ he will be a credible gay romance) so everybody will be happy and won't have to share, as usual, their romances with each others... yes ? no ?
I'm not sure I will even replay this game tbh (or maybe I'll try to recreate a new character with the CC additions... new bald option, seriously? I don't know if I have to cry or laugh.... but the other changes are welcomed), if I do, I won't pick any romance at all, I'm kinda disgusted with all the crazy discussions I read everywhere in the forum (entirely my fault, I know, I shouldn't have read all of this in the first place)... I don't know , the game itself was so full of bugs that half-ruined my experience and my faith in BW and now the discussions here I just.... I don't know. I don't feel I belong to this community anylonger tbh. This is maybe my last post.
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Post by pieszka89 on Jun 8, 2017 8:18:13 GMT
I don't buy that line of reasoning since we know content gets recorded and is never meant to be seen in the game. Its weirder in Jaal's case than normal, but I don't see anything to convince me of something else being up. It's just a feeling some of us got, and not to mention Jaal's romance ended up a bit broken, so something was missing and never fixed either. I know Jaal was not written bi. His romance is for Sara only. That's why they made a new one, but there's hints he was considered bi at one point and his writer has experience with writing a male who was changed from straight to bi, so it just fit. It's all perspective however. I never felt that anything was missing with Jaal as a character. If Bioware wanted to make Jaal Bi they should have do it so at the game release not after 3 months after release. Or if they were not sure they should have delayed the game for those 3 months and release it now not in March. Just see how many things they are still fixing up/needs still to be fixed up properly. I am not afraid that people will start to attack me for my own opinion. Anyone has a right to think what they want. |
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This game is just so full of fail. I use the disk as a coffee coaster now.
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Post by bshep on Jun 8, 2017 8:21:58 GMT
Have to disagree with that. You can roleplay a lot on Witcher. Also having a past is what makes Geralt a very rich character. Apples and Oranges people... you can only be nice or mean with the mc. You can't make him your own character. And a p remade past is irrelivent with role playing a character. It's about the freedom to develop you character, the thing people have issues with ryder and the inquisitor do to them not being allowed to be truly ruthless. You don't really have freedom to develop the character any way you (would) like, you can only do it within the limits allowed by the people creating the game. So I see this type of complain is kind of a moot point. |
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 8, 2017 8:29:37 GMT
you can only be nice or mean with the mc. You can't make him your own character. And a p remade past is irrelivent with role playing a character. It's about the freedom to develop you character, the thing people have issues with ryder and the inquisitor do to them not being allowed to be truly ruthless. You don't really have freedom to develop the character any way you (would) like, you can only do it within the limits allowed by the people creating the game. So I see this type of complain is kind of a moot point. true but a premade character has even less freedom of development. It's gimp in something that is already gimped. |
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I'm sorry but isn't it kinda shitty to judge people like that? Make assumptions about them based on their interests, the way they behave, look, are perceived by others ect? I loved the Witcher 3 and I have no interest in women at all, even if I did that wouldn't be a big factor in whether or not I liked it. I imagine the same could be said for plenty of white hetero cis nerdy guys. Not everyone plays video games for some kind of "imagine if you were this cool guy" experience. Not that I am even saying there is something wrong with that it just seems like a silly thing to assume. Also Witcher 1 is the only one with the sex cards and I am pretty sure that is the only one that wasn't a huge success, at least compared to the other two. sorry but the mc of Witcher is pure male power fantasy. Not like I have an issue with it (looks at shepard) but I would like to actually make my character then be stuck with only one and being nice or mean. This made me chuckle. "Male power fantasy"... Sorry, but I have no fantasies of being judged, hated, spit on and being a freak of nature. Geralt gets shit on by people in that game left and right regardless of what he does. This just goes to show you people can't get past Geralts scruffy good looks and understand he's probably one of the most miserable and down to earth protagonists in gaming. But because he gets to sleep with a few hot(subjectively) girls, he's a "male power fantasy", because that's all men care about right? Because that makes up for all the rest of the shit he goes through? Ugh... I'd argue Scott Ryder/Shepard are far bigger male power fantasies. Especially Scott Ryder who becomes a big baller shot caller 10 minutes into the game even though in reality he's one glorified boy scout who's only dialogue options in the game are varying degrees of niceness. |
