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Post by Iakus on Jun 9, 2017 19:30:25 GMT
Just curious, are you giving credence to some mild SJW anti-white leanings in the design or do you think it's just more about poor variability in design choice due to human error/oversight? I suppose given how a lot of MEA turned out I can't completely rule out incompetence. They showed with the new preset that they can do a regular Caucasian skin if they want to, just not sure why they chose to cover the entire face in freckles . Was it just a miscalculation or BW giving those that complained the finger? Not sure I can answer that.
I don't however just chalk it up to oversight. A basic normal looking Caucasian skin texture isn't some pie in the sky request or out of the norm thing to have in the video game. Its absence was definitely intentional. SO BE IT!!!!
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Post by KonguZya on Jun 9, 2017 19:34:32 GMT
The only question I have is the X5 Ghost fixed? Meaning can we deconstruct the thing now? I'm not able to play for a couple of days. It has not. You can still only destroy it.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 9, 2017 20:03:34 GMT
....sigh. Is this anti white conspiracy still a thing? Both my Ryders are white and i did not use the base Ryders. Hell Robert is every bit as much white as the default and he used head six. And i know from experience and experimentation you can have other heads be white. This argument is just nonsense.
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Post by mykaeru on Jun 9, 2017 20:04:49 GMT
Does anyone know if when I do facial reconstruction and change my character's preset or complexion, does Alec Ryder's preset change at the same time ? Or does it stay the same ? I am wondering, because my dad had dark skin and I had white skin, which looked like I was adopted. I did not see anything on Google answering my question. Does anybody know ?
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 9, 2017 20:05:05 GMT
I've never really understood why people want an ultra-pale option anyway. I can say from personal experience that it's just really inconvenient.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 9, 2017 20:31:53 GMT
I've never really understood why people want an ultra-pale option anyway. I can say from personal experience that it's just really inconvenient. I don't recall any explicit requests for an "ultra-pale" option. Most people just wanted to be able to make a white person. Bioware are the ones that went all ginger on us.
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Post by jli84 on Jun 9, 2017 20:34:35 GMT
I"m aware of that. I'm talking about the level of ambition on Bioware's part, not about downgrading. Got it. I don't really consider early concepts as equating to design ambitions, but YMMV. Other posts seemed less clear about the nature of the image. It's not just about looks. There's also the face morphing and colour palette for skintones.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 9, 2017 21:02:46 GMT
I've never really understood why people want an ultra-pale option anyway. I can say from personal experience that it's just really inconvenient. It doesn't have to be "ultra-pale", not yellowish or not tan would do pretty nicely. Honestly, that's like saying you don't understand why people want to be able to change hair color or resize facial features. It should be part of the CC. There really is no reason why it shouldn't be, since white people aren't exactly anything exotic or unorthodox. The fact that you can have purple hair but not white skin is ridiculous.
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 9, 2017 21:34:29 GMT
I'd heard these are fixed, That would be cool. If that's the case I just wonder why they didn't mention the SP fixes in any patch note... At the moment I am just interested in Earn your Badge, but I am not going back to the Nexus just to check it. It will have to wait until I have collected some other stuff to do there.. Don't know when I'll get a chance to update or if I even want to, so I would also like to know about Earn Your Badge task. Let me be Andraknor's sister dammit! Earn your Badge is fixed for Sara now, I was finally able to complete it.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 9, 2017 21:39:10 GMT
The fact that you can have purple hair but not white skin is ridiculous. Even just looking at the skin selections is a little ridiculous. There is only 1 white skin and it is covered with freckles. Is it really too much to want another white skin without the freckles considering we have 9 variations for yellow and brown? Apparently the answer is yes considering how little effort went into their " Big CC Update". They added one new skin tone and a slider for complexion, mod'ers literally had already done this 2 months ago. They gave us a 10th preset, but not even a new preset, the heads already existed in game they just weren't available in the CC. Lastly they made the hairstyles usable across gender which likely took someone a minute to click a few check boxes. Pretty disappointing effort when you think about it.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 9, 2017 21:53:26 GMT
The fact that you can have purple hair but not white skin is ridiculous. Even just looking at the skin selections is a little ridiculous. There is only 1 white skin and it is covered with freckles. Is it really too much to want another white skin without the freckles considering we have 9 variations for yellow and brown? Apparently the answer is yes considering how little effort went into their " Big CC Update". They added one new skin tone and a slider for complexion, mod'ers literally had already done this 2 months ago. They gave us a 10th preset, but not even a new preset, the heads already existed in game they just weren't available in the CC. Lastly they made the hairstyles usable across gender which likely took someone a minute to click a few check boxes. Pretty disappointing effort when you think about it. Yeah, I too was expecting something more from the CC "overhaul". And the hairstyles are really disappointing too. The only new thing that they added was the bald head. I was at least expecting they would add the hairstyle that Lani on Ark Hyperion has, but that apparently would have taken too much effort. All in all, very disappointing. This was the one patch that I was kind of excited for, and it's really let me down.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 9, 2017 22:11:02 GMT
Some of you twitter users should hit up the BW folks asking when the bulk of the CC Overhaul is coming.