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Post by bizantura on Jun 8, 2017 13:18:02 GMT
sorry but the mc of Witcher is pure male power fantasy. Not like I have an issue with it (looks at shepard) but I would like to actually make my character then be stuck with only one and being nice or mean. This made me chuckle. "Male power fantasy"... Sorry, but I have no fantasies of being judged, hated, spit on and being a freak of nature. Geralt gets shit on by people in that game left and right regardless of what he does. This just goes to show you people can't get past Geralts scruffy good looks and understand he's probably one of the most miserable and down to earth protagonists in gaming. But because he gets to sleep with a few hot(subjectively) girls, he's a "male power fantasy", because that's all men care about right? Because that makes up for all the rest of the shit he goes through? Ugh... I'd argue Scott Ryder/Shepard are far bigger male power fantasies. Especially Scott Ryder who becomes a big baller shot caller 10 minutes into the game even though in reality he's one glorified boy scout who's only dialogue options in the game are varying degrees of niceness. I allways laugh my self silly with the "projection" of the promiscuity of Geralt. All of a sudden he is an actual person with free will and not a puppet on strings in a RPG game. Strange that those players with lots of critique on Geralt seem the most voyeuristic orientated. Of course they never played the game, even worse they saw it on youtube. A game one is not interested in is studied vigorously via youtube, yea right!! |
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Post by KLGChaos on Jun 8, 2017 13:30:29 GMT
No fix for everyone having the mumps?
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Post by joglee on Jun 8, 2017 15:22:39 GMT
This game is just so full of fail. I use the disk as a coffee coaster now. So edgy. |
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Post by sdzald on Jun 8, 2017 15:22:59 GMT
I can only hope that in patch 1.12 they will include an option where Scott will be able to wear Sara's clothes.  As much as I got a good laugh at your post, please don't give them any ideas, knowing the Current Bioware/ME team they just might think that is a good idea.  |
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on Jun 8, 2017 15:31:18 GMT
sorry but the mc of Witcher is pure male power fantasy. Not like I have an issue with it (looks at shepard) but I would like to actually make my character then be stuck with only one and being nice or mean. This made me chuckle. "Male power fantasy"... Sorry, but I have no fantasies of being judged, hated, spit on and being a freak of nature. Geralt gets shit on by people in that game left and right regardless of what he does. This just goes to show you people can't get past Geralts scruffy good looks and understand he's probably one of the most miserable and down to earth protagonists in gaming. But because he gets to sleep with a few hot(subjectively) girls, he's a "male power fantasy", because that's all men care about right? Because that makes up for all the rest of the shit he goes through? Ugh... I'd argue Scott Ryder/Shepard are far bigger male power fantasies. Especially Scott Ryder who becomes a big baller shot caller 10 minutes into the game even though in reality he's one glorified boy scout who's only dialogue options in the game are varying degrees of niceness. hes like those emo mary sues that get hated by everyone but are still the most coolest deepest and capable charas.. "fu teh hatorz" and shit like if he'd look like a mutant? but he doenst, he looks gruff and muscular and powerful and as cat eyes-shit a lot of people really like. people hate him because that makes him even cooler, prevailing against the stupidity of the common folk.. don't tell me you never thought everyone else is an idiot, come on, everyone was a teeager once. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 8, 2017 15:44:41 GMT
Shitstorm is coming. Mods, brace for the impact. Honestly, patching major character's sexuality 3 months past release on demand? Now, that's new. Are they really that desperate? Good thing I'm not a Jaalmancer. Not really. Jaal was already coded to be bisexual but BioWare never implemented it (based on data mining). I think it's rather obvious, too, since you couldn't flirt with him. If they had left the flirt option in the game would have proceeded with the romance. Example is with Liam, who Scott can flirt with, but is rejected for being male. They would have been the easy way to go with Jaal, too. Also, as they point out, a same sex romance for Scott could never get the achievement without going for a romance outside of the appropriate gender. That's pretty much a definition of a glitch in need of fixing. (Same in ME2, tbh, but they sorted that out in ME3.) Now, I already have the achievement, because I made Ryder bang everything that moved, but it still didn't make me happy. Given the stellar job BioWare did with Kaidan Alenko in ME3 (who I guess "made sense" in 2012, but wouldn't in 2017) there was no reason not to have a male squadmate that could be romanced by Scott. For the record, I'm unlikely to romance Jaal. Not a fan of the character, but at least the option is present. |
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Shitstorm is coming. Mods, brace for the impact. Honestly, patching major character's sexuality 3 months past release on demand? Now, that's new. Are they really that desperate? Good thing I'm not a Jaalmancer. Not really. Jaal was already coded to be bisexual but BioWare never implemented it (based on data mining). I think it's rather obvious, too, since you couldn't flirt with him. If they had left the flirt option in the game would have proceeded with the romance. Example is with Liam, who Scott can flirt with, but is rejected for being male. They would have been the easy way to go with Jaal, too. Also, as they point out, a same sex romance for Scott could never get the achievement without going for a romance outside of the appropriate gender. That's pretty much a definition of a glitch in need of fixing. (Same in ME2, tbh, but they sorted that out in ME3.) Now, I already have the achievement, because I made Ryder bang everything that moved, but it still didn't make me happy. Given the stellar job BioWare did with Kaidan Alenko in ME3 (who I guess "made sense" in 2012, but wouldn't in 2017) there was no reason not to have a male squadmate that could be romanced by Scott. For the record, I'm unlikely to romance Jaal. Not a fan of the character, but at least the option is present. Also, Jaal talks to Scott in a way that is rather sexual like he does with Sara, as well as the scene at his home with his family teasing him. You can tell it was meant for both Ryders. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 8, 2017 15:51:45 GMT
Probably because Cullen grew up in Ferelden and served at a Mage's Circle most of his life. What kind of women can be mages? Human and Elves. It is only natural that he would be attracted to them over races he has never seen before. And, that's the whole point. How easy and convenient it is to justify the exclusion of options for FEMALE PCs. But do so for a MALE PC... and all storms break lose. A MALE PC is always just right for everyone, apparently. He does not have to comply with the exacting standard on height or weight or appearance or sexuality.
So, apparently it is Okay to pull a marginal lore trick out of one's behind, so that 50% if FEMALE PC are left with the options that either represent a very specific sexuality choices you do have to buy in: (Asexual, BDSM and a Lesbian) or are with a character that killed children in the past.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 8, 2017 15:51:53 GMT
So is the selective comparison to a five year old game  . What does the age of the game have to do with anything? There was something in one game that a lot of people were quite passionate shoudl be changed, but Bioware said "No! Artistic Integrity! You just don't get it!" Then there's something else in this game that a lot of people were passionate should be changed. But this time it was "Yessir! Right away sir! I'm really sorry, we'll do better this time!"  One is not the same as the other, hence apples and oranges. But it again, boils down to what they will or will not change, both in terms of logistics and personal preference of the dev team. For example, since Jaal had flags for a male ryder romance, it was logistically an easy change to make in all liklihood, and one that required small re-writes to accomplish that doesn't effect overall plot by affecting narrative. The other is a major change that affects plot and narrative. Much harder to fully change over. So it's not hypocritical really, as both examples are not the same. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 8, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
Not really. Jaal was already coded to be bisexual but BioWare never implemented it (based on data mining). I think it's rather obvious, too, since you couldn't flirt with him. If they had left the flirt option in the game would have proceeded with the romance. Example is with Liam, who Scott can flirt with, but is rejected for being male. They would have been the easy way to go with Jaal, too. Also, as they point out, a same sex romance for Scott could never get the achievement without going for a romance outside of the appropriate gender. That's pretty much a definition of a glitch in need of fixing. (Same in ME2, tbh, but they sorted that out in ME3.) Now, I already have the achievement, because I made Ryder bang everything that moved, but it still didn't make me happy. Given the stellar job BioWare did with Kaidan Alenko in ME3 (who I guess "made sense" in 2012, but wouldn't in 2017) there was no reason not to have a male squadmate that could be romanced by Scott. For the record, I'm unlikely to romance Jaal. Not a fan of the character, but at least the option is present. Also, Jaal talks to Scott in a way that is rather sexual like he does with Sara, as well as the scene at his home with his family teasing him. You can tell it was meant for both Ryders. I honestly felt the same thing when male Shepard approached Kaidan. Mood lighting, slow approach...same as with Liara and Ashley. The fact that some ambitious modder pulled out all the cut content to make that romance possible shows that BioWare considers these things and then decides to reject them. Hence, Kaidan wasn't "made bi" (the dialogue AND video is present); rather, BioWare chose to cut that and then restored the option later. This is exactly what's happened with Jaal but without taking three games to fix the error. |