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Post by pieszka89 on Jun 9, 2017 22:12:03 GMT
Some of you twitter folks should hit up the BW folks asking when the bulk of the CC Overhaul is coming. Not subject relevent but Loving your signature with Leia
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 9, 2017 22:14:06 GMT
Not subject relevent but Loving your signature with Leia Thanks.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Jun 9, 2017 22:17:21 GMT
That doesn't really address my point. I don't care if something is a "male power fantasy" or not. I also prefer creating my own character, the witcher trilogy is about Geralt tho, that's kind of the whole point of it. Cyberpunk2077 will have a character creator, other future CDPR games may also, who knows. Me 1-3 is about Shepard but I hand way more freedom with Shepard's developmentioned which a major counter point to the "Witcher is about geralt" excuse. Geralt is a character from a book series who has a specific look, personality, personal history ect. Shepard wasn't, Shepard was designed to be customiseable so no, not much of a counterpoint at all.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 9, 2017 22:30:48 GMT
PeeBee is not a woman haha, right... Homophobic bullshit. Except Bioware itself has said on multiple occasions that asari are not female bc there race is single-sexed, rendering the concepts of male/female irrelevant. I think it's stupid too, but it doesn't change the fact that it is BW canon that asari are not female or male. Except you know nothing and dont read the codex. They are all-female mono-gendered species, one gender and that gender IS FEMALE. Deal with it.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 9, 2017 23:00:19 GMT
Except Bioware itself has said on multiple occasions that asari are not female bc there race is single-sexed, rendering the concepts of male/female irrelevant. I think it's stupid too, but it doesn't change the fact that it is BW canon that asari are not female or male. Except you know nothing and dont read the codex. They are all-female mono-gendered species, one gender and that gender IS FEMALE. Deal with it. Yup, the concept of "male" and "female" is irrelevant to them only in that "female" is the only asari gender. It's like not having a concept of "blue" because you can't see red or yellow. Blue is still blue, you just have nothing to compare it to.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Jun 9, 2017 23:04:32 GMT
Except Bioware itself has said on multiple occasions that asari are not female bc there race is single-sexed, rendering the concepts of male/female irrelevant. I think it's stupid too, but it doesn't change the fact that it is BW canon that asari are not female or male. Except you know nothing and dont read the codex. They are all-female mono-gendered species, one gender and that gender IS FEMALE. Deal with it. I've seen codex entries that are rendered void in future installments. Whether in the ME universe sari are "female" is up for debate: There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the asari. Asari are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. According to Liara, "male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman." At the same time, asari are often viewed as an all-female race, including by the Codex and by the Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183. To humans at least, asari appear female with breasts and voices that sound female. Even among the asari, many individual asari are referred to as “she” and “her“ but some asari prefer male pronouns, while others gravitate toward gender-neutral where language allows. Asari also bear feminine titles like “huntress” and “matriarch” and asari offspring are referred to as “daughters“, however the asari may have chosen feminine pronouns to simplify language translations.-ME wiki Then there's this conversation in MEA. Asari are female to humans, and turians, and other species that have males and females. I don't think even BW knows what it's doing half the time. Personally, I think the asari are female for all intents and purposes, though I question certain biological functions of asari.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 9, 2017 23:12:17 GMT
Except you know nothing and dont read the codex. They are all-female mono-gendered species, one gender and that gender IS FEMALE. Deal with it. I've seen codex entries that are rendered void in future installments. Whether in the ME universe sari are "female" is up for debate: There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the asari. Asari are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. According to Liara, "male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman." At the same time, asari are often viewed as an all-female race, including by the Codex and by the Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183. To humans at least, asari appear female with breasts and voices that sound female. Even among the asari, many individual asari are referred to as “she” and “her“ but some asari prefer male pronouns, while others gravitate toward gender-neutral where language allows. Asari also bear feminine titles like “huntress” and “matriarch” and asari offspring are referred to as “daughters“, however the asari may have chosen feminine pronouns to simplify language translations.-ME wiki Then there's this conversation in MEA. Asari are female to humans, and turians, and other species that have males and females. I don't think even BW knows what it's doing half the time. Personally, I think the asari are female for all intents and purposes, though I question certain biological functions of asari. *pulls out a dictionary* Very first definition: "Of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs"Asari are all capable of bearing young. Bizarre though their reproductive methods are. I so agree that Bioware doesn't know what they are doing half the time. They can't keep their lore straight at all.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Jun 9, 2017 23:21:30 GMT