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Also, Jaal talks to Scott in a way that is rather sexual like he does with Sara, as well as the scene at his home with his family teasing him. You can tell it was meant for both Ryders. I honestly felt the same thing when male Shepard approached Kaidan. Mood lighting, slow approach...same as with Liara and Ashley. The fact that some ambitious modder pulled out all the cut content to make that romance possible shows that BioWare considers these things and then decides to reject them. Hence, Kaidan wasn't "made bi" (the dialogue AND video is present); rather, BioWare chose to cut that and then restored the option later. This is exactly what's happened with Jaal but without taking three games to fix the error. Yeah and Thane had that vibe as well and we found his cut dialogue too. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 8, 2017 15:59:31 GMT
I honestly felt the same thing when male Shepard approached Kaidan. Mood lighting, slow approach...same as with Liara and Ashley. The fact that some ambitious modder pulled out all the cut content to make that romance possible shows that BioWare considers these things and then decides to reject them. Hence, Kaidan wasn't "made bi" (the dialogue AND video is present); rather, BioWare chose to cut that and then restored the option later. This is exactly what's happened with Jaal but without taking three games to fix the error. Yeah and Thane had that vibe as well and we found his cut dialogue too. Yes. Someone is working to try to restore it. The dialogue is there in ME2 and ME3. |
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Yeah and Thane had that vibe as well and we found his cut dialogue too. Yes. Someone is working to try to restore it. The dialogue is there in ME2 and ME3. Oh wow that's amazing! |
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Post by Iakus on Jun 8, 2017 16:01:22 GMT
What does the age of the game have to do with anything? There was something in one game that a lot of people were quite passionate shoudl be changed, but Bioware said "No! Artistic Integrity! You just don't get it!" Then there's something else in this game that a lot of people were passionate should be changed. But this time it was "Yessir! Right away sir! I'm really sorry, we'll do better this time!" One is not the same as the other, hence apples and oranges. But it again, boils down to what they will or will not change, both in terms of logistics and personal preference of the dev team. For example, since Jaal had flags for a male ryder romance, it was logistically an easy change to make in all liklihood, and one that required small re-writes to accomplish that doesn't effect overall plot by affecting narrative. The other is a major change that affects plot and narrative. Much harder to fully change over. So it's not hypocritical really, as both examples are not the same. That's not the reason they gave, though. They called it "Art", they said we just didn't "get" it, and we needed "clarity". At no point did they say "can't" It was always "won't" |
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Post by sdzald on Jun 8, 2017 16:17:51 GMT
Shitstorm is coming. Mods, brace for the impact. Honestly, patching major character's sexuality 3 months past release on demand? Now, that's new. Are they really that desperate? Good thing I'm not a Jaalmancer. Not really. Jaal was already coded to be bisexual but BioWare never implemented it (based on data mining). I think it's rather obvious, too, since you couldn't flirt with him. If they had left the flirt option in the game would have proceeded with the romance. Example is with Liam, who Scott can flirt with, but is rejected for being male. They would have been the easy way to go with Jaal, too. Also, as they point out, a same sex romance for Scott could never get the achievement without going for a romance outside of the appropriate gender. That's pretty much a definition of a glitch in need of fixing. (Same in ME2, tbh, but they sorted that out in ME3.) Now, I already have the achievement, because I made Ryder bang everything that moved, but it still didn't make me happy. Given the stellar job BioWare did with Kaidan Alenko in ME3 (who I guess "made sense" in 2012, but wouldn't in 2017) there was no reason not to have a male squadmate that could be romanced by Scott. For the record, I'm unlikely to romance Jaal. Not a fan of the character, but at least the option is present. I don't often agree with you but I do in this case. I didn't even know Scott couldn't romance Jaal, in fact I thought it WAS an option until all this fuss over it. Much ado about nothing. With so many other problems this game has it seems silly to make such a fuss over this change. |
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Post by Julale on Jun 8, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
Does anyone know where on the Tempest you can change Ryder's appearance? Med Bay |
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Post by kino on Jun 8, 2017 16:21:33 GMT
Well, the patch has started downloading. Looking forward to this, yes indeed.
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