I've seen codex entries that are rendered void in future installments. Whether in the ME universe sari are "female" is up for debate: There is some conflicting information regarding the gender of the asari. Asari are a mono-gendered species with no concept of gender differences. According to Liara, "male and female have no real meaning for us," and, if asked, says that she is "not precisely a woman." At the same time, asari are often viewed as an all-female race, including by the Codex and by the Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183. To humans at least, asari appear female with breasts and voices that sound female. Even among the asari, many individual asari are referred to as “she” and “her“ but some asari prefer male pronouns, while others gravitate toward gender-neutral where language allows. Asari also bear feminine titles like “huntress” and “matriarch” and asari offspring are referred to as “daughters“, however the asari may have chosen feminine pronouns to simplify language translations.-ME wiki Then there's this conversation in MEA. Asari are female to humans, and turians, and other species that have males and females. I don't think even BW knows what it's doing half the time. Personally, I think the asari are female for all intents and purposes, though I question certain biological functions of asari. *pulls out a dictionary* Very first definition: "Of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs"Asari are all capable of bearing young. Bizarre though their reproductive methods are. I so agree that Bioware doesn't know what they are doing half the time. They can't keep their lore straight at all. No, I agree that asari biologically kind of function as females. I have questions about other biological functions of asari.
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Post by heathenoxman on Jun 10, 2017 0:05:05 GMT
I've never really understood why people want an ultra-pale option anyway. I can say from personal experience that it's just really inconvenient. I'm so fucking white, I'm transparent. It's ANNOYING. I've literally been asked by a stranger if I was, "One of those albino people." Brown people rock.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 10, 2017 0:12:00 GMT
Got it. I don't really consider early concepts as equating to design ambitions, but YMMV. Other posts seemed less clear about the nature of the image. It's not just about looks. There's also the face morphing and colour palette for skintones. We don't seem to be on the same page. You're equating these "show us your ideas" concept art commissions to developers' design goals. The two aren't remotely the same, at the early stage. Concept art is one of the earlier stages of ideation. That's the entirety of my point. There's no reason to believe that this concept piece was ever even remotely considered as a feasible or worthwhile goal. Short of a developer dropping on and saying such, we'll never know for certain. Putting it into context with the rest of the portfolio, though, this one doesn't seem to have made a deep or lasting impact. Saying, "They should've gone with this," is no more useful than saying, "They should've used concept-Cora's appearance in-game". These are okay opinions; but these pieces were never necessarily in line with what the devs wanted or thought possible. Either way, it's not important. I just wanted to clarify the point I've been trying to express. The concept design would've been cool. Concept art generally is much cooler than the real thing, since it's all about stretching the imagination, without technical limits.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 10, 2017 0:16:08 GMT
The only question I have is the X5 Ghost fixed? Meaning can we deconstruct the thing now? I'm not able to play for a couple of days. It has not. You can still only destroy it. Meh. I'm mildly disappointed. The X5 fixes can be implemented with the next patch, I guess. I'll likely not play the game anytime soon, anyway. Four PTs was more than enough to sate me for a long while.
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Post by melbella on Jun 10, 2017 0:18:34 GMT
So, when did redheads start getting called "gingers" in the internet world? The only place I've ever heard that term in is DAI at the Winter Palace, when the nobles are sizing up the elf kitchen staff. Meaning, in my experience, the term is derogatory and insulting. Why is it a thing now?
(Yes, I have red hair)
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 10, 2017 0:36:24 GMT
So, when did redheads start getting called "gingers" in the internet world? The only place I've ever heard that term in is DAI at the Winter Palace, when the nobles are sizing up the elf kitchen staff. Meaning, in my experience, the term is derogatory and insulting. Why is it a thing now?
(Yes, I have red hair) It's always been a thing, but it gained traction due to South Park. You're correct in that South Park, at least, uses it in a derogatory fashion. They make fun of everyone, though. southpark.cc.com/clips/103645/gingervitus
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